Lethal Injection... Cruel and Unusual?

AnyOldIron said:
Recividism is far lower in Britian, and even lower in Europe, where sentences are, on average, six times more lenient. Why do you think that is, Damo?

Our prison system is far from good, but that isn't a justification to give the state the right to execute its own citizens. It just means that the prison system needs reform...
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Errr...

OK. You guys don't have the death penalty. You don't give out unjustly long sentences. You don't put people who commit three felonies, no matter how minor, in jail for life without parole. And yet you have less crime, and your recividism rate is lower. The American approach to crime, an attempt at deterrence and punishment wihout reform or prevention, is a flat out failure.
 
OK. You guys don't have the death penalty. You don't give out unjustly long sentences. You don't put people who commit three felonies, no matter how minor, in jail for life without parole. And yet you have less crime, and your recividism rate is lower. The American approach to crime, an attempt at deterrence and punishment wihout reform or prevention, is a flat out failure.

I wouldn't say we had less crime, just that we have different crime. Less gun crime....

Our approach, simply locking people away in prisons that resemble into Crime Hogwarts isn't much use. You are simply a little more extreme.
 
Does the U.S. even have executions outside the bible belt? I might be wrong, but I would guess that over 90% of all executions in the US are in the bible belt.
 
They do, but they have an idealism and a sense of justice.

Anyway, I should have put a shruggy on the end. It is not one of my arguments. I argue against the death penatly and for permanent imprisonment in such cases.

I wouldn't want to try argue the case either...
 
Does the U.S. even have executions outside the bible belt? I might be wrong, but I would guess that over 90% of all executions in the US are in the bible belt.

I hear Texas is fond of killing its own 'folks', is that in the belt?
 
Cypress said:
Does the U.S. even have executions outside the bible belt? I might be wrong, but I would guess that over 90% of all executions in the US are in the bible belt.
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Mississippi has maybe executed 4 people in the past 20 years. Texas executes a few dozen a year. Texas also usually isn't included in the bible belt.

Also, California, New York, etc... all have the death penalty, and probably execute about as many people per capita as Mississippi.
 
AnyOldIron said:
You let Arnie sign death warrants???? :q
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No. Juries choose whether to send somebody to their next life. Arnie has the power to grant them life by commuting the sentence voted on by the jury, he does not have the power to send anybody to death, just to pull them from those jaws.
 
Damocles said:
No. Juries choose whether to send somebody to their next life. Arnie has the power to grant them life by commuting the sentence voted on by the jury, he does not have the power to send anybody to death, just to pull them from those jaws.
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Juries choose whether or not they want to murder a person, Arnie signs the murder order.
 
Watermark said:
Juries choose whether or not they want to murder a person, Arnie signs the murder order.
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I don't think he does. But I'll admit I don't know California law...

As far as I know the execution goes forward after he is sentenced without any needed order from the Governor. His only power is to commute the sentence, not to decide when and where.
 
:p

I once read something about Austria threatening to revoke his citizenship because he signed the death order. Apparently governers have to give specific compliance to the execution, which was meant in the old days to lower the number of executions, since it's harder to give positive acceptance to an execution than negative refusal, but these days any governer that didn't go through with an execution would be lampooned to high heaven.
 
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