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Vice President Joe Biden says "it's time that we gotta figure a way to deal with this senseless, senseless violence."

I agree.

Rightwing nutjobs threaten to kill government officials, massacres occur over and over.

The 2nd amendment was intended to allow states to set up a militia. The time for that is past.

Why should the profits of the gun lobby prevent Americans from joining other civilized nations in ridding our land of a dangerous scourge - the gun?
 
DNC said:
Vice President Joe Biden says "it's time that we gotta figure a way to deal with this senseless, senseless violence."

I agree.

Rightwing nutjobs threaten to kill government officials, massacres occur over and over.

The 2nd amendment was intended to allow states to set up a militia. The time for that is past.

Why should the profits of the gun lobby prevent Americans from joining other civilized nations in ridding our land of a dangerous scourge - the gun?
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Tell us how you will control animal populations and how you intend to disarm the criminals, and then we will talk about the other parts of the issue.
 
DNC said:
When will America wake up to the fact that is is time for total gun control: now. Not tomorrow. Not a week from tomorrow. Next month. Next year.
Now.

When will we learn from the series of tragedies that recur, like the shootings of the Pittsburgh policemen.

Then there is the Binghampton tragedy killing thirteen innocent people.

Jiverly Wong had been told he had the right to bear arms, unfortunately the thirteen people he killed have been deprived of life.

The Columbine killers were told they had a right to bear arms and deprived 12 Columbine students and a teacher of their life. The father of a Columbine victim, Tom Mauser, has been lobbying for sensible gun control legislation.

"Two weeks before the tragedy at Columbine, my son Daniel, who was in a debate class, asked me at the dinner table if I knew there were loopholes in the Brady bill. I just said, 'No I didn't know that,' and that pretty much was the end of the conversation," Tom Mauser of Littleton, Colo., told the Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee. "I was shocked, then, when my son was killed with a gun bought through one of those loopholes in the Brady bill," Mauser said. "I discovered that someone bought that gun and two other guns at a gun show from an unlicensed private seller to avoid creating a paper trail and having to undergo a background check."
Mauser spoke in favor of a bill to require that a national instant criminal background check be performed before the sale or transfer of a firearm at a gun show. The hearing on that and other bills to tighten Maine's gun sales laws came days after multiple shootings in Binghamton, N.Y., Pittsburgh and Graham, Wash.

America is falling asleep and must wake up and stop allowing death lovers and the NRA to control our laws.
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When will you understand the concept:

"Those who give up essential liberty for security deserve neither."
 
By banning guns and addressing the root causes of crime (racism, poverty, injustice) we gain freedom from fear.

No more cowering in our homes like the gun nuts listening for the knock at the door, the breaking glass that strikes such terror in their hearts.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poczH_7zeAU&feature=related"]YouTube - The Joker: Happiness is a Warm Gun[/ame]
 
Damocles said:
When will you understand the concept:

"Those who give up essential liberty for security deserve neither."
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"Those who give up essential liberty for security deserve neither."

I made it look better. This is an important quote that too many people have forgotten.

It is one of my favorite quotes. That and:

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."
 
DNC said:
By banning guns and addressing the root causes of crime (racism, poverty, injustice) we gain freedom from fear.

No more cowering in our homes like the gun nuts listening for the knock at the door, the breaking glass that strikes such terror in their hearts.

YouTube - The Joker: Happiness is a Warm Gun
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Who is cowering in their homes? I am certainly not. The idea that we live in fear is absolute nonsense.

What bothers me is that you have the gall to blame tens of millions of law abiding american citizens for a rampant crime rate, simply because they own a gun. That is total bullshit.
 
Come on DNC, you have said that hunting should be banned as well as guns.

Tell us how you will control the wild animal populations and how you will disarm the criminals.

These are two key points that you are simply ignoring.
 
Without guns there would be no gun murders.

If gunlovers aren't all crazed murderers, then you should want to get rid of your guns because they are more likely to get you or your family killed than they are likely to kill anyone else.

Given these facts, you'd have to be insane to want a gun.

Now, as to the so-called "right" itself: When the 2nd amendment was written, "arms" referred to single-shot muskets and cannons. There wasn't any such thing as a revolver, high powered rifle, a machine gun, or even a semi-automatic pistol.

There were no tanks, no missiles, no nukes.

So, you don't have the "right" to any of those things!

Furthermore, the idea that the goverment can do nothing about your "right" is lame.

The 2nd amendment to the US Constitution gave you this "right" to be part of a "well-regulated militia".

Another amendment could change that. Just because you claim to have a "right", that doesn't prevent that right from being regulated.

In fact, the 2nd amendment specifies that your right to own arms is tied to the need for a "well-regulated militia".

All that the government you fear so much has to do is to start making rules and regulations about "militias" and you would have to obey those regulations.
 
the very fact you need another amendment shows you that we do in fact have the right to individually bear arms :pke:

thankfully you and your ilk are only a tiny minority of the population and as the scotus said....history fully supports the founders desire to grant individuals the right to bear arms...

all you do is ignore facts and make up bullshit stats....
 
DNC said:
Without guns there would be no gun murders.
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so you're quite content with knife murders, ball bat murders, running people over in cars.....

DNC said:
Now, as to the so-called "right" itself: When the 2nd amendment was written, "arms" referred to single-shot muskets and cannons. There wasn't any such thing as a revolver, high powered rifle, a machine gun, or even a semi-automatic pistol.

There were no tanks, no missiles, no nukes.

So, you don't have the "right" to any of those things!
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numerous USSC decisions have opined and stated that the rights listed in the bill of rights are not constrained by devices available in the years that they were written.

DNC said:
The 2nd amendment to the US Constitution gave you this "right" to be part of a "well-regulated militia".
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nothing in the bill of rights or the constitution gives me a right and it certainly doesn't tell me i have a right to be in a militia. I am in a militia by virtue of being an American, just as you are.

DNC said:
Another amendment could change that. Just because you claim to have a "right", that doesn't prevent that right from being regulated.
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no it can't. The 2nd Amendment doesn't 'grant' a right, it recognized a pre-existing right and protects it.

DNC said:
In fact, the 2nd amendment specifies that your right to own arms is tied to the need for a "well-regulated militia".
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so why are you against it?

DNC said:
All that the government you fear so much has to do is to start making rules and regulations about "militias" and you would have to obey those regulations.
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any law that violates the constitution is repugnant, therefore null and void.
 
You admit that you cling to your guns because you 1) fear an attack by criminals or 2) by your political masters.

Fearful people are cowards.

Odd thing I notice - the screaming minority that believes gun ownership is a 'right' this country granted them to protect themselves use stupid rhetoric that proclaims that they would be willing to take up those arms against their own country.

People who fight their own government are traitors.

How is it possible that any society tolerates and defends, as a 'right', a product that is responsible for one death every 12 minutes of every hour of every day of every month - every single year?
 
DNC said:
Without guns there would be no gun murders.

If gunlovers aren't all crazed murderers, then you should want to get rid of your guns because they are more likely to get you or your family killed than they are likely to kill anyone else.

Given these facts, you'd have to be insane to want a gun.

Now, as to the so-called "right" itself: When the 2nd amendment was written, "arms" referred to single-shot muskets and cannons. There wasn't any such thing as a revolver, high powered rifle, a machine gun, or even a semi-automatic pistol.

There were no tanks, no missiles, no nukes.

So, you don't have the "right" to any of those things!

Furthermore, the idea that the goverment can do nothing about your "right" is lame.

The 2nd amendment to the US Constitution gave you this "right" to be part of a "well-regulated militia".

Another amendment could change that. Just because you claim to have a "right", that doesn't prevent that right from being regulated.

In fact, the 2nd amendment specifies that your right to own arms is tied to the need for a "well-regulated militia".

All that the government you fear so much has to do is to start making rules and regulations about "militias" and you would have to obey those regulations.
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"Without guns there would be no gun murders." I wanted to boldface that so that everyone could see what an idiot you are. So you are claiming that there were no murders prior to the invention of the firearm?? Are you actually that dense?

"...they are more likely to get you or your family killed than they are likely to kill anyone else"

You are still making that claim. When this claim was first made publically it was challenged to provide proof. That proof has never been shown. It is one of those myths that get passed around because people like you WANT to believe its true.

It is total bullshit.
 
DNC said:
Without guns there would be no gun murders.

If gunlovers aren't all crazed murderers, then you should want to get rid of your guns because they are more likely to get you or your family killed than they are likely to kill anyone else.

Given these facts, you'd have to be insane to want a gun.

Now, as to the so-called "right" itself: When the 2nd amendment was written, "arms" referred to single-shot muskets and cannons. There wasn't any such thing as a revolver, high powered rifle, a machine gun, or even a semi-automatic pistol.

There were no tanks, no missiles, no nukes.

So, you don't have the "right" to any of those things!

Furthermore, the idea that the goverment can do nothing about your "right" is lame.

The 2nd amendment to the US Constitution gave you this "right" to be part of a "well-regulated militia".

Another amendment could change that. Just because you claim to have a "right", that doesn't prevent that right from being regulated.

In fact, the 2nd amendment specifies that your right to own arms is tied to the need for a "well-regulated militia".

All that the government you fear so much has to do is to start making rules and regulations about "militias" and you would have to obey those regulations.
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Without humans guns wouldn't exist. Maybe you should make a law.
 
DNC said:
You admit that you cling to your guns because you 1) fear an attack by criminals or 2) by your political masters.

Fearful people are cowards.

Odd thing I notice - the screaming minority that believes gun ownership is a 'right' this country granted them to protect themselves use stupid rhetoric that proclaims that they would be willing to take up those arms against their own country.

People who fight their own government are traitors.

How is it possible that any society tolerates and defends, as a 'right', a product that is responsible for one death every 12 minutes of every hour of every day of every month - every single year?
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"...the screaming minority that believes gun ownership is a 'right' this country granted them to protect themselves use stupid rhetoric ..."

Like you have not filled this thread with stupid rhetoric? Tell us again where the documented evidence is that a gun is the home is more likely to kill the family than to be used against a criminal?

Tell us again how banning guns would mean no more murder?

Tell us again (or for the first time) how we control the populations of wil animals without guns?

Tell us again (or for the first time) how you intend to disarm the criminals?





How is it possible that you blame law abiding citizens for the murders committed by criminals????
 
Unemployment. Inflation. Economy goes down violence goes up, Economy goes up violence goes down. Look at the stats. If government control over guns isn't the solution, then what is?
 
DNC said:
Fearful people are cowards.
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This is laughable. You are wanting to amend the US Constitution because you are afraid of guns. You are making up facts to support the idea that banning guns makes us safer, thereby showing your fear.

If there is a coward in this debate, it is you.





And just a quick tidbit for you. Life in a free society will never be safe. If you want safety, go someplace where you can give up all your freedoms. Free men are able to harm one another. It always has been that way and it always will be that way.
 
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