Jamal Khashoggi : Should Trump complete US arms sale to Saudi's?

[sear]

Jamal Khashoggi : Should Trump complete US arms sale to Saudi's?

President Trump is right.
Withdrawing from the U.S. arms sale to Saudi Arabia would hurt U.S. business & labor.

Senate foreign relations committee member Rand Paul (R-KY) is also correct that if we do not punish this hideous crime, we can expect more of the same for a generation.

Which is more important to the U.S.?
- Business as usual? Or

- our enduring principles of not dismembering U.S. journalists for promoting issues frowned upon by the Saudi royal family?

Should Trump withdraw the U.S. from the $multi-$billion $dollar Saudi arms deal?

 

[moon]

Trump is an immoral asshole . He probably doesn't know- or care- what the weapons intended for the degenerate Saudis are for.

No- America should not sell weapons to brutal murderers- but that was yesterday's America. Now the White House is gang headquarters.

 

[sear]

m #2

Your comment bears the superficial appearance of conventional political hyperbole. But in this extraordinary Trump era ...

 

[kudzu]

Trump is an immoral asshole . He probably doesn't know- or care- what the weapons intended for the degenerate Saudis are for.

No- America should not sell weapons to brutal murderers- but that was yesterday's America. Now the White House is gang headquarters.

America has ALWAYS sold weapons.

 

[moon]

To continue to ply murderers with weapons for the sake of ' jobs ' is gang mentality. ' It ain't personal- it's business ' as the saying goes. Trump is a mobster.

 

[sear]

"America has ALWAYS sold weapons." k #4

Yes, the U.S. has been a good & faithful NATO member nation.

BUT !!

Not every U.S. business partner dismembers living journalists over editorial differences.

 

[Jack]

Jamal Khashoggi : Should Trump complete US arms sale to Saudi's?

President Trump is right.
Withdrawing from the U.S. arms sale to Saudi Arabia would hurt U.S. business & labor.

Senate foreign relations committee member Rand Paul (R-KY) is also correct that if we do not punish this hideous crime, we can expect more of the same for a generation.

Which is more important to the U.S.?
- Business as usual? Or

- our enduring principles of not dismembering U.S. journalists for promoting issues frowned upon by the Saudi royal family?

Should Trump withdraw the U.S. from the $multi-$billion $dollar Saudi arms deal?

Good Question. Tough answer. They say if we don't sell the Saudis weapons, the Chinese and Russians will. Maybe sell them weapons, but withdraw from any military support, like in Yemen. Just look at Saudi as a 'Vital Interest' ... but no longer a 'Friend'.

 

[Jack]

Yes, the U.S. has been a good & faithful NATO member nation.

BUT !!

Not every U.S. business partner dismembers living journalists over editorial differences.

They've now moved into the Russian, Chinese, North Korean model of disrespect for the Individual.

 

[kudzu]

Yes, the U.S. has been a good & faithful NATO member nation.

BUT !!

Not every U.S. business partner dismembers living journalists over editorial differences.

He wasn't dismembered.. That's pure Erdogan.

 

[moon]

The US once owned the arms manufacturing base in that its factories and shipyards produced materials for the US military.
Private arms companies have corrupted that policy so that legislation to sell to foreign powers is a given.
The ' Nixon Doctrine' opened the floodgates of arms sales to the world- and so today the US is largely responsible for arming both sides of any conflict for wars which it sometimes starts itself.
War is for jobs, right Don ?

 

[Adolf_Twitler]

I think the most important question today is- Do we want to continue to reward bad behavior?

For every ultimatum facing us today, and before I answer any political question asked of me, I have to answer the more important question first!

Because my answer is NO! I do not believe in rewarding bad behavior. We have to be honest with our children. Otherwise, we will never be able to expect them to be honest with us or even be honest with themselves.

So, the right question is do we want to reward Saudi Arabia for their bad behavior- in this case, brutally torturing a Journalist to death, and covering it up because they wanted to kill the messenger because the Saudi's didn't like the message of truth he was sending.

If we don't stand up for protecting the lives of the innocent and protecting the people's right to express their opinions in other countries, and allow people to be killed for expressing their opinions, we will soon be witness to the same thing happening right here in our own country.

So this is a test of what we want for ourselves right here in America!

So, while visiting the voter's booth, just ask yourself, "Do you really want to reward bad behavior"? Because this tipping point is just where we are at!

 

[Darth Omar]

Good Question. Tough answer. They say if we don't sell the Saudis weapons, the Chinese and Russians will. Maybe sell them weapons, but withdraw from any military support, like in Yemen. Just look at Saudi as a 'Vital Interest' ... but no longer a 'Friend'.

Bingo on the problem.

If we don’t sell them arms Russia or China will. Do we pull the trigger on that over a single murder?

And isn’t empowering the Russians always a bad thing lol?

 

[sear]

" if we don't sell the Saudis weapons, the Chinese and Russians will. " J #7

Thanks much for mentioning this. I should have included it in the lead.

So how do we split that baby?

By selling the Saudis U.S. arms they're dependent on U.S. for repair parts, & other supplies.

But when the Saudis saw how the U.S. tossed Egypt's Mubarak over the side, the Saudis were quick to solidify ties with Russia.

Complicating matters further, the U.S. has issues with Iran.
But Iran and Saudi Arabia are bitter enemies.

Yikes! Middle East poltics!

 

[Darth Omar]

Yes, the U.S. has been a good & faithful NATO member nation.

BUT !!

Not every U.S. business partner dismembers living journalists over editorial differences.

Why would anyone do that?

Especially, when it’s a high risk of getting caught.

 

[sear]

DO #14

The motives aren't mysterious. Those familiar with the excesses of the Saudi royal family understand.

The risk of getting caught might have seemed virtual zero. Embassies and consulates are typically regarded in law and treated by governments as the sovereign territory of the nations they represent, not the nations they're built on.

Reports I've read of it indicate the crime might have gone unsolved, were it not for an open microphone / transmitter Khashoggi wore, that relayed audio of events to a cell-phone outside.

Though the thugs that performed the operation were brutal, they apparently were not particularly tech s a v v y. Their ignorance is a huge embarrassment to their Saudi rulers.

 

[kudzu]

DO #14

The motives aren't mysterious. Those familiar with the excesses of the Saudi royal family understand.

The risk of getting caught might have seemed virtual zero. Embassies and consulates are typically regarded in law and treated by governments as the sovereign territory of the nations they represent, not the nations they're built on.

Reports I've read of it indicate the crime might have gone unsolved, were it not for an open microphone / transmitter Khashoggi wore, that relayed audio of events to a cell-phone outside.

Though the thugs that performed the operation were brutal, they apparently were not particularly tech s a v v y. Their ignorance is a huge embarrassment to their Saudi rulers.

I don't think you are familiar with the Sudeiri Seven at all.

 

[Darth Omar]

DO #14

The motives aren't mysterious. Those familiar with the excesses of the Saudi royal family understand.

The risk of getting caught might have seemed virtual zero. Embassies and consulates are typically regarded in law and treated by governments as the sovereign territory of the nations they represent, not the nations they're built on.

Reports I've read of it indicate the crime might have gone unsolved, were it not for an open microphone / transmitter Khashoggi wore, that relayed audio of events to a cell-phone outside.

Though the thugs that performed the operation were brutal, they apparently were not particularly tech s a v v y. Their ignorance is a huge embarrassment to their Saudi rulers.

It was high risk if only because Khashoggi would have been last seen going into the consulate.

And they didn’t ‘cut him up while he was alive’ that’s impossible. He was killed then dismembered.

But the point is it makes no sense to involve 15 people in an assassination when it only takes one to do the job. Who knows how many terrorists the Saudis could have hired—from outside their government, to murder Khashoggi if they wanted rid of him. They could have easily made it look like a murder-robbery.

Makes no sense. Or maybe they’re just stupid, who knows.

 

[Getin the ring]

I think the most important question today is- Do we want to continue to reward bad behavior?

For every ultimatum facing us today, and before I answer any political question asked of me, I have to answer the more important question first!

Because my answer is NO! I do not believe in rewarding bad behavior. We have to be honest with our children. Otherwise, we will never be able to expect them to be honest with us or even be honest with themselves.

So, the right question is do we want to reward Saudi Arabia for their bad behavior- in this case, brutally torturing a Journalist to death, and covering it up because they wanted to kill the messenger because the Saudi's didn't like the message of truth he was sending.

If we don't stand up for protecting the lives of the innocent and protecting the people's right to express their opinions in other countries, and allow people to be killed for expressing their opinions, we will soon be witness to the same thing happening right here in our own country.

So this is a test of what we want for ourselves right here in America!

So, while visiting the voter's booth, just ask yourself, "Do you really want to reward bad behavior"? Because this tipping point is just where we are at![/

you got that right, the tipping point is right where YOU are at, before going full bat $hit crazy.

your compassion for this journalist is about as sincere as your wish for civility.

give it a rest.

Look, this issue with an Obama or a Clinton administration residing would be water under the bridge by now, the nut-bags have found a way to turn another countries immoral conduct into another Trump is bad moment. Kind of transparent, as usual

 

[kudzu]

It was high risk if only because Khashoggi would have been last seen going into the consulate.

And they didn’t ‘cut him up while he was alive’ that’s impossible. He was killed then dismembered.

But the point is it makes no sense to involve 15 people in an assassination when it only takes one to do the job. Who knows how many terrorists the Saudis could have hired—from outside their government, to murder Khashoggi if they wanted rid of him. They could have easily made it look like a murder-robbery.

Makes no sense. Or maybe they’re just stupid, who knows.

Even if Khashoggi's death was an accident and I think it was ... it was a horrible mistake.. And, there is a great deal at stake.. Kashoggi is the spokesperson for MORE Arab Spring.. and that is NOT the way forward for the Gulf states.

 

[Darth Omar]

Even if Khashoggi's death was an accident and I think it was ... it was a horrible mistake.. And, there is a great deal at stake.. Kashoggi is the spokesperson for MORE Arab Spring.. and that is NOT the way forward for the Gulf states.

I’m officially not sure of the facts lol.

But I am sure things aren’t adding up.