JD Vance's ex-Marine cousin takes flamethrower to the VP's ass....

Nothing to do with the abysmal way trump and the couch-fucker treated Zelinsky in the oval office.
And still no answer. So, my best guess is in your mind you will find "End to war = Bad".

Personally I think that an end to the war with an agreement with the US that ensures our interest and participation in the region and therefore ensures Ukraine's security will be a good thing.

Do I think there were better ways than getting in a public argument with Zelenskyy in the Oval office to do this? Yeah, I do. Though I also think that is the deal we'll wind up with. The rare earth deal ensures US interest and participation and that interest and participation ensures Ukraine's security.
 
And still no answer. So, my best guess is in your mind you will find "End to war = Bad".

Personally I think that an end to the war with an agreement with the US that ensures our interest and participation in the region and therefore ensures Ukraine's security will be a good thing.

Do I think there were better ways than getting in a public argument with Zelenskyy in the Oval office to do this? Yeah, I do. Though I also think that is the deal we'll wind up with. The rare earth deal ensures US interest and participation and that interest and participation ensures Ukraine's security.
There is no end. Putin can end it by stopping the attack on peaceful neighbors. He will not do it without getting part of Ukraine. If he gets that, it delays his war plans for a while. He is an expansionist Russian. he will be back for more.
 
There is no end. Putin can end it by stopping the attack on peaceful neighbors. He will not do it without getting part of Ukraine. If he gets that, it delays his war plans for a while. He is an expansionist Russian. he will be back for more.
MAGAts trust Putin because their Orange Jesus tells them to trust him.
 
And still no answer. So, my best guess is in your mind you will find "End to war = Bad".

Personally I think that an end to the war with an agreement with the US that ensures our interest and participation in the region and therefore ensures Ukraine's security will be a good thing.

Do I think there were better ways than getting in a public argument with Zelenskyy in the Oval office to do this? Yeah, I do. Though I also think that is the deal we'll wind up with. The rare earth deal ensures US interest and participation and that interest and participation ensures Ukraine's security.
<smh> No one is saying ending the war is bad. I'm glad we both agree the way trump genuflects to Putin and attacks Zelenskyy is a clown show - especially when trump and the couch-fucker accuse Zelenskyy of being responsible for Russia's invasion.
 
Think Chamberlain and his "just the sudetenland" and then "just poland"
I will point out that Chamberlain declared war on Germany for invading Poland, so by definition did not say "just Poland."

I do take your point, but I do not think you understand it. trump is following the early Chamberlain example of trying to use appeasement to get peace. The problem is Hitler and Putin will keep making more demands until we have a world war.
 
I will point out that Chamberlain declared war on Germany for invading Poland, so by definition did not say "just Poland."

I do take your point, but I do not think you understand it. trump is following the early Chamberlain example of trying to use appeasement to get peace. The problem is Hitler and Putin will keep making more demands until we have a world war.
Sure, I should have said, "just Austria"... in Chamberlain's case, however the USSR and Germany had a pact that allowed them to take their half of Poland while the Soviets took the other half... Appeasement in Poland was declaring against Germany, but not against the Soviet Union... Chamberlain was still appeasing, it was in his nature.

In this case the invasion took place during someone else's tenure, negotiating a cease fire and then peace with includes cementing US interest in Ukraine will ensure our participation in their security. This isn't the same thing as "appeasement" and doesn't just ignore the other participants. While Putin may "want" to do what you say, just as NATO has him stopped from pressing into Europe, so too will US involvement in Ukraine end that path of incursion.

If you want to know what appeasement looks like, look at the Crimean Peninsula, not to someone seeking to end a war while actually providing security to Ukraine.
 
BREAKING: JD Vance’s own cousin takes a flamethrower to what’s left of his reputation — says that he’s “disappointed” in him for twisting America into “Vladimir Putin’s useful idiots.”

And the cousin, who fought in Ukraine, wasn’t done there…

“Being your family doesn’t mean I’m going to accept you killing my comrades,” Nate Vance, a former Marine said in an interview with Le Figaro.

A Texan, he revealed that he volunteered and fought in Ukraine against the Russians on the front lines for three years.

He and JD share grandparents and even vacationed together in the past. Nate stated that he has tried to contact JD but has not received a response.

He slammed Donald Trump and the vice president for betraying Ukraine by attacking Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in the Oval Office and then cutting off military aid and intelligence sharing to Ukraine.

“When [JD Vance] criticized aid to Ukraine, I thought it was because he needed to appeal to his electorate, that it was part of the political game,” Nate Vance stated in an interview with Le Figaro. “But what they did to Zelensky was an ambush of absolute dishonesty.”

“Donald Trump and my cousin clearly think they can placate Vladimir Putin,” he added. “They are wrong. The Russians are not about to forget our support for Ukraine. We are Vladimir Putin’s useful idiots.”


It’s nice to see that at least one member of the Vance family is standing firmly on the right side of history. JD and Trump will go down as cowards and traitors of the worst sort.

The Vances are a classic Jerry Springer Show family. :laugh:
 
It will be interesting to see if the left is still insisting that it was bad when there is a deal signed that brings peace to Ukraine.

Sure depends on the terms, doesn't it? If peace involves handing a good part of Ukraine over to Putin, then you can bet your bippy "the Left" will think it's a shitty deal for Ukraine.
 
Sure depends on the terms, doesn't it? If peace involves handing a good part of Ukraine over to Putin, then you can bet your bippy "the Left" will think it's a shitty deal for Ukraine.
I don't know if it does depend on that from what I have seen here. What I have seen here makes it seem that everyone on the left is insisting that any end to the war would be "appeasement"... The same folks who continued to support Obama after his weak response after Russia took the Crimean Peninsula are now panicking over someone else signing a deal that creates US interest in the region and ensures US participation and by extension security for Ukraine...
 
I don't know if it does depend on that from what I have seen here. What I have seen here makes it seem that everyone on the left is insisting that any end to the war would be "appeasement"... The same folks who continued to support Obama after his weak response after Russia took the Crimean Peninsula are now panicking over someone else signing a deal that creates US interest in the region and ensures US participation and by extension security for Ukraine...

The only panic I see is you MAGATs and your desperation to paint the corrupt #Felon47 as some sort of Jimmy Carter-like peacemaker. He's anything but. Tell us this: If there's a peace deal where Russia withdraws and Ukraine signs over mineral rights to the U.S. in exchange for security, what's in that deal for Russia? Do you think that the country should be carved up to give them parts? Why?

Russians believe that Ukraine is the birthplace of their nation and want it back under Kremlin's control. The "Zelenskyy is a Nazi" is just Putin bullshit. (His family had relatives killed in the Nazi camps.) Are you in favor of our military personnel being sent there to provide that security? Or will the U.S. govt. be paying mercenaries like Blackwater or Halliburton to do it?
 
The only panic I see is you MAGATs and your desperation to paint the corrupt #Felon47 as some sort of Jimmy Carter-like peacemaker. He's anything but. Tell us this: If there's a peace deal where Russia withdraws and Ukraine signs over mineral rights to the U.S. in exchange for security, what's in that deal for Russia? Do you think that the country should be carved up to give them parts? Why?

Russians believe that Ukraine is the birthplace of their nation and want it back under Kremlin's control. The "Zelenskyy is a Nazi" is just Putin bullshit. (His family had relatives killed in the Nazi camps.) Are you in favor of our military personnel being sent there to provide that security? Or will the U.S. govt. be paying mercenaries like Blackwater or Halliburton to do it?
You didn't seem to care that it was carved into parts in 2014, never suggested it was "appeasement" though Russia maintained control of Crimea and the saber rattling came to nothing.

However, what I see most likely, if we get them to leave, the incentive for Russia would be a guarantee that while we had interest there and would have involvement, we would also not let them join NATO which Russia sees as expansion.
 
It will be interesting to see if the left is still insisting that it was bad when there is a deal signed that brings peace to Ukraine.
That's coming. Possibly before April. Pretty sure Rubio went to Russia last night.
The West lied to Russia about expanding NATO a bunch of times.
Ukraine needs to not be NATO. Meanwhile the EU is trying to gin up WW3 with weapons, assets, and soldiers they don't have,
and they have massive amounts of muslims in their countries replacing the populations.
 
He did indeed... actually negotiate an end. The leftists' brainless hero didn't "botch" it, he f*cked that so hard and fast there was no recovery.

He desperately retreated instead of pulling out, leaving behind billions in equipment, our allies in the region, and large numbers of Americans while brown people dripped from airplanes to their death. He then appeased Iran, who immediately began funding terrorism in the region and showed weakness to Putin who began to deploy troops to the border of Ukraine within months afterward. If he wasn't purposefully trying to start wars in the ME and working to embolden Putin his actions certainly didn't indicate otherwise...

But hey... . "More desperate escape flights than ever before" happened so... what a "win" that was....
The figure on the equipment left behind is an exaggeration. Many are useless.
 
You didn't seem to care that it was carved into parts in 2014, never suggested it was "appeasement" though Russia maintained control of Crimea and the saber rattling came to nothing.

However, what I see most likely, if we get them to leave, the incentive for Russia would be a guarantee that while we had interest there and would have involvement, we would also not let them join NATO which Russia sees as expansion.

I wasn't on this board in 2014 so you have no idea what my POV on Crimea was.

The NATO thing -- I don't know about that. From what the #BloviatingBully says, we may not be members ourselves soon. So how can we negotiate another nation's membership? Russia greatly fears NATO, as well it should. Do YOU think we should remove ourselves from it?
 
The figure on the equipment left behind is an exaggeration. Many are useless.
That's a winning argument there for you. It has about the same impact as the "more desperate escape flights than ever before" as a reason for us to cheer. It was a debacle in every way, he didn't listen to Generals, insisted on a specific time and abandoned people, equipment, and folks literally dripped from our desperate escape flights to their deaths on the Tarmac. Pat yourself on the back for "it wasn't worth the billions it cost to create that abandoned equipment"... <SMH>

Your braindead hero sucked at every single thing he did in foreign relations, every action he took led to the invasion in Ukraine and the funding of Hamas and attacks in the ME, his weakness destroyed real lives.
 
I wasn't on this board in 2014 so you have no idea what my POV on Crimea was.

The NATO thing -- I don't know about that. From what the #BloviatingBully says, we may not be members ourselves soon. So how can we negotiate another nation's membership? Russia greatly fears NATO, as well it should. Do YOU think we should remove ourselves from it?
I know that you have never suggested that anything that Obama has done was in any way bad. Tell me what your opinion was on his appeasement. I do not think we should or will remove ourselves from NATO. And yes, I am certain that Ukraine membership in NATO will be on the table in these discussions, such an agreement would have to involve more than just one NATO nation though.
 
I know that you have never suggested that anything that Obama has done was in any way bad. Tell me what your opinion was on his appeasement. I do not think we should or will remove ourselves from NATO. And yes, I am certain that Ukraine membership in NATO will be on the table in these discussions, such an agreement would have to involve more than just one NATO nation though.
No NATO for Ukraine. All counties around Ukraine are, so..
 
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