Let this sink in for a minute.

Polski Trollski said:
Trump is rather Fascist using his brown shirts to attack the capitol.
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The notion that Trump “incited” a violent insurrection is laughable.

The speech he gave Monday afternoon before the protest doesn't meet the evidentiary standard for "incitement".

Trump didn’t command his followers to break into the Capitol. In fact, he seems to just have gone home to tweet and watch TV.

A mob intrusion which was swiftly dispersed doesn’t constitute an "insurrection. No federal troops joined the mob on Trump’s orders, because he didn’t issue any.

Shortly after the breach, Trump released a video instructing the mob to “go home.”

Did you know that?
 
christiefan915 said:
Exactly, a cult of personality and a warped, twisted one at that. I'm asking myself what was the end game here. How were the insurrectionists going to change the election results, government, whatever by storming the Capitol? Once they went from demonstration and protest to crime, was the next step killing? I know they were screaming about finding Pence and hanging him from a tree on Capitol Hill.
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I don't think you know what an "insurrection" is.

At no point was the American government at risk of being “overthrown” on Wednesday. The whole episode never stood the remotest chance of preventing the certification of the Usurper, much less overthrowing the government.

The idea that this was a “coup”, an attempt to seize control of the nation by force, is so ridiculous that you really have to have a special kind of intellect in order to believe it.
 
Legion said:
I don't think you know what an "insurrection" is.

At no point was the American government at risk of being “overthrown” on Wednesday. The whole episode never stood a the remotest chance of preventing the certification of the Usurper, much less overthrowing the government.

The idea that this was a “coup”, an attempt to seize control of the nation by force, is so ridiculous that you really have to have a special kind of intellect in order to believe it.
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I'm going by the dictionary definition...noun - an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government... but that wasn't the point. I knew this crowd couldn't overthrow the government etc. but I want to understand what the trumper mindset was. People like Stone, Stretch and a few others who said that after January 6 the truth would finally be known and trump would be inaugurated for his 2nd term on January 20.

IOW what did these people think the crowd could do that would change the results of the election.
 
christiefan915 said:
I'm going by the dictionary definition...an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government... but that wasn't the point.
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It is the point. By your definition, all protests against the government and this summer's riots were "insurrection".

Some people did something. :D
 
Legion said:
You couldn't afford DC.

That's the thing that should scare you, not "things you've been hearing".
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"Trump or war. Today. That simple.""If you don't know how to shoot: You need to learn. NOW."

"we will storm the government buildings, kill cops, kill security guards, kill federal employees and agents, and demand a recount."

In the weeks, days and hours ahead of Wednesday's siege on the Capitol by President Donald Trump's zealous supporters, the warning signs were clear: online posts from hate groups and right-wing provocateurs agitating for civil war, the deaths of top lawmakers and attacks on law enforcement.

And now, as the dust settles and the country struggles to make sense of the violence that left five dead -- including an officer with the US Capitol Police -- experts warn that the calls for violence have only intensified ahead of Inauguration Day, when President-elect Joe Biden will be sworn in as commander in chief.

"We are seeing ... chatter from these white supremacists, from these far-right extremists -- they feel emboldened in this moment," said Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, which tracks and counters hate. "We fully expect that this violence could actually get worse before it gets better."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/08/us/online-extremism-inauguration-capitol-invs/index.html
 
Legion said:
:rofl2:
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iu
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Yes, it's as hypocritical as those who say burning the US flag is free speech but carrying certain other flags is treason.
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Replacing the US flag with a Trump flag has a seditious meaning. It is still an expression of free speech, I don’t know if it’s criminal, but I sure understood their message.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I believe that this whole mess was planned long in advance -- like the t-shirts some of them had, plus the flags. But I also think that the mob became inflamed by #TRE45ON's rhetoric, stopped thinking, and started acting irrationally. They got what they wanted -- attention. Rush Limbaugh and Ivanka the Simple are calling them heroes. She is, of course, positioning herself as future Queen.
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I think that was the case with the majority, like the elderly couple snapping pictures like they were on a guided tour of the Capitol, but the guys dressed in tactical gear with the flex cuffs planned to do something nefarious from the get go, the sheep gave them the cover they needed.
 
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