Lead by example...

Exactly, they would have a point if the President were trying to get people to make voluntary contrabutions to the IRS.
 
Damocles said:
It is hypocrisy. The urge of leadership to force others to do as they are unwilling to do is flat hypocrisy and always will be. I find people who are willing to demand from others what they are unwilling to lead others in doing to be amoral.
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No, it would only be hypocrisy if he demanded others do it yet refused to do it himself. You may find a dictionary helpful at this point.
 
Rune said:
No, it would only be hypocrisy if he demanded others do it yet refused to do it himself. You may find a dictionary helpful at this point.
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and dune once again opens his mouth and proves himself the fool. examples of hypocrisy:

Examples of HYPOCRISY

When his private letters were made public, they revealed his hypocrisy.

the hypocrisy of people who say one thing but do another

Teenagers often have a keen awareness of their parents' hypocrisies.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

obama: i should pay more taxes

obama: did not pay more taxes

conclusion - obama is a hypocrite
 
Onceler said:
It's not hypocrisy. If Obama achieved the change in policy, and then didn't pay the additional amount he was mandated to pay, it would be hypocrisy; and also a legal offense...
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Incorrect. The idea that only law can give your action morality is retarded and beneath you, a simplistic thought of a very young child. Mommy didn't tell me to so I can do what I want...

This is simply a knee-jerk attempt to defend what you as an intelligent being fully understand to be hypocrisy.

If you believe something to be "right" then do it, even when nobody is looking; do it especially if you are trying to convince others to enact it as law to force everybody to do it.

Right is right, even if it isn't a law. And hypocrisy is there when you insist that something is "right" for everybody and then do not do it yourself.
 
Jarod said:
So, should Bush have been on the front lines in Iraq? He was demanding that of others!
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Should every General drive a tank? That is simplistic again. It is the job of the CIC is to lead the nation to war, they are always the Civilian head of the Military and serve while there. Obama is doing the same now. They have their military role.

Now, had Bush insisted other nations invade Iraq but wouldn't commit US troops there, that would be hypocrisy.
 
Damocles said:
Incorrect. The idea that only law can give your action morality is retarded and beneath you, a simplistic thought of a very young child. Mommy didn't tell me to so I can do what I want...

This is simply a knee-jerk attempt to defend what you as an intelligent being fully understand to be hypocrisy.

If you believe something to be "right" then do it, even when nobody is looking; do it especially if you are trying to convince others to enact it as law to force everybody to do it.

Right is right, even if it isn't a law. And hypocrisy is there when you insist that something is "right" for everybody and then do not do it yourself.
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Sorry, Damo - that's a very simplistic way to look at it. It's the child-like way that you described at the beginning of the above.

That's like saying if you believe in a war, you should go fight it, even if war has not been declared, and there are no other soldiers or military to help you. The idea is that it's the collective action which will make the difference - not the symbolic action of one man.

I know you'll argue it until you're blue in the face, but there just isn't any hypocrisy here.
 
Jarod said:
So, should Bush have been on the front lines in Iraq? He was demanding that of others!
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Should every General drive a tank? That is simplistic again. It is the job of the CIC is to lead the nation to war, they are always the Civilian head of the Military and serve in that capacity while in office. Obama is doing the same now. They have their military role.

Now, had Bush insisted other nations invade Iraq but wouldn't commit US troops there, that would be hypocrisy.
 
Onceler said:
Here is where your ODS is showing. If Obama was calling for a volunteerism on the part of millionaires to choose to pay more in taxes, you'd have a point. By paying more himself, he'd be leading that initiative "by example."

He isn't. He's pushing for policy change.
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obama: Let me be absolutely clear: I should pay more taxes
 
Onceler said:
Sorry, Damo - that's a very simplistic way to look at it. It's the child-like way that you described at the beginning of the above.

That's like saying if you believe in a war, you should go fight it, even if war has not been declared, and there are no other soldiers or military to help you. The idea is that it's the collective action which will make the difference - not the symbolic action of one man.

I know you'll argue it until you're blue in the face, but there just isn't any hypocrisy here.
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sure there is....

Let me be absolutely clear: I should pay more taxes

nothing stopping him from paying more taxes...
 
Yurt said:
obama: Let me be absolutely clear: I should pay more taxes
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In the context, he's clearly about talking about himself in relation to his bracket - he's talking about policy change.

Stop being so intellectually dishonest. Really - it's very unbecoming....
 
Onceler said:
Sorry, Damo - that's a very simplistic way to look at it. It's the child-like way that you described at the beginning of the above.

That's like saying if you believe in a war, you should go fight it, even if war has not been declared, and there are no other soldiers or military to help you. The idea is that it's the collective action which will make the difference - not the symbolic action of one man.

I know you'll argue it until you're blue in the face, but there just isn't any hypocrisy here.
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It isn't like saying that. It is again an attempt by yourself to apply childlike simplicity in order to desperately defend. I find your arguments in this thread to be the weakest I have ever seen by you.

To tell others to do something that you will not willingly do yourself is pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.

If I had a pastor telling me I must pay "this much" in tithes, but he himself would not, he would be a hypocrite even if it was not a "law"...
 
Onceler said:
In the context, he's clearly about talking about himself in relation to his bracket - he's talking about policy change.

Stop being so intellectually dishonest. Really - it's very unbecoming....
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he didn't say policy change....he said simply that he should pay more taxes. you don't need a policy change to pay more taxes onceler. your ODS is hilarious.
 
Damocles said:
It isn't like saying that. It is again an attempt by yourself to apply childlike simplicity in order to desperately defend. I find your arguments in this thread to be the weakest I have ever seen by you.

To tell others to do something that you will not willingly do yourself is pretty much the definition of hypocrisy.

If I had a pastor telling me I must pay "this much" in tithes, but he himself would not, he would be a hypocrite even if it was not a "law"...
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LOL - typical Damo. Why do you continue to be so obtuse, and not extrapolate to the policy change that Obama is referring to?

What does the pastor analogy have to do w/ anything? Obama is talking about the benefit to the country if the tax code was changed on his bracket - he's talking about the overall effect on revenue. He's not talking about symbolic gestures by a few, which would make no difference.

Again - if he was trying to push millionaires to voluntarily give more, but he didn't, he'd be a hypocrite. It's weird you're not able to make that distinction; I think it's just your usual stubborn streak, but if you really don't get it, that's kind of sad.
 
Yurt said:
he didn't say policy change....he said simply that he should pay more taxes. you don't need a policy change to pay more taxes onceler. your ODS is hilarious.
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He's not stupid, Yurt; he's obviously talking about policy change, and his comments are in that context. I would agree wholeheartedly that if he was JUST saying he should give more & didn't give more, he'd be a hypocrite, and pretty stupid.

But he's not stupid; it's obvious what he's saying.
 
I'll put this out to both Yurt and Damo: do you think Obama was just talking about himself, or do you think he was talking about changing the policy?
 
Let me be absolutely clear: I should pay more taxes

res ispa loquitur

you're just desperate to defend obama at all costs onceler. you've dug your heels in and will now never see the truth.
 
Onceler said:
I'll put this out to both Yurt and Damo: do you think Obama was just talking about himself, or do you think he was talking about changing the policy?
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Yurt?

LOL - knew that question would be too much for you. And it's hilarious how you're simultaneously parsing what Mitt said to apologize for him.

Good stuff.
 
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