Jab Regret Trend

[T. A. Gardner]

Polio has not morphed into another strain.

Covid continues to enjoy the benefit of millions of unvaccinated individuals to romp and play. Because there is no cure for the common cold, Covid vaccines will be as effective as the annual flu vaccine.

This is just moving the goal posts. What you are claiming now is that the Chinese disease vaccine is no more effective, and possibly less effective, than the one for flu. That puts it in the category of "optional" at best, and I'd say not worth taking until it's safety and efficacy are far better proven and vetted safe. But if you want the shot, fine by me, just don't force it on anyone else.

 

[Althea]

I do a lot of things to make my daughter worry less. She feels like its her job to look after me since her mom died. I hate to see her fret so I go along. Her being a nurse does not help on these sorts of things.

The jab was one of those things. I made sure I got J&J as its not mRNA which is a better option though it too has side effects.

Do I wish I had held off ? Yes, but it doesn't keep me up at night. You just go on.

I do worry about people who did get mRNA (like daughter and son-in-law). She just got over Covid herself (she has had several exposure quarantines but didn't catch till now) so now it worries me more.

J&J had more issues than the mRNA vaccines.

mRNA is extremely safe.

 

[Althea]

See my post #43 for my views on peer reviewed journals here:

LOL

The one where you linked a nutter organization?

 

[Althea]

Most telling is the Israeli physician who when asked what type of pressures made him take the jab despite his reservations, his response was "social and occupational."

I've never had a flu shot. Had the flu once about 25 years ago. The only vaccine I've had since childhood was a tetanus shot and my jaw hurt so badly afterward it felt like it had given me lockjaw. There were red flags to me about the Covid jab from the jump. Any time someone tries to force you to make a decision in haste, it is usually not in your best interest. They don't want you to think it through because you will not do it when logic is applied.

This Israeli is probably the same guy who was touting natural immunity in a study that was eventually debunked by real doctors.

 

[Althea]

I've never claimed to be a doctor, but Vaccine Mania, which I quoted extensively above, was written by 3 medical doctors.



There's actually a diagram in Virus Mania book that I didn't include that shows that Polio was declining long before Polio vaccines. Here it is:

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Diagram 2

Polio death rates began to decline long before major
inoculation campaigns were started

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From 1923 to 1953, long before large-scale polio vaccinations began to be carried out in the mid-1950s, mortalities attributed to polio had already decreased substantially: in the USA by 47 percent; in Great Britain by 55 percent; in other European countries, the statistics are comparable. This diagram was reproduced with permission from the following book: Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective? © Neil Z. Miller. Alle Rechte vorbehalten.
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Source:
Engelbrecht, Torsten; Köhnlein, Claus; Bailey, Samantha; Scoglio, Stefano. Virus Mania (p. 73). Books on Demand. Kindle Edition.

So crippling symptoms aren't important?

 

[Althea]

Yeah. I never got sick with Covid as far as I know. I doubt the vaccine has any adverse effect on me except for the days I was vaccinated.

I think some people just don't get Covid. I've been exposed numerous times, but never got Covid.

I do take Zinc every day, though

 

[Althea]

There's plenty of evidence strongly suggesting that Covid vaccines have killed a great deal of people, nor is this information limited to right wing sources. One of the biggest proponents that Covid vaccines are dangerous is the website Children's Health Defense, which was founded by Robert Kennedy Jr., JFK's nephew and a lifetime democrat.

There are plenty of loons in the Kennedy family. This guy is an anti vaxer, and should not be cited by anyone

 

[Concart]

Someone saying that there is proof of something does not automatically mean that this is so. When someone says that something is proven without actually providing evidence to back up their claim, this is called an unsubstantiated assertion.

I did.

 

[Althea]

In that case, I recommend you check out the following article:

How Covid Vaccines damage the body | brightworkresearch.com

A paper is mentioned in the article regarding the mRNA vaccines. The abstract of the paper can be seen here:
Worse Than the Disease? Reviewing Some Possible Unintended Consequences of the mRNA Vaccines Against COVID-19 | International Journal of Vaccine Theory, Practice and Research

Why do you insist upon linking nutter sites?

 

[Althea]

Saw an interesting article published yesterday on Epoch Times. Unfortunately, it's a premium article, but I'll quote a bit of it...

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Elon Musk Reveals ‘Major Side Effects’ After 2nd COVID Booster

By Allen Zhong

January 21, 2023

Elon Musk said he felt like he “was dying” after his second COVID-19 booster shot.

“I had major side effects from my second booster shot,” the new Twitter boss wrote in a social media post. “Felt like I was dying for several days. Hopefully, no permanent damage, but I don’t know.”

Musk didn’t provide medical records to back his claim. Neither did he say which company’s COVID booster he took.

The Epoch Times can’t verify his claim independently.

Moderna and Pfizer didn’t respond to requests for comments at the time when the article was published.

He took Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine and the first mRNA booster without side effects, Musk said.

Musk posted a string of Twitter posts in response to a post by Rasmussen Reports which is criticizing the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)’s narrative that major side effects after COVID vaccination are “rare.”

Americans Link COVID Vaccines to Mysterious Deaths

A new Rasmussen Reports poll, released on Jan. 2 and based on a representative sample of 1,000 American adults, shows that nearly half of Americans believe that the COVID-19 vaccines probably caused a “significant number of unexplained deaths,” while over a quarter said they personally know someone whose death may have been caused by vaccination side effects.
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Full article:
Elon Musk Reveals ‘Major Side Effects’ After 2nd COVID Booster | The Epoch Times

I would believe anything Jew-Ish Santos says before anything Musk says.

 

[Althea]

No, I'm quoting a fairly well known news source, which was quoting one of the richest men in the world, Elon Musk.

Infowars is well known.

Your point?

 

[Althea]

on every box sold

It's called CYA

 

[Althea]

You are multiple times more likely to die of Covid if you have not been vaxxed. That is called proof.

Hundreds of thousands of people died from the trump virus before the vaccines came to market.

This guy is flailing.

 

[Althea]

Bright Work Research is a conspiracy theorist web sight: https://www.brightworkresearch.com/contact-us/

It referenced the second link titled "Some Possible Unintended Consequences...". Not factual consequences.

I didn't realize Phoenyx is a female?

She's posted nothing but links to nutter sites, and expects to be taken seriously.

 

[Althea]

This is just moving the goal posts. What you are claiming now is that the Chinese disease vaccine is no more effective, and possibly less effective, than the one for flu. That puts it in the category of "optional" at best, and I'd say not worth taking until it's safety and efficacy are far better proven and vetted safe. But if you want the shot, fine by me, just don't force it on anyone else.

It is optional, as the current strains are far more contagious, but much less virulent.

In the early days of the trump virus, every hospital in the nation was eventually full, and had dead bodies out back stacked like cord wood.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I didn't realize Phoenyx is a female?

She's posted nothing but links to nutter sites, and expects to be taken seriously.

She never said. My gut says feminine personality. Maybe he's a Canadian gay? Who can verify yes or no? No one except the person and that claim only goes as far as one trusts them. IMO, things she's posted don't ring true, such as her citizenship, national loyalties or anatomical gender. Like with Ms. Moon, my primary experience is with American males and females from across all the states. I know the level of American masculine/feminine traits. Euros, being weakened from a few thousand years of Caesars, Kings, Popes and Politburos, often have less masculine traits in comparison to American males...and some Ripley-type females.

Still, I could be wrong but if we were wagering, my bet would be 75% chance he is a she....or a Euro.

 

[Scott]

Any article that's open to the public can be reviewed by relevant experts if they so choose. The problem with peer reviewed journals is that viewpoints that they have inherent biases, both for supporting false results that support dominant narratives and quashing unpopular viewpoints. Some articles you might find interesting:

How Bias Is Ruining Scientific Research : If it bleeds (or has a miracle result), it leads | The American Spectator

Peer Review Bias: A Critical Review | sciencedirect.com

See above in regards to peer reviewed journals, but there are plenty of articles that can be reviewed by anyone that show evidence that the Covid vaccines have harmful effects. Here's 2 that were recently published over at Children's Health Defense:

‘Cause Unknown’: Ed Dowd’s Pioneering Exploration of Sudden Deaths After the Rollout of COVID Vaccines | Children's Health Defense

COVID Vaccines Linked to Shingles Reactivation | Children's Health Defense

LOL.
A nutter group founded by an anti vaxer.

Attacking people with ad hominem attacks generally does nothing for a discussion, but is good fuel for flame wars, which is perhaps your aim.

 

[Scott]

I've never claimed to be a doctor, but Vaccine Mania, which I quoted extensively above, was written by 3 medical doctors.

There's actually a diagram in Virus Mania book that I didn't include that shows that Polio was declining long before Polio vaccines. Here it is:

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Diagram 2

Polio death rates began to decline long before major
inoculation campaigns were started

View attachment 24264

From 1923 to 1953, long before large-scale polio vaccinations began to be carried out in the mid-1950s, mortalities attributed to polio had already decreased substantially: in the USA by 47 percent; in Great Britain by 55 percent; in other European countries, the statistics are comparable. This diagram was reproduced with permission from the following book: Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective? © Neil Z. Miller. Alle Rechte vorbehalten.
**

Source:
Engelbrecht, Torsten; Köhnlein, Claus; Bailey, Samantha; Scoglio, Stefano. Virus Mania (p. 73). Books on Demand. Kindle Edition.

So crippling symptoms aren't important?

I'm really not sure where that question is even coming from. The quote from Vaccine Mania that you're responding to shows evidence that polio was declining long before polio vaccines. This strongly suggests that polio vaccines had little if anything to do with the decline of poiio.

 

[Scott]

There's plenty of evidence strongly suggesting that Covid vaccines have killed a great deal of people, nor is this information limited to right wing sources. One of the biggest proponents that Covid vaccines are dangerous is the website Children's Health Defense, which was founded by Robert Kennedy Jr., JFK's nephew and a lifetime democrat.

Here's the summary of an article published on their site on January 10th that I believe provides ample evidence that Covid vaccines are quite dangerous:

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•Americans had lost nearly three years of life expectancy during 2020 and 2021. In 2019, the average life span of Americans of all ethnicities was 78.8 years. By the end of 2020, it had dropped to 77.0 years and by the end of 2021, it was 76.4.

•From 2020 to 2021, death rates increased for each age group 1 year and over. The age groups with the highest increases include working-age adults, 25 to 54 and children under 4.

•The leading causes of death in 2021 were heart disease, cancer and COVID-19, all three of which were higher in 2021 than 2020. Unintentional injury and stroke also significantly increased in 2021.

•Heart disease, stroke and cancer are all now-known side effects of the COVID-19 jabs. Unintentional injuries may also be due to the shots, as you may easily be injured if you pass out or suffer a heart attack or stroke while doing just about anything.

•If the COVID-19 jabs worked, you’d expect excess mortality to drop, yet that’s not what we’re seeing. We’re also not seeing mass death from COVID-19. The only clear factor that might account for these discrepancies is mass injection with an experimental gene transfer technology.
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Source:
Americans Lost 3 Years of Life Expectancy During COVID Pandemic | Children's Health Defense

An interesting passage from the article above:

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Data analysis by The Ethical Skeptic — self-described as a former intelligence officer and strategist — shows cancer deaths are now being mislabeled as COVID-19 deaths.

The suspicion is that this is an effort to hide the fact that the COVID-19 shots have resulted in soaring cancer rates.

Seven of the 11 International Classification of Diseases (ICD) codes tracked by the U.S. National Center for Health Statistics — including cancer — saw sharp upticks starting in the first week of April 2021, which is when large swaths of the American population were getting their first COVID-19 jabs.

According to The Ethical Skeptic’s analysis of U.S. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (MMWR) data, the CDC has been filtering and redesignating cancer deaths as COVID-19 deaths since Week 14 of 2021 to eliminate the cancer signal.
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There are plenty of loons in the Kennedy family.

I have to hand it to you- in a single sentence, you manage to segue from a discussion involving evidence for a given position into great material for a flame war, attacking the messenger rather than the message and addressing absolutely none of the evidence I provided for my own position.

 

[Scott]

Someone saying that there is proof of something does not automatically mean that this is so. When someone says that something is proven without actually providing evidence to back up their claim, this is called an unsubstantiated assertion.

I did.

In your imagination perhaps.