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[T. A. Gardner]

Clearly you didn't bother to read your sources and compare them to your idiotic statement.

Public ownership of the means of production is socialism by almost every definition you just posted.
The government owning part of intel would meet the definition of socialism unless you have suddenly decided that socialism is a great thing because Trump is doing it so it can't be socialism.

You are either being disingenuous or lying here. The links I posted include the following types of Socialism listed with respect to the economy and markets:

Anarcho-Socialism: Collectivized economy owned by workers not the state.

Utopian Socialism: Local coops and collectives owned by workers not the state. No state ownership of production.

Statist Communism / Marxist Communism: Government owns everything

Democratic Socialism: Government only owns monopolies like utilities but can set market rates for other industries and business sectors. Most of the economy is privately owned.

Market Communism (or Statist Capitalism): The state owns monopolies and some industries but most of the economy is privately owned. State sets market prices and controls who can make what within the private economy. Monopolies in private industry allowed by state.

Fabian Socialism / Guild Socialism: Trade unions and other cooperatives among workers own means of production. The state coordinates production but doesn't own the means of production.

Military (or Junta) Socialism: The state controls what is produced but leaves ownership in private hands. The focus is on national interests, retaining power, and stability, not on ownership of production as the Junta recognizes they are not really capable of doing that efficiently. May place figureheads in some industry to ensure loyalty.

So, in most cases, ownership remains outside of the government in a socialist state. The government's role is to control markets, what is produced, and by whom. Ownership by private individuals or often by collectives or groups of people within an industry is not only allowed but encouraged.

Only Communism in its various forms takes control of the means of production entirely.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

You are either being disingenuous or lying here. The links I posted include the following types of Socialism listed with respect to the economy and markets:

Anarcho-Socialism: Collectivized economy owned by workers not the state.

Utopian Socialism: Local coops and collectives owned by workers not the state. No state ownership of production.

Statist Communism / Marxist Communism: Government owns everything

Democratic Socialism: Government only owns monopolies like utilities but can set market rates for other industries and business sectors. Most of the economy is privately owned.

Market Communism (or Statist Capitalism): The state owns monopolies and some industries but most of the economy is privately owned. State sets market prices and controls who can make what within the private economy. Monopolies in private industry allowed by state.

Fabian Socialism / Guild Socialism: Trade unions and other cooperatives among workers own means of production. The state coordinates production but doesn't own the means of production.

Military (or Junta) Socialism: The state controls what is produced but leaves ownership in private hands. The focus is on national interests, retaining power, and stability, not on ownership of production as the Junta recognizes they are not really capable of doing that efficiently. May place figureheads in some industry to ensure loyalty.

So, in most cases, ownership remains outside of the government in a socialist state. The government's role is to control markets, what is produced, and by whom. Ownership by private individuals or often by collectives or groups of people within an industry is not only allowed but encouraged.

Only Communism in its various forms takes control of the means of production entirely.

I see. You are arguing that Trump is a communist.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I see. You are arguing that Trump is a communist.

I see. You really are an idiot.

That's quite the stretch. Trump has government take a 10% stake in one corporation within an industrial sector and suddenly he's headed towards controlling the entire economy taking it away from the private sector. Yea, sure...

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I see. You really are an idiot.

That's quite the stretch. Trump has government take a 10% stake in one corporation within an industrial sector and suddenly he's headed towards controlling the entire economy taking it away from the private sector. Yea, sure...

Yeah. I must be an idiot because the smart people accuse Democrats of being socialists and communists when they haven't bought part of any industry.