Jesse Jackson: Trayvon Martin Case Evidence Blacks Are Under Attack

[USFREEDOM911]

Call the police on them, it is their job.

And by the time that they show up................................what?

 

[Don Quixote]

I don't think that flipping a shirt at someone's windshield, in traffic,is "foolish".
What do you think could have maybe happened to someone who wasn't prepared for it?
Maybe turning the wheel and slamming into the car next to them.
Mayybe slamming on the brakes and getting rear ended?
etc.

maybe that is what they were hoping for...so lets draw and quarter them

what would you suggest, the police will not do anything about it, vigilante justice

 

[USFREEDOM911]

maybe that is what they were hoping for...so lets draw and quarter them

what would you suggest, the police will not do anything about it, vigilante justice

That's it Don.
Just jump from one extreme to the other.

Where did I say anything about "draw and quarter"?

What makes you so sure that the Police would even locate them and even put much effort into it, seeing as how nothing was damaged?

 

[Don Quixote]

That's it Don.
Just jump from one extreme to the other.

Where did I say anything about "draw and quarter"?

What makes you so sure that the Police would even locate them and even put much effort into it, seeing as how nothing was damaged?

just a bit of hyperbole due to bad news on the home front, sorry

 

[USFREEDOM911]

just a bit of hyperbole due to bad news on the home front, sorry

Got ya.

 

[Disillusioned]

the shooter was neither interrogated nor physically examined - why not

a claim of self defense is thin when the other person was unarmed

besides, at a minimum, it would have determined if the shooter was impaired in any way and if the shooter was assaulted

however, to date, the most damning thing is that the shooter appears to have chosen to engage the victim rather than let the police handle the situation

walking while black wearing a hoodie is no excuse for being shot even if in your own mind you are scared to death by the person, which is just one of the problems of the 'stand your ground' law

however, the shooter's attorney is saying that he is staying with the self defense defense so for now the law does not obtain in this case

why did not the police do more than make a superficial investigation of the shooter

Ok, I'm first going to address my knowledge of the event and the surrounding laws, then I'll state my opinion.

In Florida, along with other states, there is a "stand your ground" law, which states that if you feel you are in danger and a crime is being committed against you, you are allowed to use deadly force. There is some legal precedent on his side. That's what Zimmerman is going on, he claims he was being attacked and the shooting was self defense. Zimmerman is a 26 year old cop wannabe, he consistently called 911, was the head of the neighborhood watch and often provoked incidents with "criminals" he previously also had an arrest, though no conviction, for domestic violence, this was not a stable man.

I don't think this was a racially motivated attack, though I do think that the kid being black didn't help, I think zimmerman saw something strait out of cops and decided it was time to play john wayne. I think he will be convicted, but it shouldn't be rushed, he deserves to go away, as things stand, and letting him get out because everyone was howling for blood and wanted to get him through fast.

Response to your "why didn't the police investigate more?" because manpower is normally limited, and cases that look like dead ends, especially in stations run by number of cases closed, tend to push the ones they can win. This is a bureaucracy guys, and people want good numbers when the inspector comes through looking for people to fire.

 

[Airstrip One]

The fun little tidbit about Dung's reaction to Yurt's statistics is that attitudes like this ensure that absolutely nothing will change for blacks in the forseeable future. Nothing will improve, circumstances will remain exactly as they are now. This will, of course, have no impact on the lives of him and I, being that we are white dudes. Basically, it's game on with political correctness, and victory for the status quo.

 

[Guns Guns Guns]

Ok, I'm first going to address my knowledge of the event and the surrounding laws, then I'll state my opinion. In Florida, along with other states, there is a "stand your ground" law, which states that if you feel you are in danger and a crime is being committed against you, you are allowed to use deadly force. There is some legal precedent on his side. That's what Zimmerman is going on, he claims he was being attacked and the shooting was self defense. Zimmerman is a 26 year old cop wannabe, he consistently called 911, was the head of the neighborhood watch and often provoked incidents with "criminals" he previously also had an arrest, though no conviction, for domestic violence, this was not a stable man. I don't think this was a racially motivated attack, though I do think that the kid being black didn't help, I think zimmerman saw something strait out of cops and decided it was time to play john wayne. I think he will be convicted, but it shouldn't be rushed, he deserves to go away, as things stand, and letting him get out because everyone was howling for blood and wanted to get him through fast. Response to your "why didn't the police investigate more?" because manpower is normally limited, and cases that look like dead ends, especially in stations run by number of cases closed, tend to push the ones they can win. This is a bureaucracy guys, and people want good numbers when the inspector comes through looking for people to fire.

Excellent points. Consider whether the law in question applies.


The authors of Florida's controversial "stand your ground" self-defense law say George Zimmerman should probably be arrested for shooting Trayvon Martin..."He has no protection under my law," former Sen. Durell Peaden told a newspaper.

Florida's law, called "stand your ground" by supporters and "shoot first" by critics, was passed in 2005 and permits residents to use deadly force if they "reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

Traditionally, self-defense laws did not typically extend beyond a person's home, but the Florida law, and at least 20 more passed across the country since them, allows a resident to "meet force with force" almost anywhere, including the street or a bar.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57401619-504083/author-of-stand-your-ground-law-george-zimmerman-should-probably-be-arrested-for-killing-trayvon-martin/

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Ok, I'm first going to address my knowledge of the event and the surrounding laws, then I'll state my opinion.

In Florida, along with other states, there is a "stand your ground" law, which states that if you feel you are in danger and a crime is being committed against you, you are allowed to use deadly force. There is some legal precedent on his side. That's what Zimmerman is going on, he claims he was being attacked and the shooting was self defense. Zimmerman is a 26 year old cop wannabe, he consistently called 911, was the head of the neighborhood watch and often provoked incidents with "criminals" he previously also had an arrest, though no conviction, for domestic violence, this was not a stable man.

I don't think this was a racially motivated attack, though I do think that the kid being black didn't help, I think zimmerman saw something strait out of cops and decided it was time to play john wayne. I think he will be convicted, but it shouldn't be rushed, he deserves to go away, as things stand, and letting him get out because everyone was howling for blood and wanted to get him through fast.

Response to your "why didn't the police investigate more?" because manpower is normally limited, and cases that look like dead ends, especially in stations run by number of cases closed, tend to push the ones they can win. This is a bureaucracy guys, and people want good numbers when the inspector comes through looking for people to fire.

I think I agree with this.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

From all I've read on this from the day after it happened, Zimmerman was wrong in so many ways. He had a gun. He failed to stop following after the dispatcher told him to, when he reported to police his 'suspect.' It should be enough for a grand jury, once he's charged.

However, he did sustain injuries from some sources:

Would he if he'd followed the dispatcher's advice? Unlikely. That's what the idea of grand jury and a trial are about.

I do not disagree with most of the above, but Zimmerman was not 'wrong' simply for having a gun. He was wrong for getting out of his car. For initiating a confrontation by doing so.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Ok, I'm first going to address my knowledge of the event and the surrounding laws, then I'll state my opinion.

In Florida, along with other states, there is a "stand your ground" law, which states that if you feel you are in danger and a crime is being committed against you, you are allowed to use deadly force. There is some legal precedent on his side. That's what Zimmerman is going on, he claims he was being attacked and the shooting was self defense. Zimmerman is a 26 year old cop wannabe, he consistently called 911, was the head of the neighborhood watch and often provoked incidents with "criminals" he previously also had an arrest, though no conviction, for domestic violence, this was not a stable man.

He consistently called 911 as a part of the neighborhood watch. He also apparently had apprehended a burglar while on watch. The neighborhood had been seeing an uptick in crimes. Saying he wasn't stable is pure conjecture on your part in an attempt to flame.

 

[Damocles]

I do not disagree with most of the above, but Zimmerman was not 'wrong' simply for having a gun. He was wrong for getting out of his car. For initiating a confrontation by doing so.

Being armed is also against the Neighborhood Watch Programs stated rules. Had he followed those rules none of these things would have happened.

I can see how frustration with people robbing houses in his area constantly and getting away with it can cause him to take extra steps and to do stupid things, like confronting what you believe to be a criminal and going armed. I also can't see it letting him off the hook for what I see as foolishness gone awry, or in more legal terms negligent homicide. I understand others on the board think that is a "weak" charge, but it is what I think will be brought.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Being armed is also against the Neighborhood Watch Programs stated rules. Had he followed those rules none of these things would have happened.

I can see how frustration with people robbing houses in his area constantly and getting away with it can cause him to take extra steps and to do stupid things, like confronting what you believe to be a criminal and going armed. I also can't see it letting him off the hook for what I see as foolishness gone awry, or in more legal terms negligent homicide. I understand others on the board think that is a "weak" charge, but it is what I think will be brought.

Then I stand corrected on the being wrong for having a gun. I was going by State law and not the Watch's rules.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Being armed is also against the Neighborhood Watch Programs stated rules. Had he followed those rules none of these things would have happened.

I can see how frustration with people robbing houses in his area constantly and getting away with it can cause him to take extra steps and to do stupid things, like confronting what you believe to be a criminal and going armed. I also can't see it letting him off the hook for what I see as foolishness gone awry, or in more legal terms negligent homicide. I understand others on the board think that is a "weak" charge, but it is what I think will be brought.

We both posted an interpretation of negligent homicide.
I asked you if you could post where your definition came from and haven't heard a reply.

 

[Disillusioned]

He consistently called 911 as a part of the neighborhood watch. He also apparently had apprehended a burglar while on watch. The neighborhood had been seeing an uptick in crimes. Saying he wasn't stable is pure conjecture on your part in an attempt to flame.

It's supported conjecture. He was wandering around looking for a "crime to stop" when he couldn't get into the police force, he was a croninc 911 caller, arrested for domestic violence, and yet we gave him a gun. The sad thing is that anyone watching his life probably could have predicted this.