Less Republicans believe in Evolution today than in 2009

Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
So.... science has nothing to say about astrology, psychic readings or faith healing because they are of the supernatural?

If there is a claim concerning causation then it probably can be tested. If you think the alignment of the stars affect peoples lives in a predictable way then we can test your ability to make predictions. When the science denying sf claims that acupuncture can be used to focus the healing power of Ch'i we can test that with science. Even if you think Jesus was the reason you were able to throw a touchdown pass we could measure your touchdowns versus some worshiper of the Devil (Tom Brady).

Further, science has plenty to say about many religious claims, like the flood, age of the earth, the appearance of life, the cosmological accuracy of the creation myth, etc. The NOMA only works with certain types of religious practitioners like Einstein or Collins and the fact is that science continues to shrink what is left for religion to claim as it's domain and the magisteria are not divided in any real sense. The believers who respect NOMA are rarities. The Intelligent Design movement has pretty much destroyed it and then you have faith healers and other dealers in hokum that attack science in a similar way.
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Mott the Hoople said:
No, not say's I. Say's the scientific method. You are aware that it is possible for scientist to hold beliefs in that which is not science, don't you?

I believe in God. I believe Christ died upon the cross for my sins. I believe that God is the ultimate source of life everywhere and anywhere and none of that has anything to do with science. These are precious beliefs to me that I cannot, nor would not, use science to explain. That is not the purpose of science.
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Ideas exist outside of your personal definitions.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
We CAN use science to disprove a supernatural explanation because we can use science to explain that some phenomena has a natural explanation. Your statements are contradictory. For instance, James Randi proved the claims of supernatural causation/explanation by Uri Geller and other psychics to be false by simply showing how they could be achieved naturally and setting up tests that falsified their abilities. We could have tested Oral Roberts claims of a supernatural healing power. It's only when they fail to make falsifiable claims that the supernatural cannot be disproven.
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No you cannot. Go ahead and try and see what happens. One can claim "God Did it" till the cows come home. As a scientist all you can do is demonstrate that some phenomena has a natural causation with a high degree of probability. You cannot prove it absolutely. Just as you cannot disprove supernatural causation. As to the supernatural causes, how would a scientist know? They only deal with natural ones.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
So.... science has nothing to say about astrology, psychic readings or faith healing because they are of the supernatural?

If there is a claim concerning causation then it probably can be tested. If you think the alignment of the stars affect peoples lives in a predictable way then we can test your ability to make predictions. When the science denying sf claims that acupuncture can be used to focus the healing power of Ch'i we can test that with science. Even if you think Jesus was the reason you were able to throw a touchdown pass we could measure your touchdowns versus some worshiper of the Devil (Tom Brady).

Further, science has plenty to say about many religious claims, like the flood, age of the earth, the appearance of life, the cosmological accuracy of the creation myth, etc. The NOMA only works with certain types of religious practitioners like Einstein or Collins and the fact is that science continues to shrink what is left for religion to claim as it's domain and the magisteria are not divided in any real sense. The believers who respect NOMA are rarities. The Intelligent Design movement has pretty much destroyed it and then you have faith healers and other dealers in hokum that attack science in a similar way.
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christiefan915 said:
Intelligent design shouldn't be taught as a science.
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Then don't do it.
 
Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
So.... science has nothing to say about astrology, psychic readings or faith healing because they are of the supernatural?

If there is a claim concerning causation then it probably can be tested. If you think the alignment of the stars affect peoples lives in a predictable way then we can test your ability to make predictions. When the science denying sf claims that acupuncture can be used to focus the healing power of Ch'i we can test that with science. Even if you think Jesus was the reason you were able to throw a touchdown pass we could measure your touchdowns versus some worshiper of the Devil (Tom Brady).

Further, science has plenty to say about many religious claims, like the flood, age of the earth, the appearance of life, the cosmological accuracy of the creation myth, etc. The NOMA only works with certain types of religious practitioners like Einstein or Collins and the fact is that science continues to shrink what is left for religion to claim as it's domain and the magisteria are not divided in any real sense. The believers who respect NOMA are rarities. The Intelligent Design movement has pretty much destroyed it and then you have faith healers and other dealers in hokum that attack science in a similar way.
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christiefan915 said:
I've often wondered myself where Faux gets its trash.
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You're just jealous of those hot conservative women on fox.
 
Rana said:
A saint! Oh, wait, most of them had moments of doubt! as did Thomas, Peter, Moses, David!
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a saint isn't one who doesn't doubt....a saint is someone who hasn't done wrong...

we all have different gifts
1 Corinthians 12:
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.

7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
 
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Hasa Diga Eebowai said:
So.... science has nothing to say about astrology, psychic readings or faith healing because they are of the supernatural?

If there is a claim concerning causation then it probably can be tested. If you think the alignment of the stars affect peoples lives in a predictable way then we can test your ability to make predictions. When the science denying sf claims that acupuncture can be used to focus the healing power of Ch'i we can test that with science. Even if you think Jesus was the reason you were able to throw a touchdown pass we could measure your touchdowns versus some worshiper of the Devil (Tom Brady).

Further, science has plenty to say about many religious claims, like the flood, age of the earth, the appearance of life, the cosmological accuracy of the creation myth, etc. The NOMA only works with certain types of religious practitioners like Einstein or Collins and the fact is that science continues to shrink what is left for religion to claim as it's domain and the magisteria are not divided in any real sense. The believers who respect NOMA are rarities. The Intelligent Design movement has pretty much destroyed it and then you have faith healers and other dealers in hokum that attack science in a similar way.
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christiefan915 said:
I was raised in a religion and have doubts all the time. Especially after reading some of the stuff here.
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You'll probably learn more from the bible on a political forum than in a lot of phony churches. Leftists can't stand real churches.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
No you cannot. Go ahead and try and see what happens. One can claim "God Did it" till the cows come home. As a scientist all you can do is demonstrate that some phenomena has a natural causation with a high degree of probability. You cannot prove it absolutely. Just as you cannot disprove supernatural causation. As to the supernatural causes, how would a scientist know? They only deal with natural ones.
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You are wrong and contradicting yourself. I already explained how it can and has been done. Again, if it is a non falsifiable claim then it can't be disproven, but not every supernatural claim in non falsifiable.
 
one might actually say that if its been falsified, it isn't actually a supernatural event......thus the only events which ARE supernatural are those that can't be falsified.....
 
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