Libya News and Interests

With the future of the Assad regime now well in hand, the Kremlin has turned its attention to another former Soviet client in the Middle East - Libya.

The “Libyan Political Agreement” negotiated under UN supervision and announced on December 17, 2015, was supposed to herald the formation of a unity government for Libya and begin the process of stabilizing a country that has been torn apart by four years of civil war. It did neither. Instead, the two rival governments, the Tobruk-based House of Representatives (HR) and the Tripoli headquartered General National Congress (GNC), have continued their rivalry.

Both sides continue to function as the government of Libya; conduct separate foreign policies and, in many cases, field rival ambassadorial appointments. In the meantime, the Government of National Accord (GNA), which was to have replaced the two rival governments, has failed to establish its authority. Its territorial control is largely limited to a former naval base outside the city of Tripoli, and it is continuing to steadily lose what little authority it had. The GNC originally endorsed the GNA, although in recent months it has turned against it. The HR never accepted the GNA, even though its formal approval was a precondition of the original agreement.

Part of the impetus for the UN brokered agreement was the success of Islamic State (IS) in establishing a foothold in Libya. The Libyan branch of IS was officially formed on November 13, 2014. There were three separate branches of IS in Libya, corresponding to the three historic divisions of the country when it was under Ottoman rule: Cyrenaica in the east, Fezzan in the south and Tripolitania in the west.

The group’s genesis was in the Battar Brigade, a militant group of Libyans that were fighting against the Assad regime in Syria during 2012. In early 2014, about 300 veterans of the Battar Brigade returned to Libya and organized the Islamic Youth Shura Council (IYSC). Bolstered by recruits from other jihadist organizations, the IYSC took control of the Libyan city of Derna. Starting in early 2015, Islamic State gradually expanded its territory to also take control of the city of Sirte. This was the largest city controlled by Islamic State outside of its Iraqi-Syrian domain. At one point, it even appeared that if IS was defeated in Syria and Iraq, Sirte might become the organization’s new capital.

The Islamic State in Libya steadily lost ground over the course of 2015. A rival jihadist organization, the Shura Council of Mujahideen in Derna, succeeded in expelling IS fighters from the city. Further east, Libyan National Army (LNA) forces loyal to Khalifa Hiftar, with assistance from French Special Forces, succeeded in expelling IS militants from the city of Benghazi. IS, however, continued to retain control of Sirte.

On August 1, 2016, in response to a request for assistance by Fayez al-Sarraj, the Prime Minister of the Libyan Government of National Accord, the U.S. launched Operation Odyssey Lightning to help government-aligned forces push IS out of Sirte. AFRICOM, which was charged with the mission, conducted “495 precision airstrikes against Vehicle Borne Improvised Explosive Devices, heavy guns, tanks, command and control centers and fighting positions.” The operation was officially ended on December 16.

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sailor signals an AV-8B Harrier pilot assigned to the 22nd Marine Expeditionary Unit (22nd MEU) to stop aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Wasp (LHD 1) during Operation Odyssey Lightning, Aug. 11, 2016.

On January 19, however, the Obama administration, in one of its last acts before stepping down, dispatched four B-2 (stealth) bombers to attack two Islamic State training camps in the Libyan Desert, 28-miles southwest of the city of Sirte. It’s estimated that 80 IS jihadists. There are between 200 and 1,000 IS militants still operating in Libya, either in cells in Libya’s major cities or dispersed in the country’s desert south.
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While the immediate threat of an Islamic State takeover of Libya is, for now, contained, Libya is no closer to a resolution of its civil war than it was a year ago. In the east, the Libyan National Army (LNA), under the control of Field Marshal Khalifa Hiftar, has emerged as the region’s principal power broker. The LNA supports the Tobruk-based House of Representatives and operates under its authority. Hiftar is supported by Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates and, increasingly, by Russia. The U.S. has repeatedly urged Hiftar to accept the authority of the GNA. He has refused to do so.

The Field Marshall is an enigmatic and controversial figure in Libya. A former general in Muammar Gaddafi’s military, he took part in the coup that brought the Libyan strongman to power in 1969, only to break with the Libyan leader in the late 80s. He has longstanding ties with Russia, having received training there in the 1970s, but paradoxically also with the CIA. Hiftar came to the U.S. in 1990, along with 300 of his former soldiers, under a CIA sponsored U.S. refugee program. He lived in Virginia for almost 20 years, and in the process also became a U.S. citizen.

Hiftar’s Libyan National Army has succeeded in gaining control of most of eastern Libya and the main operating oil fields there. In September, the LNA took control of four critical oil export terminals in the Gulf of Sirte, Ras Lanuf, As Sidra, Zueitina and Marsa el Brega, as well as the El Sharara and El Feel oil fields, two of Libya’s largest, giving him control of almost all of Libya’s onshore petroleum production. On December 20, the Libyan National Oil Company announced that it had reopened oil pipelines from its western oil fields capable of delivering 270,000 barrels of petroleum a day (BOPD), a 50 per cent increase over its current production.

By January 2017, for the first time since the beginning of the civil war, all nine of Libya’s major oil terminals were delivering oil, boosting production to 700,000 BOPD. Libya’s National Oil Company has announced plans to increase production to 1.2 million BOPD by the end of the year. If successful, the production increase will largely offset the OPEC mandated production cuts announced in the autumn of 2016. Proceeds from oil sales have been deposited into the Libyan Central Bank and are theoretically under the control of the GNA.

Arrayed against Hiftar, and his Libyan National Army, is a broad assortment of rival militias ranging in orientation from jihadist to so-called moderates, although what that latter term actually means in Libya is anybody’s guess. The most prominent group is the Misratan militia. Based in the Libyan city of Misrata, the group at one point numbered more than 230 different organizations fielding around 40,000 fighters. It’s unclear what its current strength and membership is. It was members of the Misratan militia that led the effort to oust Islamic State from Sirte.

The Misratan militia supports the Tripoli-based General National Congress, and has been a stalwart opponent of both Hiftar and his Libyan National Army. Moderate groups within the Misratan Militia originally supported the GNA, but of late have become more ambivalent in their support. The LNA and the Misratan Militias have repeatedly clashed over the last four years. The Islamist groups that make up a significant portion of the Misratan Militia’s strength oppose Hiftar’s secularist and anti-jihadist policies, especially his belief that all Islamists are de facto jihadists, and have opposed any role for Hiftar in a national unity government.
 
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Field Marshall Khalifa Hiftar, Commander Libyan National Army
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On February 9, Mahmud Zagal, a commander of one of the Misrata militias, announced in Tripoli the formation of the Libyan National Guard (LNG). The size of the LNG is unclear, but it is believed to consist of various groups drawn from the Misrata militias. The LNG claims that it would not get involved in “political party and tribal disputes,” and that its main objective was to continue to fight against “the Islamic State jihadist group.” The group’s relationship with the UN-backed Government of National Accord is unclear as is its relationship with the Tripoli based General National Congress. The LNG is largely seen as a potential counterpoint to Field Marshall Khalifa Hiftar’s, Libyan National Army.

The third major militia grouping is the Zintan Brigades based in the city of Zintan southwest of Tripoli. The Zintan Brigades are technically allayed with Hiftar’s LNA and are considered “moderates” within the Libyan political constellation, and have been fierce opponents of Islamist groups operating in Libya, particularly those aligned with the Misratan militias. The Zintan brigades have, however, maintained a truce with the Misratan militias and cooperated with them in the campaign to oust the Islamic State from Sirte.

In addition to the LNA, Misratan Militias and Zintan Brigades, there is a range of other armed groups also operating in the country. In the deep desert, there are Tebu militias that control most of the region south of Sabha. In the southwest, there are Tuareg militias that control several oil fields in the area. Both groups have been supportive of the GNA, but neither can do much to aid the unity government. In addition, there are is a range of jihadist organizations that operate independently, although at times they have collaborated with various groups in the Misratan militias. These groups include Ansar al-Sharia and al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM).

At the moment, none of the major armed groups have sufficient strength to overcome the others. While the LNA and the Zintan Brigades collectively control a significant part of Libya, it’s not clear that the Zintan Brigades would support the LNA if renewed fighting broke out between the Libyan National Army and the Misratan Militias. With the Government of National Accord widely seen as being on its last legs and a new round of negotiations to create a new unity government imminent, all three of the main groups have a vested interest in cooperating in the organization, and subsequent division of power, in a new government.

In the last nine months, the Kremlin has been ratcheting up its support of Khalifa Hiftar; describing him, as quoted in a Bloomberg report, as “a leading political and military figure,” and as someone who is “doing a lot to fight Islamic State terrorists and help the government restore control of oil production.” At the same time, Russia has criticized the UN organized unity government as ineffective and urged UN envoy Martin Kobler to find a prominent role for Hiftar in Libya’s government.

Hiftar has been to Moscow twice in the past six months for high-level meetings with the Russian Defense and Foreign Ministers. On January 11, Hiftar toured the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Kuznetsov, which was anchored off the Libyan coast near Benghazi. During his visit, he held a video conference with Russian Defense Secretary Sergei Shoigu. Russia has been providing military advice and training, as well as “military experts” to the Libyan National Army, but insists that it has observed the UN mandated arms embargo to supply arms to anyone other than for the UN sponsored Government of National Accord.

During the Gaddafi regime, Libya was a major purchaser of Soviet and Russian arms. It’s estimated that the Libyan Revolution that overthrew Gaddafi cost Russia some four billion dollars in contracted arms deals. In addition, during the 1970s and 1980s, the Soviet Union operated military bases in Libya, including access to the Okba Ben Nafi airfield (now Methega Airport), the former Wheelus Air Base operated by the United States in the 1950s and 60s. It’s possible that Russia is again looking for access to military bases in Libya, as well as restoring its influence with a former Soviet client.

Libya is not Syria and Hiftar is not another Assad. Nonetheless, there are important and unmistakable parallels between the two countries. Both nations have been torn apart by a ruthless civil war, a war that has created spaces for jihadist organizations in general and Islamic State, in particular, to thrive. Both wars have created waves of refugees that are sweeping into Europe and creating domestic and political disruptions there. Both wars have destabilized their surrounding regions, drawn in jihadists from neighboring countries and facilitated the proliferations of arms to local militant groups.

Both countries were former Soviet clients and, in both cases, Russia has aligned itself with military strongmen, while the U.S. and its allies have sought to identify moderate political forces around which it could build broader coalitions. In Libya’s case, unlike in Syria, the U.S. played a prominent role in overthrowing Gaddafi and in setting off the chain of events that would plunge Libya into civil war and political chaos.

The lessons of Syria, and the resulting flood of refugees, have not been lost on the European Union (EU) either. Libya continues to be a significant source of refugees crossing the Mediterranean into Europe. About 10,000 refugees have already crossed over from North Africa this year, setting up 2017 to be a record year. The EU recently gave the Government of National Accord in Tripoli 3.2 million euros to expand its Coast Guard, even though the GNA controls very little of Libya’s coastline beyond the vicinity of Tripoli. A further 200 million euros are slated to help Libya and its North African neighbor’s better deal with “refugee-migration issues.” The term is “code” for a EU strategy of building and financing refugee camps in Libya to which to return rescued migrant-refugees.

The EU has also given the Kremlin unmistakable signals that it would welcome Moscow’s help in finding a permanent political solution to the Libyan Civil War. British Foreign Minister Boris Johnson went so far as to openly signal his support that, “Hiftar is in some way integrated into the government of Libya.” The Trump administration’s position on Libya isn’t clear yet. Washington has objected to the appointment of Russian backed, former Palestinian Prime Minister Salam Fayyad to replace Martin Kobler as the UN Representative to Libya. Nonetheless, Libya could well emerge as the first area of U.S.-Russian cooperation.

Hiftar is by no means assured to emerge as Libya’s strongman. His control of eastern Libya and its oil fields, the support of the Libyan National Army, as well as Russia’s backing, makes him a strong contender; especially given the fragmentation and disunity of his potential opposition. Nonetheless, it’s unlikely that his opponents will willingly concede to his control of Libya, and such a gambit would likely precipitate continued fighting and bloodshed. In the meantime, Moscow spins its webs and bides its time.
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"What if" is the refugee of a scoundrel.. All you can point to is Bernie's Unanimous Consent votes-
while I have article after article that showed Clinton's advocacy & organizational works is what got the "No Fly" from a passive UN resolution into a full fledged regime change.Some from her very own State Dept.

It was Clinton who wanted to make Qadaffi a military target/it was Clinton who counseled for the war
to a "reluctant Obama" ( as the NYTimes describe it), and it was Clinton who led the Arab League to acquiese
It was Clinton who was the "51st% voice"- as Gates described her role in the National Security Council to finally go into R2P "humanitarian war" -and it was her who wanted him dead (military target)
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You've done a lot of writing on Libya,but you can't connect the dots to today's migration problem
of Black Africans being robbed and starved in transit to Libya? Drowning in massive waves in the Mediterranean?
You're a Toby-excusing the Clinton massa you supported for the needless deaths of your own people!


Do your friends who travel to Libya regularly excuse your willful ignorance and betrayal of Sub Saharan & west Africa from the Sahel? Or do they realize you're too stupid to connect the dots from Libya 2011 to Libya 2014 ~ Present?

You don't demonstrate a fucking clue about Libya after Qaddafi was killed.
You told me yourself you lost interest - it's wasn't a political hot war covered by the media going into the election.
Rand Paul and Bernie nailed her ass after the 2011 fiasco- and you were silent or making excuses in the presidential election

I alone saw the rise of Libyan Civil War from 2014~ Present, and I alone covered it on DCJ#1 and DCJ#2.
Your droppings had long dropped out, as the events on the ground inevitably devolved into full scale civil war.
You went AWOL. It wasn't a sexy war anymore .it was just a grind to desrtuction and death

You had plenty of time to add to that thread and to learn . But you didn't. You ignored the upcoming "blow back"
The US was out of Libya by 2012 and you lost interest because Qaddafi was killed,and it wasn't a politically shiny object anymore.
It was just a protracted civil war that left scenes like the drowned black Africans all over Libyan beaches
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Here's your girl on her victory tour in Oct 2011 when she was taking credit for
her neocon "spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun" Libyan regime change.

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and here's the legacy of her warhawking.
It wasn't "US policy" that inevitably did this -it was Clinton/Obama/Sarkozy/Cameron- that actors in the grotesque play called Liberation of Libya. Yet you blame everyone but the actual players involved.
"US policy" my ass. :rolleyes: You dodge all responsibility because you can't put the blame on HRClinton and company. You can't square the fact you voted for her,and the reality left on the ground is her work alone ( not Bernie) along with the other actors involved.

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Bengazi - July 2015
 
"What if" is the refugee of a scoundrel.. All you can point to is Bernie's Unanimous Consent votes-
while I have article after article that showed Clinton's advocacy & organizational works is what got the "No Fly" from a passive UN resolution into a full fledged regime change.Some from her very own State Dept.

It was Clinton who wanted to make Qadaffi a military target/it was Clinton who counseled for the war
to a "reluctant Obama" ( as the NYTimes describe it), and it was Clinton who led the Arab League to acquiese
It was Clinton who was the "51st% voice"- as Gates described her role in the National Security Council to finally go into R2P "humanitarian war" -and it was her who wanted him dead (military target)
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You've done a lot of writing on Libya,but you can't connect the dots to today's migration problem
of Black Africans being robbed and starved in transit to Libya? Drowning in massive waves in the Mediterranean?
You're a Toby-excusing the Clinton massa you supported for the needless deaths of your own people!


Do your friends who travel to Libya regularly excuse your willful ignorance and betrayal of Sub Saharan & west Africa from the Sahel? Or do they realize you're too stupid to connect the dots from Libya 2011 to Libya 2014 ~ Present?

You don't demonstrate a fucking clue about Libya after Qaddafi was killed.
You told me yourself you lost interest - it's wasn't a political hot war covered by the media going into the election.
Rand Paul and Bernie nailed her ass after the 2011 fiasco- and you were silent or making excuses in the presidential election

I alone saw the rise of Libyan Civil War from 2014~ Present, and I alone covered it on DCJ#1 and DCJ#2.
Your droppings had long dropped out, as the events on the ground inevitably devolved into full scale civil war.
You went AWOL. It wasn't a sexy war anymore .it was just a grind to desrtuction and death

You had plenty of time to add to that thread and to learn . But you didn't. You ignored the upcoming "blow back"
The US was out of Libya by 2012 and you lost interest because Qaddafi was killed,and it wasn't a politically shiny object anymore.
It was just a protracted civil war that left scenes like the drowned black Africans all over Libyan beaches
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Here's your girl on her victory tour in Oct 2011 when she was taking credit for
her neocon "spreading democracy at the barrel of a gun" Libyan regime change.

22libya8-superJumbo-v4.jpg


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and here's the legacy of her warhawking.
It wasn't "US policy" that inevitably did this -it was Clinton/Obama/Sarkozy/Cameron- that actors in the grotesque play called Liberation of Libya. Yet you blame everyone but the actual players involved.
"US policy" my ass. :rolleyes: You dodge all responsibility because you can't put the blame on HRClinton and company. You can't square the fact you voted for her,and the reality left on the ground is her work alone ( not Bernie) along with the other actors involved.

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Bengazi - July 2015
Who are you talking to anyway?

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Nigerian returnees from Libya narrate tales of rape, abuse, violence

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African migrants stranded on a boat coming from Libya wait for rescue services, near Sfax, on the Tunisian coast, on June 4, 2011. Between 200 and 270 migrants fleeing the conflict in neighbouring Libya went missing on June 2 off of Tunisia, while nearly 600 others were rescued alive after their boat capsized.

Some Nigerian returnees from Libya have narrated their experiences in the hands of Libyan officials.

Scores of Nigerians travel to Libya daily with the hope of landing in Europe by boat through the Mediterranean.

An average of 109 Nigerians arrived in Italy daily in 2016 travelling the risky route.
A lot more are, however, still trapped in Libya.


Some of the returnees appealed to federal and state governments to provide job opportunities for Nigerian youth to prevent them from endangering their lives looking for greener pasture abroad.

They told the News Agency of Nigeria on Wednesday in Lagos, that they decided to leave the country because they were jobless.

They said that they travelled to Libya with the hope of crossing to Europe through the Mediterranean in search of jobs.

The returnees were among the 161 Nigerians who returned voluntarily from Libya on February 14.

They were assisted back home by the International Organisation for Migration (IOM) after being detained for several months in Libyan detention facilities.

They arrived in Lagos singing songs of praise and beaming with smiles, thanking their creator for bringing them safely home.

One of the returnees, Bridget Akeama, an indigene of Anambra, said her parents decided to send her to Italy when all hope of securing job after her school proved abortive.

Ms. Akeama, who said she left Nigeria in August last year, returned with four months pregnancy.

She said she was arrested while trying to cross to Italy from Libya by immigration officials.

Ms. Akeama said: “Ever since then, I have been moved from one prison to another until I was taken to detention camp in Tripoli.

“We were subjected to inhuman treatment while in prison, from the food we eat to the water we drink.

“Most of the young ladies in detention camp were raped by Libyan officials and if you refused their advances, it will be hell for you.

“Thank God I am back in Nigeria, I know all hope is not lost but it is painful that I will begin from scratch again with my unborn child.”


Stanley Iduh, 34-year-old indigene of Delta, said that he was tricked by an agent popularly known as “Burger, that he would facilitate his journey to Spain through Libya.

He said that when his hope of crossing into Spain was dashed in Libya, he decided to stay back and work in the Arab country.

“I worked in Tile producing company and their salary was good but unfortunately I cannot save my money in the bank.

“I lived with other Nigerians. I dug a hole in the ground to save my money.

“Unfortunately, one day, some Libyans came, kidnapped us and inflicted punishment on us.

“They asked us to call our relations back in Nigeria and tell them to send N300,000 as our ransom.

“The $200,000 dollars that I saved, disappeared; they moved us to another place until we got to detention camp.

“Nigerians should be discouraged from travelling to Libya because they are not treating us like human beings.

“Our ladies were dehumanised by Libyan officials, it is very painful,” he said.

Mr. Iduh, who said he sold the house left by his late father before travelling to Libya, urged the federal and state governments as well as wealthy Nigerians to create job for the youths.

“It was because I was jobless for three years that I was cajoled to travel abroad to look for greener pasture.

“I am back in the country after eight months, devastated and humiliated.

“I have gone to look for greener pasture but here I am today; I have brought nothing green back home,” he said with tears running in his cheek.

Paul and Marvellous Isikhuemhen are twin brothers who travelled to Libya in March and May 2016 respectively in search for greener pasture.

Marvellous told NAN that they regretted travelling out of the country because of the bitter encounter they had in Libya.

He said that though they secured a good job in a publishing house in Libya, “it was suffering and smiling’’ until they were given the opportunity to return home through the IOM.

Mr. Isikhuemhen urged the Nigerian government to stop young ladies from travelling to Libya, saying they were molested by Libyan immigration officials.

He said that most Nigerian ladies bribe Nigerian Immigration Officers to secure travel documents to travel to Libya.

Mr. Isikhuemhen added that most of the children brought back home by these ladies had no fathers.

“I can boldly tell you that the children you are seeing in their hands and those pregnant ladies are products of Libya immigration officers,” he said.
http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/...-libya-narrate-tales-rape-abuse-violence.html
 
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Muammar Qaddafi sought the help of Dubai’s Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al-Maktoum to build a modern city in Libya similar to Dubai, it has been revealed.
However, infighting in Qaddafi’s regime scuppered the plans, with the 2011 revolution finally putting an end to the idea.

“Qaddafi called me and told me ‘Mohammed, I would like to establish a city in Libya that is similar to Dubai’ Sheikh Mohammed, the UAE’s Prime Minister, told the World Government Summit in Dubai yesterday.


Whilst the building of a new Dubai in Libya was by no means certain, the 2011 revolution and ousting of Qaddafi put an end to any linger hopes it would materialise.

Despite this, the UAE prime minister lamented the situation: “If that project happened it would have been an economic city for the African continent and Libya would be in a better place.”
 
Cairo Talks produce potential agreements

Rival powers in Libya have agreed to form a committee to explore amending a UN-backed deal to end the country's political turmoil, Egypt announced on Wednesday after hosting talks.

The head of Libya's unity government Fayez al-Sarraj and rival army chief Marshal Khalifa Haftar had been in Cairo this week for talks mediated by the Egyptian army.
They agreed to set up "a joint committee" to formulate amendments to the deal that set up the unity government, the military said in a statement.


Sarraj and Haftar did not meet face to face during the talks in Cairo.

Sarraj's UN-backed Government of National Accord has struggled to assert its authority across the North African country since starting work in Tripoli nearly a year ago.

Haftar, whose forces control much of the eastern Cyrenaica region, is backed by a parliament based in the east that has refused to pass a vote of confidence in the unity government.

Sarraj met Haftar in January last year in the eastern town of Al-Marj shortly after he was named GNA head.

The UN-brokered deal gave Haftar no role in the unity government, but the Egypt-backed strongman made clear he was a key player when he seized control of Libya's main eastern oil export terminals in September.

A source close to Haftar said on Tuesday that the strongman had been seeking guarantees that any changes that were agreed would not be blocked by powerful militias from Libya's third city Misrata that have been one of the main armed supports for the unity government.
 
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Muammar Qaddafi sought the help of Dubai’s Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al-Maktoum to build a modern city in Libya similar to Dubai, it has been revealed.
However, infighting in Qaddafi’s regime scuppered the plans, with the 2011 revolution finally putting an end to the idea.

“Qaddafi called me and told me ‘Mohammed, I would like to establish a city in Libya that is similar to Dubai’ Sheikh Mohammed, the UAE’s Prime Minister, told the World Government Summit in Dubai yesterday.


Whilst the building of a new Dubai in Libya was by no means certain, the 2011 revolution and ousting of Qaddafi put an end to any linger hopes it would materialise.

Despite this, the UAE prime minister lamented the situation: “If that project happened it would have been an economic city for the African continent and Libya would be in a better place.”
You really have the hots for the evil old bastard.

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You really have the hots for the evil old bastard.
file that in the "things that might have been" category. I have affection for the people of Libya-
they deserved nothing that NATO gave them in terms of destruction and death.
 
Libya still in the mire as another anniversary passes

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Libya's 2011 war

Libya’s transition has been bogged down by insecurity and chaos, leaving the country looking like a “failed state” six years after the NATO-backed uprising that ended Moamer Kadhafi’s rule.

“We got rid of one dictator only to see 10,000 others take his place,” said Fatma al-Zawi, a Tripoli housewife, bemoaning the multitude of warlords and militias which have run the North African country since the armed revolt which erupted in mid-February 2011.

Ordinary Libyans are showing little enthusiasm for the anniversary, which the authorities plan to mark on Thursday with cultural and sporting events in Martyrs’ Square in the capital.

Living conditions have deteriorated badly through a combination of insecurity, power cuts, water shortages, a cash crunch and the plunging value the Libyan dinar.

Libya’s executive and legislative branches have been paralysed by fierce rivalries between political movements, ideologies and tribes.

“The protagonists have not understood that no single ideological branch or political or tribal clan can govern the country on its own” in the post-Kadhafi era, said Rachid Khechana, director of the Mediterranean Centre for Libyan Studies in Tunis.

“This is why the country is not ready for ‘classic’ democratic competition” through elections, he said.

In the absence of a strong regular army, the oil-rich country with long, porous borders has turned into rich terrain for smugglers of arms and people from sub-Saharan Africa desperate to reach Europe via perilous Mediterranean crossings.

“It’s now been six years that the international community is trying to impose a democratic, united government when there is nothing on which they can build it,”

“Libyans must decide whether their country will become a new Somalia, or whether they’ll make difficult choices to steer it in a different direction,” she said.
http://www.manilatimes.net/libya-still-mire-another-anniversary-passes/312659/
 
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A huge blaze raged for a third day at a fuel depot near Tripoli's airport Tuesday, while a warplane crashed in Libya's second city Benghazi during fighting with Islamists.

Gunmen kidnapped a former deputy prime minister and newly-elected MP, Mustapha Abu Shagur, at his Tripoli home, his family said, highlighting the failure of authorities to rein in dozens of militias that sprang up during the 2011 uprising which overthrew longtime dictator Moamer Kadhafi.

Amid the increasing lawlessness and uncertainty, France, Portugal, the Netherlands, Canada and Bulgaria became the latest nations to ship out their citizens or close their embassies in Tripoli.

The blaze erupted on Sunday when a rocket fired during clashes between rival militias battling for control of Tripoli international airport struck a tank containing more than six million litres (1.6 million gallons) of fuel.

The head of a former government announced plans Thursday to reopen Tripoli's airport that was heavily damaged in fighting in 2014, in a fresh blow to Libya's unity administration.

Khalifa Ghweil, who refuses to recognise the legitimacy of the UN-backed Government of National Accord (GNA), made the announcement during a visit to the airport, south of Tripoli.

The facility was damaged during the summer of 2014 in fierce fighting between rival militias for control of the capital.


According to Al-Sarih, work to rebuild a new terminal, control tower and the airport parking lot has already begun.

It was not immediately clear who is funding the project.

Flights in and out of Tripoli have been operating through Mitiga airport, formerly a military base east of the capital, that is under the control of the GNA.

Ghweil is backed by a number of Tripoli militias and powerful armed groups from his hometown, the western city of Misrata.

The former premier has taken several steps in defiance of the GNA, including seizing control briefly in January of several government buildings in Tripoli that housed ministries.

Last week, several militias who back him announced the creation in Tripoli of a "Libyan National Guard".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/af...-government-says-rebuild-Tripoli-airport.html
 
If a peacekeeping force with a robust mandate had been sent in, they could have stopped the port's blockade, prevented the airport being trashed, trained a Libyan Army, disarmed the rebels and most importantly protected the infrastructure and government institutions.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/mark...ibya-intervention-was-a-failure-theyre-wrong/

The country is better off today than it would have been had the international community allowed dictator Muammar Qaddafi to continue his rampage across the country.
manifest garbage.
Qadaffi was on the way to crushing the al-Qaeda based National Transition Coalition ( rebels) and restoring
Libyan stability and high standard of living
 
manifest garbage.
Qadaffi was on the way to crushing the al-Qaeda based National Transition Coalition ( rebels) and restoring
Libyan stability and high standard of living

Sorry just don't agree, I think it highly likely that Libya would have ended up like Syria under Assad.

"There was no end in sight. After early rebel gains, Qaddafi had seized the advantage. Still, he was not in a position to deal a decisive blow to the opposition. (Nowhere in the Arab Spring era has one side in a military conflict been able to claim a clear victory, even with massive advantages in manpower, equipment, and regional backing.)

Any Libyan who had opted to take up arms was liable to be captured, arrested, or killed if Qaddafi “won,” so the incentives to accept defeat were nonexistent, to say nothing of the understandable desire to not live under the rule of a brutal and maniacal strongman.

The most likely outcome, then, was a Syria-like situation of indefinite, intensifying violence. Even President Obama, who today*seems unsure*about the decision to intervene, acknowledged in an*August 2014*interview with Thomas Friedman that “had we not intervened, it’s likely that Libya would be Syria…And so there would be more death, more disruption, more destruction.”


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Sorry just don't agree, I think it highly likely that Libya would have ended up like Syria under Assad.

"There was no end in sight. After early rebel gains, Qaddafi had seized the advantage. Still, he was not in a position to deal a decisive blow to the opposition. (Nowhere in the Arab Spring era has one side in a military conflict been able to claim a clear victory, even with massive advantages in manpower, equipment, and regional backing.)

Any Libyan who had opted to take up arms was liable to be captured, arrested, or killed if Qaddafi “won,” so the incentives to accept defeat were nonexistent, to say nothing of the understandable desire to not live under the rule of a brutal and maniacal strongman.

The most likely outcome, then, was a Syria-like situation of indefinite, intensifying violence. Even President Obama, who today*seems unsure*about the decision to intervene, acknowledged in an*August 2014*interview with Thomas Friedman that “had we not intervened, it’s likely that Libya would be Syria…And so there would be more death, more disruption, more destruction.”
That reads like a Hillary Clinton campaign platform. it's excuse making for the neocons -nothing else.
Qaddafi offered passage to Egypt from anyone in Bengazi who would lay down their arms .

The funny part of that neocon dribble is Libya IS much like Syria today! not "would have been"
Get out of here with your revisionism bull crap.

I've already shown you the Blue Helmets were peacekeepers,but could not have been inserted in Tripoli post Qadaffi or Bengazi or Sirte = because they are not cops.

"Militia rule" -do you know what that was? Whole cities as well as local neighborhoods were lawless.
They had to pay local warlords/tribal leaders or political factions to keep local order.

The Blue Helmets cannot survive in Syria,and they cannot survive in post-Qaddafi Libya.
It's a pipe dream
 
That reads like a Hillary Clinton campaign platform. it's excuse making for the neocons -nothing else.
Qaddafi offered passage to Egypt from anyone in Bengazi who would lay down their arms .

The funny part of that neocon dribble is Libya IS much like Syria today! not "would have been"
Get out of here with your revisionism bull crap.

I've already shown you the Blue Helmets were peacekeepers,but could not have been inserted in Tripoli post Qadaffi or Bengazi or Sirte = because they are not cops.

"Militia rule" -do you know what that was? Whole cities as well as local neighborhoods were lawless.
They had to pay local warlords/tribal leaders or political factions to keep local order.

The Blue Helmets cannot survive in Syria,and they cannot survive in post-Qaddafi Libya.
It's a pipe dream
Qaddafi could never be trusted on anything, You are far too gullible to my eyes. Although they did need something more robust than Blue Helmets though.

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Qaddafi could never be trusted on anything, You are far too gullible to my eyes. Although they did need something more robust than Blue Helmets though.
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the thing is..the west was never going to do anything but bomb Libya.
It's a cowardly war to do so -no risk ( no "boots") and no matter how it goes, they just stop bombing and leave their destruction in their rear view mirror -while the Libyans struggle with the aftermath.

LIBsirtebombed.jpg

^Sirte ( notice sign in upper right)

http://www.activistpost.com/2011/11/bad-moon-rising-over-great-sirte-bay.html
Yes but remember, and for sure we admit this, without NATO we would not have lasted one month. Please don’t think we are in love with NATO although many Libyans seem to want our country to join NATO and some in NATO and our interim government want this also. NATO knows that our country could be a perfect AFRICOM base to re-colonize Africa and end progressive projects for African countries.
Please do not think we are not aware of what NATO countries want from Libya and our neighbors. They want from Libya and this whole region oil and natural resources, they want military bases on our soil, and they want us to accept Israel. How they plan to achieve all this is by getting Arabs to fight and kill Arabs and Muslims to fight and kill Muslims.

One of the law professors added:

As we saw these past months the US and their allies will try to limit the Western countries role to providing support from the sky with bombs and drones and special units and without sending their regular troops. This is the NATO plan and we saw it clearly in our country and perhaps we will see it again in Syria in a different form.
 
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