Less Republicans believe in Evolution today than in 2009

[Timshel]

I'm on board with Einstein and a creator. If humans are the most powerful being, then that's not saying much, universally speaking.

That's because you are a Christophobic bigot.

You appear to be nothing more than a dishonest Christian.

"The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text. For me the Jewish religion like all other religions is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions. And the Jewish people to whom I gladly belong and with whose mentality I have a deep affinity have no different quality for me than all other people. As far as my experience goes, they are also no better than other human groups, although they are protected from the worst cancers by a lack of power. Otherwise I cannot see anything 'chosen' about them." - Einstein letter to Eric Gutkind in 1954 shortly before his death

http://www.richarddawkins.net/news_...d-letter-handwritten-shortly-before-his-death

 

[blacknwhite321]

I have no trouble with the idea of a Creator...

If you have no trouble with the idea of a Creator, then wouldn't you be okay with linking attributes to that Creator? If so, what would those attributes be [that you would be okay with]?

 

[Timshel]

/shrugs.....if they are like us (and that cuts a rather broad spectrum) then obviously they haven't suppressed anything either......



obviously you would prefer a really, really low burden.....maybe something like "I feel tingley when I say it so it must be true".......

Goddamn, that's a stupid argument. Most people don't use "like you" to mean identical.

No, that is your burden. We have plenty of evidence and we can make inferences. We don't have to witness another ape evolve into a human or more human like ape.

We did not need to fully sequence the chimpanzee genome to know we were most closely related to them. Though you reject even that for the warm fuzzy you get from stories of righteous Abraham sleeping with his half sister/cousin and preparing to kill his son. The work by Wilson and Sarich was plenty but even the anatomy and geographic distribution was sufficiently .

 

[Canceled.2014.2]

If you have no trouble with the idea of a Creator, then wouldn't you be okay with linking attributes to that Creator? If so, what would those attributes be [that you would be okay with]?

I have no trouble linking to the attributes of creator to a creator. I have a problem with doing it in the context of science or using a yod of the gaps arguement.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Gee, I don't know. I guess Einstein was a goat herder, huh. This should be good. Go.

Try answering the question. What does belief in a creator have to do with science?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

That's because you are a Christophobic bigot.

That or maybe your scientifically illiterate.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

If you have no trouble with the idea of a Creator, then wouldn't you be okay with linking attributes to that Creator? If so, what would those attributes be [that you would be okay with]?

It would be ok to link any attribute to a creator but unless you can identify who that creator is and eliminate supernatural causation to the attributes created and demonstrate a testable and natural causation for those attributes created, why then it simply isn't science.

The point being, it's ok to believe in what ever spiritual philosophy you want but to call it science you have to play by the long establised ground rules of science.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Goddamn, that's a stupid argument. Most people don't use "like you" to mean identical.

No, that is your burden. We have plenty of evidence and we can make inferences. We don't have to witness another ape evolve into a human or more human like ape.

We did not need to fully sequence the chimpanzee genome to know we were most closely related to them. Though you reject even that for the warm fuzzy you get from stories of righteous Abraham sleeping with his half sister/cousin and preparing to kill his son. The work by Wilson and Sarich was plenty but even the anatomy and geographic distribution was sufficiently .

He hasn't convinced me. He hasn't provided any factual based arguments nor any testable ones nor has he provided any peer reviewed research supporting his position. He just argues in circles.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

You appear to be nothing more than a dishonest Christian.

I wonder if stang has problems with arrogant people of varying faiths.....

I have problems with people of faith who are arrogant

 

[PostmodernProphet]

We have plenty of evidence and we can make inferences.

its a shame your inferences weren't supported by that evidence......just sayin'......

We did not need to fully sequence the chimpanzee genome to know we were most closely related to them.

or created somewhat better than them.......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

That or maybe your scientifically illiterate.

????......haven't we already demonstrated that on at least three major issues.......AGW, abortion, and evolution, those on the left are more illiterate in science than those on the right?......

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Try answering the question. What does belief in a creator have to do with science?

what one believes has an all encompassing impact on how he interprets data.......

take this for instance.....you say of me...

He hasn't convinced me. He hasn't provided any factual based arguments nor any testable ones nor has he provided any peer reviewed research supporting his position. He just argues in circles.

but refuse to acknowledge that the scientific data out there does nothing to actually prove what you assume to be unassailable fact.....

 

[Timshel]

its a shame your inferences weren't supported by that evidence......just sayin'......



or created somewhat better than them.......

They are.

Better for what?

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Okay, let's try reality for a minute. Everyone, be they pope Francis or Richard Dawkins has moments of doubt's about what they actually believe when they are memorizing their bedroom ceiling at three ayem. Its called being human. We should embrace this as part of who we are rather than being threatened by it.

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I stated. He is pretending that there is SCIENCE involved in the discussion about the existence or nonexistence of God(s).

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

You are a L-I-A-R.

pure comedy you are... you lie, then pretend others have lied.

To "think we are the most powerful beings in the universe" does not mean "to proclaim one way or the another that God exists." My response made it quite clear that there could be no certainty on the proposition, which was not the existence of God but whether we were the most powerful beings in the universe. Again, based on the available evidence or science, there is nothing wrong with thinking we are the most powerful beings in the universe.

Again... only an arrogant moron would hold the above position. Because based upon the vastness of the universe, statistically speaking it is highly UNLIKELY that we are the most powerful beings in the universe.

 

[Canceled.2014.2]

That or maybe your scientifically illiterate.

...or a scientifically illiterate troll.

 

[Canceled.2014.2]

Which has absolutely nothing to do with what I stated. He is pretending that there is SCIENCE involved in the discussion about the existence or nonexistence of God(s).

Okay, lets put this to an open question. Who can rationally explain what science ahs to do with the existence or non existence of God...Anybody?

(Stang hears crickets chirping, bemoans having to get off his ass from break and go back to work)

 

[Canceled.2014.2]

I wonder if stang has problems with arrogant people of varying faiths.....

No, I love Arrogant Muslims....and the Militant Buddhists in Asia are my personal hero's. Not to mention I love how militant the conservative Jews are in Palestine. Arrogance is only a fault when it comes to Christians, obviously.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Okay, lets put this to an open question. Who can rationally explain what science ahs to do with the existence or non existence of God...Anybody?

(Stang hears crickets chirping, bemoans having to get off his ass from break and go back to work)

as has been stated by many of us already... Science has NOTHING to do with the existence of God or nonexistence of God. So if you aren't going to pay attention to what has been written, then perhaps you shouldn't be condescending.

 

[Canceled.2014.2]

as has been stated by many of us already... Science has NOTHING to do with the existence of God or nonexistence of God. So if you aren't going to pay attention to what has been written, then perhaps you shouldn't be condescending.

I did not mean to be condescending....I am trying to bright light rather than heat into the discussion.