Less Republicans believe in Evolution today than in 2009

Right. You read the quote, but you have to deflect from it because you can't have a scientist who believes in a Creator. Admit it. Be honest.

You are projecting. You were repeatedly name dropped Einstein as an argument from authority. I don't personally care.

Francis Collins believes in God. But he does reject ID though.

Einstein appeared to be a sorta pantheist/agnostic/atheist. I am an atheist.
 
You are projecting. You were repeatedly name dropped Einstein as an argument from authority. I don't personally care.

Francis Collins believes in God. But he does reject ID though.

Einstein appeared to be a sorta pantheist/agnostic/atheist. I am an atheist.

He's well known, yes, and that means he is credible. The truth is there are many scientists who believe in Intelligent Design. What about them? Are they real scientists or not?
 
That's absurd. It is the age old grould rule of science that you cannot invoke supernatural causation. Whether God is "known" or "unknown" regardless God is of the supernatural. Gould was correct when he observed that science and religion are non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA).

So science has nothing to say about astrology, psychic readings or faith healing because they are of the supernatural?

When they make a falsifiable claim, science has something to say. If it's just God as the unknown/undefined/unknowable/undefinable teapot then of course science can't say much about it and there is no real reason to entertain it. It's just nonsense.
 
So a scientist could very well believe in a creator?
I have a graduate degree in a scientific discipline. I believe in a creator. That is my religious belief. Whether or not there is a "Creator" is a question that is wholly outside of the scope of science. Science does not deal or explore or explain the supernatural or supernatural phenomena. Science only models natural phenomena. That is the age old ground rule for science that help to make it self correcting. You cannot infer supernatural causation. To do so would be something other than science.
 
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I want one of you scientists to tell me why Einstein could not believe in Intelligent Design. You don't define what people think.
He very well could have. Hell he could have believed that life was created by an all powerfull spaghetti monster (props to Billy) for alls I care. If Einstein believed in Intelligent Design Creationism (and that's your inference and not a fact) than he believed in something that wasn't science. Which makes me rather skeptical that he would.
 
So science has nothing to say about astrology, psychic readings or faith healing because they are of the supernatural?

When they make a falsifiable claim, science has something to say. If it's just God as the unknown/undefined/unknowable/undefinable teapot then of course science can't say much about it and there is no real reason to entertain it. It's just nonsense.
Oh now you're splitting hairs. Science has nothing to say about the supernatural because science does not model supernatural behavior. Only natural behavior. If some phenomena has a supernatural cuasation the only thing science has to say is "It's not science".

In other words, nothing.
 
Oh now you're splitting hairs. Science has nothing to say about the supernatural because science does not model supernatural behavior. Only natural behavior. If some phenomena has a supernatural cuasation the only thing science has to say is "It's not science".

In other words, nothing.

So.... science has nothing to say about astrology, psychic readings or faith healing because they are of the supernatural?

If there is a claim concerning causation then it probably can be tested. If you think the alignment of the stars affect peoples lives in a predictable way then we can test your ability to make predictions. When the science denying sf claims that acupuncture can be used to focus the healing power of Ch'i we can test that with science. Even if you think Jesus was the reason you were able to throw a touchdown pass we could measure your touchdowns versus some worshiper of the Devil (Tom Brady).

Further, science has plenty to say about many religious claims, like the flood, age of the earth, the appearance of life, the cosmological accuracy of the creation myth, etc. The NOMA only works with certain types of religious practitioners like Einstein or Collins and the fact is that science continues to shrink what is left for religion to claim as it's domain and the magisteria are not divided in any real sense. The believers who respect NOMA are rarities. The Intelligent Design movement has pretty much destroyed it and then you have faith healers and other dealers in hokum that attack science in a similar way.
 
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The problem with Gould's NOMA is bascially the fact that it ignores that religion and even a belief in the supernatural is premised on epistemology that is in direct conflict with science. Science, in essence, is epistemology.
 
I have a graduate degree in a scientific discipline. I believe in a creator. That is my religious belief. Whether or not there is a "Creator" is a question that is wholly outside of the scope of science. Science does not deal or explore or explain the supernatural or supernatural phenomena. Science only models natural phenomena. That is the age old ground rule for science that help to make it self correcting. You cannot infer supernatural causation. To do so would be something other than science.

Says you. By observing natural phenomena there is evidence of a superior intelligence according to Einstein.
 
Since PiMP watches Fox News and would not understand this otherwise....just a note....this is intended as sarcasm....no need to get sand in your vagina....

that's the third time you've called me a pimp.....are you asking me to represent you?.....what percentage are you offering?.....
 
That's absurd. It is the age old grould rule of science that you cannot invoke supernatural causation. Whether God is "known" or "unknown" regardless God is of the supernatural. Gould was correct when he observed that science and religion are non-overlapping magisteria (NOMA).

science and religion are both sociological activities....obviously they do not overlap.....however, that says nothing about exclusion of a deity's existence.....
 
So.... science has nothing to say about astrology, psychic readings or faith healing because they are of the supernatural?

If there is a claim concerning causation then it probably can be tested. If you think the alignment of the stars affect peoples lives in a predictable way then we can test your ability to make predictions. When the science denying sf claims that acupuncture can be used to focus the healing power of Ch'i we can test that with science. Even if you think Jesus was the reason you were able to throw a touchdown pass we could measure your touchdowns versus some worshiper of the Devil (Tom Brady).

Further, science has plenty to say about many religious claims, like the flood, age of the earth, the appearance of life, the cosmological accuracy of the creation myth, etc. The NOMA only works with certain types of religious practitioners like Einstein or Collins and the fact is that science continues to shrink what is left for religion to claim as it's domain, e.g., science and morality. The believers who respect NOMA are rarities. The Intelligent Design movement has pretty much destroyed it and then you have faith healers and other dealers in hokum that attack science in a similar way.
Think about what you're saying and think about what I am saying. Science has nothing to say about the supernatural because science only models the natural world and it can neither prove nor disprove supernatural causation. Science simply cannot explain the supernatural. Science can only demonstrate natural causation. You can use science to explain that some phenomena has a natural explanation that others credit as having a supernatural one. You cannot use science (or any methodology for that matter) to disprove a supernatural explanation however. If you don't believe me go ahead and try it. That is why supernatural explanations are prohibited in science.
 
You're hillarious. Since when has beleiving in science ever made anyone a "leftist"? It's that sort of stupid shit that's alienated so many in the scientific community from the Republican party. That and their attempts to undermine sound science education and public policy with religious dogma and their backward short sightedness in investing in scientific R&D that will move this nation forward....not back to the 18th century where ya'll seem to want to go.

atheists are as much a mainstay of liberalism as the "religious right" is of conservatism......if you're ready to abandon your own silliness we can give you a pass, otherwise you'll just have to live with the stain.....
 
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