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The #1 type of death by gunfire in this country is now SUICIDE.

So, it you got your gun to "protect yourself" or to "protect your home", you obviously didn't get the right tool for the job.
 
DNC said:
The #1 type of death by gunfire in this country is now SUICIDE.

So, it you got your gun to "protect yourself" or to "protect your home", you obviously didn't get the right tool for the job.
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Do you believe in medical assisted suicide? Your number only shows that the danger you try to scare us into accepting a loss of freedom for is less than your level of fear.
 
DNC said:
Unemployment. Inflation. Economy goes down violence goes up, Economy goes up violence goes down. Look at the stats. If government control over guns isn't the solution, then what is?
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Parents teaching their children that violence is wrong.

Violent criminals get locked up and not plea bargained out.

Violent criminals get psychological help.

Domestic abuse is addressed as an intolerable situation that receives severe punishment.

NRA or other shooting classes be available to high school students (this would eventually eliminate accidental shootings).

Revamp the education system so that all children get a quality education, and bring back trade schools in the process.

Fund inner city youth programs in a big way. Make the gangs have to compete with quality programs for their members.

Make the news a public service instead of big business. When its big business they do their best to scare you, because that makes you watch the news. That is why you never hear about someone stopping a crime with a gun, but you hear way to much about the killers. The way the news swoops down like vultures on these shooting is encouraging some people more than any talk radio show could ever do.



One of the things that pisses me off is the way you have manipulated mass murders in such a sensationalistic manner. Why is it so much more terrible that this guy in NY killed 13 than when someone kills one person? Is it a numbers game? If there were no mass murders would guns be ok, since only one person at a time was being killed?
 
DNC said:
The #1 type of death by gunfire in this country is now SUICIDE.

So, it you got your gun to "protect yourself" or to "protect your home", you obviously didn't get the right tool for the job.
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Where did you get that info? From what I can find, there are 30,000 suicides a year. According to the sources I found, guns are used approximately 57% of the time.

That would mean less than 17,000 gun suicides a year. And you have already quoted the number of gun murders as 30k.

Quit making up facts as you go along.
 
DNC said:
The #1 type of death by gunfire in this country is now SUICIDE.

So, it you got your gun to "protect yourself" or to "protect your home", you obviously didn't get the right tool for the job.
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Do you honestly believe that the ONLY reason those 17k people committed suicide was because there was a gun available????

Surely you are not that stupid.
 
As you can see we agree on most points!

1. Immediately remove all guns from private control.

2. Parents teaching their children that violence is wrong.

3. Violent criminals get locked up and not plea bargained out.

4. Violent criminals get psychological help.

5. Domestic abuse is addressed as an intolerable situation that receives severe punishment.

6. List the NRA as a terrorist lobby.

7. Revamp the education system so that all children get a quality education, and bring back trade schools in the process.

8. Fund inner city youth programs in a big way. Make the gangs have to compete with quality programs for their members.

9. Make the news a public service by bringing back the Fairness Doctrine.
 
DNC said:
As you can see we agree on most points!

1. Immediately remove all guns from private control.

2. Parents teaching their children that violence is wrong.

3. Violent criminals get locked up and not plea bargained out.

4. Violent criminals get psychological help.

5. Domestic abuse is addressed as an intolerable situation that receives severe punishment.

6. List the NRA as a terrorist lobby.

7. Revamp the education system so that all children get a quality education, and bring back trade schools in the process.

8. Fund inner city youth programs in a big way. Make the gangs have to compete with quality programs for their members.

9. Make the news a public service by bringing back the Fairness Doctrine.
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Removing guns will still not do it. No matter how many times you stomp your feet and insist it will.

The NRA has taught millions of people to safely handle firearms. They have done more for firearm safety than any other organization. You calling them a terrorist organization is simply ridiculous. You may be pissed because they whip your ass in convincing politicians to vote their way, but they are by no means a terrorist organization.

The Fairness Doctrine will not do a damn thing to make the news a public service. It will make talk radio a not-for-profit business, but that is all.
 
I found this article helpful:

Sherman and her colleagues are to be applauded for providing, in this issue of Psychiatric Services, a model of firearms risk management in populations most vulnerable to self-inflicted death. Although this is not the same as much-needed gun-control legislation, it is a major step forward in giving mental health professionals a plan that can reduce loss of life to suicide. Suicidal individuals who have access to guns are at the greatest risk of impulsive, unpredictable suicide. The effect of gun control was forcibly brought to me recently when a nonphysician colleague asked me to provide psychopharmacologic consultation for a young man whose engagement to be married had been abruptly terminated. He had thought of killing himself the previous week and had gone to a sporting goods store to buy a gun. I asked whether he had purchased one. He looked at me disappointedly and said, "No—in New York State it takes six months to get a license... a lot of good that does!" That man is alive today, getting treatment, and doing better because some members of the community cared enough to legislate to limit access to firearms.

http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/52/8/999
 
DNC said:
I found this article helpful:

Sherman and her colleagues are to be applauded for providing, in this issue of Psychiatric Services, a model of firearms risk management in populations most vulnerable to self-inflicted death. Although this is not the same as much-needed gun-control legislation, it is a major step forward in giving mental health professionals a plan that can reduce loss of life to suicide. Suicidal individuals who have access to guns are at the greatest risk of impulsive, unpredictable suicide. The effect of gun control was forcibly brought to me recently when a nonphysician colleague asked me to provide psychopharmacologic consultation for a young man whose engagement to be married had been abruptly terminated. He had thought of killing himself the previous week and had gone to a sporting goods store to buy a gun. I asked whether he had purchased one. He looked at me disappointedly and said, "No—in New York State it takes six months to get a license... a lot of good that does!" That man is alive today, getting treatment, and doing better because some members of the community cared enough to legislate to limit access to firearms.

http://psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/52/8/999
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If this twit was only stopped from killing himself because he didn't have a gun, he shouldn't be allowed to breed.

This idea that you should remove all the guns from 80 million law abiding citizens because 17k kill themselves is the worst excuse for government intrusion that I have heard.

Let me make sure I understand what you want here.

You want to take guns away from 80 million gun owners because 0.02% commit suicide with a gun every year? There is evidence that SOME might not die if there was no gun available, but you have no way of knowing if that is true for 5 people or all 17,000 people. So you want to amend the US Constitution and take guns from the 99.98% that will not do anything wrong???


Can you not see how stupid that is??
 
So tell us, DNC, how will you control the wild animla populations without hunting, and how do you intend to disarm the criminals??
 
In 2005 (the most recent year for which data is available), there were 30,694 gun deaths in the U.S:

12,352 homicides (40% of all U.S gun deaths),
17,002 suicides (55% of all U.S gun deaths),
789 unintentional shootings
330 from legal intervention and 221 from undetermined intent (5% of all U.S gun deaths combined).
-Numbers obtained from CDC National Center for Health Statistics mortality report online, 2008.

A gun in the home increases the risk of homicide of a household member by 3 times and the risk of suicide by 5 times compared to homes where no gun is present.

-Kellerman AL, Rivara FP, Somes G, et al. "Suicide in the Home in Relation to Gun Ownership." NEJM. 1992; 327(7):467-472

Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other industrialized countries:

In 2004 (the most recent year for which this data has been compiled), handguns murdered:

5 people in New Zealand
37 people in Sweden
56 people in Australia
184 people in Canada
19 people in Japan
73 people in the UK
11,344 people in the United States

- Provided by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence
 
So tell us, DNC, how will you control the wild animla populations without hunting, and how do you intend to disarm the criminals??
 
Taxpayers pay more than 85% of the medical cost for treatment of firearm-related injuries.

- Martin M, et al. "The Cost of Hospitalization for Firearm Injuries." JAMA. Vol 260, November 25, 1998, pp 3048, and Ordog et al. "Hospital Costs of Firearm Injuries." Abstract. Journal of Trauma. February 1995, p1)

While handguns account for only one-third of all firearms owned in the United States, they account for more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths each year. A gun kept in the home is 22 times more likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.

- Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm Injuries." Annu. Rev. Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40

People who keep guns at home have a 72% greater chance of being killed by firearms and are 3.44 times more likely to commit suicide than those who do not keep guns at home (Annals of Emergency Medicine, Vol 41, p. 771).
 
So tell us, DNC, how will you control the wild animla populations without hunting, and how do you intend to disarm the criminals??
 
Most Americans do not participate in the cruel and unnecessary "sport" of wounding and sometimes killing defenseless animals. Extremely cruel hunting "fun" includes such delightful pastimes as baiting, canned hunting, trophy hunting, and hunting of stocked animals. Endangered species are also highly prized as victims by some of the hunting fraternity.

Approximately 100 people die in hunting accidents in the United States every year, and unlike other forms of "recreation", hunting endangers the entire community, and not just the willing (if unbalanced) participants.

Animal abusers often claim that without their bloody harvest, animal populations would soar to unmanageable levels and starvation and disease would run rampant. This lie conveniently ignores the fact that many wild animals are fed by hunters so as to provide a bumper crop of innocent victims for their cruel massacres.

The hunting lobby often cites the white-tailed deer as evidence that their bloodthirsty "sport" performs a vital service by thinning the herd.

This is another lie.

In fact, besides being cruel, hunting does not reduce the deer population because removing some individuals from the population results in more food per deer, which leads to the births of more twins and triplets.

This also means that hunting is unnecessary because the deer will self-regulate and give birth to fewer fawns when food is scarce. If the deer population needs to be further reduced, contraception can be used.

Nature is self-regulating and does not need human intervention to balance wild populations.
 
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