Killer set free

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"Gov. David A. Paterson set John White free following a large-scale campaign on his behalf with letter-writing drives, online petitions and personal appeals to the governor from African-American leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton.

White's lawyers also submitted hundreds of pages of trial documents for review by Paterson's counsel and his Executive Clemency Committee, which makes recommendations on such requests, while leaving the final decisions to the governor.

"It's safe to say he received very extensive input," Paterson spokeswoman Jessica Bassett said.

Sharpton said he spoke personally to the governor once or twice about the case. Paterson called him Thursday morning to inform him of the decision, he said."

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/campaign-to-free-john-white-swayed-paterson-1.2566695

"I was delighted to hear it," Sharpton said.

 

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"Gov. David A. Paterson set John White free following a large-scale campaign on his behalf with letter-writing drives, online petitions and personal appeals to the governor from African-American leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton.

White's lawyers also submitted hundreds of pages of trial documents for review by Paterson's counsel and his Executive Clemency Committee, which makes recommendations on such requests, while leaving the final decisions to the governor.

"It's safe to say he received very extensive input," Paterson spokeswoman Jessica Bassett said.

Sharpton said he spoke personally to the governor once or twice about the case. Paterson called him Thursday morning to inform him of the decision, he said."

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/campaign-to-free-john-white-swayed-paterson-1.2566695

"I was delighted to hear it," Sharpton said.

This is the first I've heard about the case. It seems a group of drunk teenagers came to his house and he said he shot the boy in self defense. Is that the gist of it?

 

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This is the first I've heard about the case. It seems a group of drunk teenagers came to his house and he said he shot the boy in self defense. Is that the gist of it?

"With just more than a week left in his governorship, Mr. Paterson freed John White, who was convicted in 2007 of second-degree manslaughter for shooting 17-year-old Daniel "Dano" Cicciaro in front of Mr. White's home in Miller Place in 2006. Mr. White was released after serving about six and a half months in prison.

Accompanied by a group of friends, Mr. Cicciaro arrived at the house in a drunken rage after leaving a party, according to trial testimony. He wanted to confront Mr. White's son, who he thought had threatened to rape a 15-year-old girl, a sister of one of Mr. Cicciaro's friends.

Mr. White raced out of his home with a Beretta pistol to protect his son, Aaron, who had attended the same party. After a struggle, Mr. White shot Mr. Cicciaro in the cheek, leaving a .32-caliber bullet in his brain. Mr. Cicciaro wasn't armed, but his friends had a baseball bat in the back seat of Mr. Cicciaro's Mustang. And one shouted racial epithets while rushing the dying teenager to the hospital, according to a 911 call transcript.

Mr. White insisted his actions were self-defense, and invoked his family's painful experiences with racial prejudice. And his lawyers noted that the source of Mr. Cicciaro's anger, a months-old online posting, turned out to be a hoax. A jury concluded that the shooting was indefensible.

"My decision today may be an affront to some and a joy to others, but my objective is only to seek to ameliorate the profound suffering that occurred as a result of this tragic event," Mr. Paterson said in a statement.

Thomas Spota, the Suffolk County district attorney who prosecuted Mr. White, didn't criticize the governor's decision, but he chided Mr. Paterson for not reaching out to the Cicciaro family beforehand. "I strongly believe the Governor should have had the decency and the compassion to at least contact the victim's family to allow them to be heard before commuting the defendant's sentence," Mr. Spota said in a statement. His office declined further comment."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704278404576038063871355214.html

 

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This is the first I've heard about the case. It seems a group of drunk teenagers came to his house and he said he shot the boy in self defense. Is that the gist of it?

Shot the white kid in the face from 3 inches away....kid was unarmed. Police were not called before.....
we can only imagine if things were reversed.....would Sharpten be talking to the Governor then?

 

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Shot the white kid in the face from 3 inches away....kid was unarmed. Police were not called before.....
we can only imagine if things were reversed.....would Sharpten be talking to the Governor then?

Gun Crazy
Published: May 25, 1993

Last October a 16-year-old Japanese exchange student named Yoshihiro Hattori adopted an old American custom and got all dressed up for Halloween. He put on a white tux, a lot of jewelry and presto! he was Tony Manero, the swivel-hipped protagonist of "Saturday Night Fever." A few hours later he was dead -- because of another old American custom.

Yoshi and a friend were looking for a party in Central, a suburb of Baton Rouge, La., and rang the wrong doorbell. On opening the front door and seeing a stranger, Bonnie Peairs was scared witless. "I wish I could have thought," she said later. "If I could have just thought."

Mrs. Peairs's husband wasn't guilty of thought either. When she yelled for him to get his gun, he ran to the back room for his revolver, then raced to the carport door. When Yoshi, whose English was scant, misunderstood an order to "Freeze" and kept on coming, he shot him. Pow! Right in the chest.

To Lewis Ungleby, the lawyer whose spirited defense got Mr. Peairs acquitted of manslaughter on Sunday, his client's actions were logical. "In your house, if you want to do it," he said, "you have the legal right to answer everybody that comes to your door with a gun."

Hear that? In his book, the youngster selling Girl Scout cookies, the kid collecting for the Red Cross, the local minister -- and, like Yoshi Hattori, anyone who's lost his way -- can expect a bullet if he dares ring your bell. Hey, they asked for it!

Mr. and Mrs. Peairs had alternatives. They could have locked the doors, pulled the shades, called the police. They didn't because in this country reaching for a revolver is as easy as one-two-three. "We Japanese don't understand the gun society of America," a Japanese reporter said.

Actually, it's easy. Just think stupidity, intolerance, a warped interpretation of the "right to bear arms" and a refusal to learn anything from the deaths of several famous Americans, countless ordinary ones and, now, Yoshihiro Hattori.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/05/25/opinion/gun-crazy.html?src=pm

 

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"Gov. David A. Paterson set John White free following a large-scale campaign on his behalf with letter-writing drives, online petitions and personal appeals to the governor from African-American leaders, including the Rev. Al Sharpton.

White's lawyers also submitted hundreds of pages of trial documents for review by Paterson's counsel and his Executive Clemency Committee, which makes recommendations on such requests, while leaving the final decisions to the governor.

"It's safe to say he received very extensive input," Paterson spokeswoman Jessica Bassett said.

Sharpton said he spoke personally to the governor once or twice about the case. Paterson called him Thursday morning to inform him of the decision, he said."

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/campaign-to-free-john-white-swayed-paterson-1.2566695

"I was delighted to hear it," Sharpton said.

Your thread title is misleading. White was defending his child and home against a group of drunk young men yelling racial slurs and claiming to come get his son to beat him up.

White's conviction was based on his shooting one of the perpetraitors in his driveway with an unregistered gun without staying in his house and calling the cops. He warned the perps, one who did not leave but instead decided to try and take the gun away from White, which resulted in the gun going off and the perps death. White got a 4 to 7 year sentence I believe, and the commuted sentence is not a pardon.

 

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Your thread title is misleading. White was defending his child and home against a group of drunk young men yelling racial slurs and claiming to come get his son to beat him up.

White's conviction was based on his shooting one of the perpetraitors in his driveway with an unregistered gun without staying in his house and calling the cops. He warned the perps, one who did not leave but instead decided to try and take the gun away from White, which resulted in the gun going off and the perps death. White got a 4 to 7 year sentence I believe, and the commuted sentence is not a pardon.

Did Mr. White kill?

Yes, therefore, he is a killer.

Not even he denies that fact. Why do you?

 

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Shot the white kid in the face from 3 inches away....kid was unarmed. Police were not called before.....
we can only imagine if things were reversed.....would Sharpten be talking to the Governor then?

Yeah, let's reverse the situation:

White kid comes home in a panic at night, wakes up his parents and tells him there's a bunch of black kids on their way to beat hell out of him....somebody at a school party falsely accused him of sending a rape threat to a black girl on an e-mail. Dad hears/sees two cars pull up in his driveway and a group of black teens calling out his kid, yelling all types of racial slurs. Dad gets his gun, goes out and tells the kids to get the hell off his property and go home. One of the black kids decides he's going to take the gun....gun goes off in the struggle. The gun is NOT registered. The father is convicted and goes to jail for 4 to 7 years (I believe).

Yeah, if the situation were reveresed, braying jackasses like Bravo would be wailing like banshees about reverse discrimination if that father was convicted. Because with jokers like Bravo, black people MUST be on the losing end....and Bravo is just too fucking dumb to realize how absurd his complaint is.

 

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Yeah, let's reverse the situation:

White kid comes home in a panic at night, wakes up his parents and tells him there's a bunch of black kids on their way to beat hell out of him....somebody at a school party falsely accused him of sending a rape threat to a black girl on an e-mail. Dad hears/sees two cars pull up in his driveway and a group of black teens calling out his kid, yelling all types of racial slurs. Dad gets his gun, goes out and tells the kids to get the hell off his property and go home. One of the black kids decides he's going to take the gun....gun goes off in the struggle. The gun is NOT registered. The father is convicted and goes to jail for 4 to 7 years (I believe).

Yeah, if the situation were reveresed, braying jackasses like Bravo would be wailing like banshees about reverse discrimination if that father was convicted. Because with jokers like Bravo, black people MUST be on the losing end....and Bravo is just too fucking dumb to realize how absurd his complaint is.

I don't pretend to speak for "Bravo".

Why do you?

 

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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Your thread title is misleading. White was defending his child and home against a group of drunk young men yelling racial slurs and claiming to come get his son to beat him up.

White's conviction was based on his shooting one of the perpetraitors in his driveway with an unregistered gun without staying in his house and calling the cops. He warned the perps, one who did not leave but instead decided to try and take the gun away from White, which resulted in the gun going off and the perps death. White got a 4 to 7 year sentence I believe, and the commuted sentence is not a pardon.

Did Mr. White kill?

Yes, therefore, he is a killer.

Not even he denies that fact. Why do you?

No, White didn't deny that his actions let to the kid's death.....but we're talking defensive action that resulted in a death. White did not go out of his way to kill someone without provocation, as your subject title would insinuate.

 

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No, White didn't deny that his actions let to the kid's death.....but we're talking defensive action that resulted in a death. White did not go out of his way to kill someone without provocation, as your subject title would insinuate.

Yet, he killed.

There was no implication or insinuation of intent.

Your interpretation is yours, and I cannot take responsibility for your perceptions.

He is a killer, and his sentence was commuted.

 

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I don't pretend to speak for "Bravo".

Why do you?

I didn't suggest in any shape, form or fashion that you don't pretend to speak for Bravo.

 

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I didn't suggest in any shape, form or fashion that you don't pretend to speak for Bravo.

Now you're being evasive, unless you misunderstood me.

You are imputing a reaction to "Bravo" that, as far as I can tell, he has not articulated.

 

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No, White didn't deny that his actions let to the kid's death.....but we're talking defensive action that resulted in a death. White did not go out of his way to kill someone without provocation, as your subject title would insinuate.

Did you read the news reports? They also described Mr. White as a killer.

Perhaps because he is one.

"John White, convicted of killing Daniel Cicciaro, pardoned by Gov. David Paterson...A black Long Island man convicted of killing a white teenager was home for the holidays Thursday after Gov. Paterson commuted his sentence.

John White, 56, was released after serving just five months in an upstate prison for killing 17-year-old Daniel Cicciaro Jr....A drunken Cicciaro was killed at the foot of White's driveway after he went to the home with four friends late at night, bent on fighting Aaron White over a bogus rape threat, police said."

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local..._pardoned_by_gov_david_pat.html#ixzz194sgelI8

 

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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
No, White didn't deny that his actions let to the kid's death.....but we're talking defensive action that resulted in a death. White did not go out of his way to kill someone without provocation, as your subject title would insinuate.

Yet, he killed.

Not with intent, as the courts ruled.
There was no implication or insinuation of intent.

I said that previously.

Your interpretation is yours, and I cannot take responsibility for your perceptions.

I didn't write the subject title, YOU did. The "interpretation" is YOURS, as I previously pointed out.

He is a killer, and his sentence was commuted.

Obviously, you prefer your personal take as opposed to the law. If White was a plain, out and out "killer" like you state, then his sentence would have been murder in the first degree, or murder with intent.

It wasn't. Hence the ruling.

So you can repeat your myopic viewpoint sans accompanying facts until doomsday...but it won't change the FACTS of the case. Carry on.

 

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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
I didn't suggest in any shape, form or fashion that you don't pretend to speak for Bravo.

Now you're being evasive, unless you misunderstood me.

You are imputing a reaction to "Bravo" that, as far as I can tell, he has not articulated.

All one has to do is follow the chronology of the posts....I was responding to what Bravo posted. Nothing there alludes to, suggests, implys or insinuates what you are going on about now. YOU just seem to want to pick a fight were none exists....either that or your not comprehending what you read.

Whatever, I've mad my position clear and see no sense in repeating the obvious. If you stubbornly hold onto your erroneous statements, then I see no point in further discussion on this point, and you may have the last word.

 

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Obviously, you prefer your personal take as opposed to the law. If White was a plain, out and out "killer" like you state, then his sentence would have been murder in the first degree, or murder with intent.

It wasn't. Hence the ruling.

So you can repeat your myopic viewpoint sans accompanying facts until doomsday...but it won't change the FACTS of the case. Carry on.

I seem to recall that you took issue with the title of my post.

Am I mistaken?

He killed, he is a killer.

Sentence commuted for black man who killed white teen...White was sentenced to more time in prison for owning an illegal weapon than for the killing...

http://www.thegrio.com/news/sentence-commuted-for-black-man-who-killed-white-teen.php

There's that entirely accurate word again. Killed. Killing.

Killer.

 

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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
No, White didn't deny that his actions let to the kid's death.....but we're talking defensive action that resulted in a death. White did not go out of his way to kill someone without provocation, as your subject title would insinuate.

Did you read the news reports? They also described Mr. White as a killer.

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Perhaps because he is one.

"John White, convicted of killing Daniel Cicciaro, pardoned by Gov. David Paterson...A black Long Island man convicted of killing a white teenager was home for the holidays Thursday after Gov. Paterson commuted his sentence.

John White, 56, was released after serving just five months in an upstate prison for killing 17-year-old Daniel Cicciaro Jr....A drunken Cicciaro was killed at the foot of White's driveway after he went to the home with four friends late at night, bent on fighting Aaron White over a bogus rape threat, police said."

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local..._pardoned_by_gov_david_pat.html#ixzz194sgelI8

Yes, and what was the conviction? 2nd degree manslaughter.... headlines of newspapers non-withstanding. Yes, the man as killed, but NOT with intent. Big difference from say a gang bang or mafia hit.

Living in New York, I tend not to take the sensationalistic headlines of the NY Post and Daily News too seriously. Newsday didn't carry such during the actual crime report and trial. But hey, you hold onto your little angst if it helps you sleep at night.

 

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I seem to recall that you took issue with the title of my post.

Am I mistaken?

He killed, he is a killer.

Sentence commuted for black man who killed white teen...White was sentenced to more time in prison for owning an illegal weapon than for the killing...

http://www.thegrio.com/news/sentence-commuted-for-black-man-who-killed-white-teen.php

There's that entirely accurate word again. Killed. Killing.

Killer.

This has already been discussed....you can scream killer all you want, but the 2nd degree manslaughter sentence tells a different story.

Tell you what, Mojo....why don't you apply the mindset you have here to our troops....by your standards, they're "killers", right?

Get shoveling, Moj.

 

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Yes, and what was the conviction? 2nd degree manslaughter.... headlines of newspapers non-withstanding. Yes, the man as killed, but NOT with intent. Big difference from say a gang bang or mafia hit.

Living in New York, I tend not to take the sensationalistic headlines of the NY Post and Daily News too seriously. Newsday didn't carry such during the actual crime report and trial. But hey, you hold onto your little angst if it helps you sleep at night.

Do you take NPR seriously?

"White was sentenced to more time in prison for owning an illegal weapon than for the killing"...

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=132285703

There's that word again. Killing. Which is what Mr. White did. That's what makes him a killer.

Here's the NY penal code on the subject:

§ 125.15 Manslaughter in the second degree.
A person is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree when:
1. He recklessly causes the death of another person; or
2. He commits upon a female an abortional act which causes her death,
unless such abortional act is justifiable pursuant to subdivision three
of section 125.05; or
3. He intentionally causes or aids another person to commit suicide.
Manslaughter in the second degree is a class C felony.

What's causing the death of another person?

Killing.