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If you want peace in Libya, shun partition and embrace power-sharing (Middle East Eye)
http://www.middleeasteye.net/column...artition-and-embrace-power-sharing-1378520098

This week, his name came to be associated with a plan to partition Libya into the three Ottoman provinces of Tripolitania, Cyrenaica and Fezzan, as the Guardian reported. Gorka’s plan, the British newspaper wrote, was drawn on a napkin in front of a bewildered European diplomat.

This rudimentary partition plan could be part of the casual approach to policy-making of many members of the Trump administration and, as such, it should not be overemphasised.

Even though Gorka may be vying for the job of US special envoy to Libya, other names are circulating too and the former Breitbart editor may fall victim to the growing marginalisation of those who came to the White House under the umbrella of Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief ideologue, now demoted from the National Security Council.

Yet, Gorka’s plan raises two issues which are worth discussing. First, in looking at the policies of external actors on Libya, one has to look at the relationship between pursuing Libya’s territorial integrity and pursuing de-escalation. Partition is sometimes presented as the only solution capable of avoiding further conflict, but in Libya’s case it could be just the trigger for a much worse conflict.

The second issue that emerges from this story is that the direction of American policy on Libya is still unclear, three months into the Trump administration.
Attractive talk, terrible idea

The idea that the solution to Libya’s problems is to get back to three Ottoman provinces of Tripolitania, Cyrenaica and Fezzan surfaces every now and then, mostly with analysts and politicians (often from the former colonial power) who have a superficial knowledge of the country.

Analyst Geoff Porter explained why this is a bad idea, but suffice to say that partition has been tried next door in Sudan and has not achieved peace but rather the opposite of that.

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Most importantly, the boundaries of Libya’s three regions are also unclear, particularly those between Tripolitania in the West and Cyrenaica in the East. In most cases, Libyans would draw this border somewhere east of Sirte, in the middle of the so-called Oil Crescent, the region where most of Libya’s oil exports transit and which has been the object of several military offensives in recent weeks.

To put it simply, going for partition would mean igniting a conflict over the border between two of the three new states in a region that has already seen fighting over the control of key natural resources, Libya’s only wealth as things stand. Talk of partition can be very attractive for mercenaries and arms dealers, but should be shunned by peacemakers.

Instead of taking decisions on Libya’s territorial integrity on behalf of the Libyans, internationals should support Libyan-led initiatives that grapple with core drivers of the conflict, including the fair distribution of resources. If the US, Europe and Libya’s neighbours want to help stabilise Libya, they should support Libyans who are discussing how to share the country’s wealth, not how to fight over it.
Share the wealth

For some time, former stabilisation minister and World Bank country director Ahmed Jehani, young Libyan economists and analysts like Hammam Alfasi, Abdul Rahman Al Ageli and Hala Bugaigis have been putting forward plans for a Libyan Economic Agreement (LEA) to make the stalled Libyan Political Agreement (LPA) workable.

The LEA would establish fundamental principles focusing on equal access to resources by all citizens in order to promote rights and overcome the rentier state established by Gaddafi. The LEA would essentially safeguard the unity of key sovereign institutions like the National Oil Company and Central Bank by widely devolving political and economic power locally.

Alongside distribution of the wealth, many Libyans have grappled with the issue of how to devolve power from the centre to the periphery, through either decentralisation focused on city councils or federalism based on regions.

The second idea is at the heart of the federalist movement very active in Cyrenaica and with some elected members in the House of Representatives in Tobruk. The most detailed plan in English is still Karim Mezran and Mohammed Eljarh’s “Case for a New Federalism in Libya”.

Cyrenaican federalists are one of the key constituencies backing General Khalifa Haftar, but it is still unclear how their goal of increased autonomy for the eastern region fits with Haftar's plans to control the whole country.

Decentralisation at the municipal level has had better political fortunes. Libya’s revolution in 2011 was, among other things, a “municipal revolution” with city-based military councils and community-based armed groups leading the fight against Gaddafi under the loose umbrella of the National Transitional Council.

Similarly, after Gaddafi’s fall, governments in Tripoli have been always weak. Some, like the current Presidency Council headed by Fayez Seraj, were weaker than others.

Partition risks encouraging the appetite of warlords and external powers while decentralisation of power could acknowledge that statehood and citizenship in Libya have to be built bottom-up, without infringing on the need to have central institutions, instead building them on more solid social and political foundations.
it is worth hoping that US policy-makers will deal with the issue of “how many Libyas” by focusing on what can really favour de-escalation and reconciliation rather than relying on ill-informed plans.
 
Another Degree of Suffering in Libya
Libya has become a vortex of human suffering, sucking in thousands of desperate migrants. They cross the Sahara to escape war, terrorism and destitution. Upon arrival many are held hostage by traffickers and starved, beaten and tortured. Now comes yet another level of horror, with the revelation that some are being publicly
sold as slaves, according to reports by the International Organization for Migration documented this past weekend.

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A migrant woman at the Tariq Al-Matar detention center on the outskirts of Tripoli.

None of this would be possible if not for the political chaos in Libya since the civil war in 2011, when — with the involvement of a NATO coalition that included the United States — Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi was toppled. Migrants have become the gold that finances Libya’s warring factions.

Dismantling the country’s human trafficking industry is one goal of a 90 million-euro ($95 million) program adopted by the European Union Trust Fund for Africa on Wednesday. For African migrants in Libya, help cannot come soon enough.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson voiced support for a Group of 7 statement on Monday calling for swift political reconciliation in Libya. If the United States is sincere about helping, it should step back from the administration’s proposal to cut aid to Africa. The United Nation-sponsored Libyan government of Fayez Serraj also needs to do its part in what must be a joint effort by concerned countries that places the welfare of African migrants foremost.
 
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date palms -Libya desert

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Roman theater Leptis Magna

High Quality stock photos
https://www.robertharding.com/index...de=0&zoom=1&display=5&sortby=1&bgcolour=white

Libya is an ancient crossroads of civilisations that bequeathed to the Libyan coast some of the finest Roman and Greek ruins in existence, among them Leptis Magna, Cyrene and Sabratha. Libya also has some of the most beautiful corners of the Sahara Desert, from seas of sand the size of Switzerland and sheltering palm-fringed lakes (the Ubari Sand Sea) to remote massifs adorned with prehistoric rock art (the Jebel Acacus), labyrinthine caravan towns (Ghadames) and an isolated black-as-black volcano (Wawa al-Namus) in the desert's heart.

The upheaval caused by Libya’s revolution in 2011 and 2012 continues and the whole country remains off-limits to travellers with chronic instability and ongoing conflict.
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/libya/introduction
 
The Desert War of World War II

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Three unidentified New Zealand soldiers on the Derna Road in Tobruk during the advance into Libya

North Africa was a major theater of operations in World War II, and the war shifted three times across the face of Cyrenaica, a region described by one German general as a "tactician's paradise and a quartermaster's hell" because there were no natural defense positions between Al Agheila and Al Alamein to obstruct the tanks that fought fluid battles in the desert like warships at sea, and there was only one major highway on the coast along which to supply the quick-moving armies. The Italians invaded Egypt in September 1940, but the drive stalled at Sidi Barrani for want of logistical support. British Empire forces of the Army of the Nile, under General Archibald Wavell, counterattacked sharply in December, advancing as far as Tobruk by the end of the month. In February 1941, the Italian Tenth Army surrendered, netting Wavell 150,000 prisoners and leaving all of Cyrenaica in British hands. At no time during the campaign did Wavell have more than two full divisions at his disposal against as many as ten Italian divisions.

In March and April, Axis forces, stiffened by the arrival of the German Afrika Korps commanded by Lieutenant General Erwin Rommel, launched an offensive into Cyrenaica that cut off British troops at Tobruk. The battle seesawed back and forth in the desert as Rommel attempted to stabilize his lines along the Egyptian frontier before dealing with Tobruk in his rear, but in November British Eighth Army commander General Claude Auchinleck caught him off balance with a thrust into Cyrenaica that succeeded in relieving Tobruk, where the garrison had held out for seven months behind its defense perimeter. Auchinleck's offensive failed in its second objective--cutting off Rommel from his line of retreat.

Rommel pulled back in good order to Al Agheila, where his troops refitted for a new offensive in January 1942 that was intended to take the Axis forces to the Suez Canal. Rommel's initial attack was devastating in its boldness and swiftness. Cyrenaica had been retaken by June; Tobruk fell in a day. Rommel drove into Egypt, but his offensive was halted at Al Alamein, 100 kilometers from Alexandria. The opposing armies settled down into a stalemate in the desert as British naval and air power interdicted German convoys and road transport, gradually starving Rommel of supplies and reinforcements.

Late in October the Eighth Army, under the command of General Bernard Montgomery, broke through the Axis lines at Al Alamein in a massive offensive that sent German and Italian forces into a headlong retreat. The liberation of Cyrenaica was completed for the second time in November. Tripoli fell to the British in January 1943, and by mid-February the last Axis troops had been driven from Libya.
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German Afrika Korps at the Battle of Tobruk, 1941
 
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If you want peace in Libya, shun partition and embrace power-sharing (Middle East Eye)
http://www.middleeasteye.net/column...artition-and-embrace-power-sharing-1378520098

This week, his name came to be associated with a plan to partition Libya into the three Ottoman provinces of Tripolitania, Cyrenaica and Fezzan, as the Guardian reported. Gorka’s plan, the British newspaper wrote, was drawn on a napkin in front of a bewildered European diplomat.

This rudimentary partition plan could be part of the casual approach to policy-making of many members of the Trump administration and, as such, it should not be overemphasised.

Even though Gorka may be vying for the job of US special envoy to Libya, other names are circulating too and the former Breitbart editor may fall victim to the growing marginalisation of those who came to the White House under the umbrella of Steve Bannon, Trump’s chief ideologue, now demoted from the National Security Council.

Yet, Gorka’s plan raises two issues which are worth discussing. First, in looking at the policies of external actors on Libya, one has to look at the relationship between pursuing Libya’s territorial integrity and pursuing de-escalation. Partition is sometimes presented as the only solution capable of avoiding further conflict, but in Libya’s case it could be just the trigger for a much worse conflict.

The second issue that emerges from this story is that the direction of American policy on Libya is still unclear, three months into the Trump administration.
Attractive talk, terrible idea

The idea that the solution to Libya’s problems is to get back to three Ottoman provinces of Tripolitania, Cyrenaica and Fezzan surfaces every now and then, mostly with analysts and politicians (often from the former colonial power) who have a superficial knowledge of the country.

Analyst Geoff Porter explained why this is a bad idea, but suffice to say that partition has been tried next door in Sudan and has not achieved peace but rather the opposite of that.

Gorka.MEE_.jpg


Most importantly, the boundaries of Libya’s three regions are also unclear, particularly those between Tripolitania in the West and Cyrenaica in the East. In most cases, Libyans would draw this border somewhere east of Sirte, in the middle of the so-called Oil Crescent, the region where most of Libya’s oil exports transit and which has been the object of several military offensives in recent weeks.

To put it simply, going for partition would mean igniting a conflict over the border between two of the three new states in a region that has already seen fighting over the control of key natural resources, Libya’s only wealth as things stand. Talk of partition can be very attractive for mercenaries and arms dealers, but should be shunned by peacemakers.

Instead of taking decisions on Libya’s territorial integrity on behalf of the Libyans, internationals should support Libyan-led initiatives that grapple with core drivers of the conflict, including the fair distribution of resources. If the US, Europe and Libya’s neighbours want to help stabilise Libya, they should support Libyans who are discussing how to share the country’s wealth, not how to fight over it.
Share the wealth

For some time, former stabilisation minister and World Bank country director Ahmed Jehani, young Libyan economists and analysts like Hammam Alfasi, Abdul Rahman Al Ageli and Hala Bugaigis have been putting forward plans for a Libyan Economic Agreement (LEA) to make the stalled Libyan Political Agreement (LPA) workable.

The LEA would establish fundamental principles focusing on equal access to resources by all citizens in order to promote rights and overcome the rentier state established by Gaddafi. The LEA would essentially safeguard the unity of key sovereign institutions like the National Oil Company and Central Bank by widely devolving political and economic power locally.

Alongside distribution of the wealth, many Libyans have grappled with the issue of how to devolve power from the centre to the periphery, through either decentralisation focused on city councils or federalism based on regions.

The second idea is at the heart of the federalist movement very active in Cyrenaica and with some elected members in the House of Representatives in Tobruk. The most detailed plan in English is still Karim Mezran and Mohammed Eljarh’s “Case for a New Federalism in Libya”.

Cyrenaican federalists are one of the key constituencies backing General Khalifa Haftar, but it is still unclear how their goal of increased autonomy for the eastern region fits with Haftar's plans to control the whole country.

Decentralisation at the municipal level has had better political fortunes. Libya’s revolution in 2011 was, among other things, a “municipal revolution” with city-based military councils and community-based armed groups leading the fight against Gaddafi under the loose umbrella of the National Transitional Council.

Similarly, after Gaddafi’s fall, governments in Tripoli have been always weak. Some, like the current Presidency Council headed by Fayez Seraj, were weaker than others.

Partition risks encouraging the appetite of warlords and external powers while decentralisation of power could acknowledge that statehood and citizenship in Libya have to be built bottom-up, without infringing on the need to have central institutions, instead building them on more solid social and political foundations.
it is worth hoping that US policy-makers will deal with the issue of “how many Libyas” by focusing on what can really favour de-escalation and reconciliation rather than relying on ill-informed plans.
Should the factions all have their space~divide it up??
 
Should the factions all have their space~divide it up??
they need at least a federation with oil revenue sharing.
But that's the million dollar question -if not a central government out of Tripoli; how will they power share?
Autonomous regions tend to break into "militia rule" (* for lack of a better term)=not recognizing any central authority
 
Sadly not much has changed............. Do you still hold out hope for a resolution/cooperation??
6 years since our regime change of Qaddafi-4 years almost since full scale open civil war amoung the entire countrys factions/governments..
I don't know.. Hiftar is considered the strongman, but he has no real authority outside the east...

All I sadly see is more of the same Bill
 
President of the U.S. Donald Trump has said that his country should not play any role in bringing peace and stability to Libya, according to a report by the CNN on Thursday.

Trump met with the Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni in the White House Thursday and in a joint press conference stressed that the US must no longer have anything to do with the Libyan conflict.

"I do not see a role in Libya and I think the United States has right now enough roles," Trump said, according to CNN.

Gentiloni called the US role in Libya "critical." just minutes before Trump got on the mic and said otherwise, as he was not even wearing his earpieces to have English translation of what the Italian PM had to say.
 
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Omar Al-Mukhtar University in Al-Bayda city eastern Libya

A female student at Omar Al-Mukhtar university’s art and humanities faculty in Al-Bayda city, eastern Libya, hanged herself in one of the toilets in the faculty on Saturday, according to sources from the university.

The university student who was named with the initials (M.A.A) was rushed to the hospital when found hanging in the toilet by her colleagues, but it was too late as she had already passed away.

The university of Omar Al-Mukhtar issued an obituary statement offering condolences for the student’s family and announcing three days of mourning at the university with suspension of study.

This new suicide case brings the number up to over 10 as announced by the minister of health of the eastern government of Abdullah Al-Thinni, who also ordered pedagogical specialists and psychologists to be in constant contact with the families of the suicide victims and those who were able to survive as well.

Meanwhile, a state of mind-absence is descending on the city of Al-Bayda with different conclusions as to what could be the reason for the growing number of suicides only since the beginning of March 2017, reaching over 11 with the new case, including a nine-year-old child.

At one point, the eastern government blamed Charlie Charlie game for the suicides, then it said “our teams are still investigating into the horrendous cases.”
http://www.libyanexpress.com/girl-hangs-herself-dead-as-mysterious-suicides-sweep-eastern-libya/
 
The accord committee at the Constitution Drafting Assembly (CDA) has devised a new draft for the Libyan long-awaited constitution and has given it the name "A proposal for a concord draft for Libya's constitution," with 195 articles.

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Dignity Operation forces have banned players of Tripoli-based Al-Ittehad Football Club from entering the eastern city of Derna to play a friendly match with local club Darnus, causing frustration and disappointment for local fans who were eagerly waiting for the game to celebrate ISIS defeat.

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Easterners in Derna city celebrated on Friday the first anniversary of defeating IS militants and liberating their city. The celebration took place at the Sahaba square in the presence of Derna security department and security forces of Derna Shura Council, who were securing the event and the locals at the celebration for fear any violation of the security takes place.

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A Benghazi female student, living in the eastern city of Bayda, has hanged herself inside her university campus, Bayda Media Center reported on Saturday.

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President of Chechnya Ramadan Kadyrov has carried out talks with the Libyan delegation of Al-Bonyan Al-Marsoos in Moscow over the Russian cargo ship detained in Libyan waters since 5 March.

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The President of the U.S. Donald Trump has said that his country should not play any role in bringing peace and stability to Libya, according to a report by the CNN on Thursday. Trump met with the Italian Prime Minister Paolo Gentiloni in the White House Thursday and in a joint press conference stressed that the US must no longer have anything to do with the Libyan conflict.

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UNICEF has launched a competition that will pick the best child-friendly municipality in Libya under the auspices of the European Union and the Local Governing Ministry. This initiative aims at taking more care of child rights and protection in Libya.

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Man-Made River administration said water supplies have been cut off in the cities of the western mountain in Libya due to a leakage in Water Track 21 after one local damaged the valves. It added that repairing teams are trying to fix the issue.

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Audit Bureau's Head sack Central Bank of Libya's clerk, Riyad Omran, for hindering the bureau's work accessibility.

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UK signed with Danish demining company DDG Mine Action a program that aims to support and develop the capabilities of Libyan relevant authorities in deactivating mines and explosives. UK's ambassador, Peter Millett tweeted after the signing saying they were honored by the support of the Danish company for Libya in this field, adding that it would help save the lives of many people across the country.

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Italian Interior Minister, Marco Minniti, said they will hand over the 10 boats they are seizing to Libya by mid-June as part of the efforts to fight illegal immigration and human trafficking. He added, while attending a commencement ceremony for Libyan coastguards, that Libyan Coast Guard will be the most prepared and strongest against human trafficking in north Africa.

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Audit Bureau, Administrative Control Authority and Anti-Corruption Authority held their first meeting in Tripoli on Thursday discussing the mechanism of distributing commodities to Libyans at the official prices and also reviewed a plan that aims at fighting monopoly in the market.

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Brega port clerks shut down work on Friday until a further notice, sources from transportation ministry said a group of protesters shut the port down in protest of dismissal of the port's chief, Abdeladeem Abukhamada and his assistant by eastern military governor Abdelraziq Al-Nathori.

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The Algerian Minister of Maghreb and African Affairs finished his formal visit to Libya by stopping by the Head of Presidential Council Fayez Al-Sirraj in Tripoli. Al-Sirraj and he both discussed the political development and hindrances in Libya, stressing that the dialogue between Libyans must be held in Libya.

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National Oil Corporation said Al-Feel oilfield is still closed and the state of force majeure has not been lifted yet as it could not regain operations without being connected to Sharara oilfield, which is still shut due to the closure of Rayayna oil pipeline. The NOC reiterated its call for the unconditional reopening of all oilfields and pipelines as their closure is damaging Libya's economy.
 
cording to the Pentagon.

Major media outlets, most politicians from both sides of the aisle and irascible war-hawk writers applauded the Trump administration's strike with gusto.
The uniformity with which the commentariat has embraced the attack hearkens back to six years ago, when many of these same people and publications cheered as NATO overthrew Libya's government, plunging the oil-rich North African nation into chaos from which it is still reeling.

The 2011 war in Libya was justified in the name of supposed humanitarian intervention, but it was a war for regime change, plain and simple. A report released by the British House of Commons' bipartisan Foreign Affairs Committee in 2016 acknowledged that the intervention was sold on lies — but by the time it was published, the damage was already done.

Today, Libya is in complete ruins. There is no functioning central authority for swaths of the country; multiple governments compete for control. The genocidal extremist group ISIS has, in Libya, carved out its largest so-called caliphate outside of Iraq and Syria.

Perhaps most striking of all is the fact there are now open slave markets in Libya, where black African migrants are bought and sold. Moreover, women have been banned from traveling on their own in the eastern part of the country, which is under the control of a warlord with longtime ties to the CIA.

Far from "freeing" Libyans, NATO regime change pulled them back centuries. And, in the meantime, thousands of refugees and migrants have lost their lives, sinking into the murky water off the coast.

A coalition of neoconservatives and liberal interventionists helped sell NATO's war to the public, in the lead-up to and during the intervention in 2011. Since then, many of the NATO war's most vociferous advocates have fallen silent, avoiding any accountability for their colossal errors of judgment and imperial zeal. Virtually no one has expressed contrition.

Given the impunity pro-war pundits have joined, war after war, it's no surprise that many of the same figures that cheered Libya's systematic destruction are ginnig up a new war of regime change, this time in Syria.

AlterNet has compiled a list of the big-name pundits and newspapers that helped sell regime change in Libya, and are doing the same now for Syria.

This is part one of a two-part series. Part one identifies the major regime change pundits; part two looks at the editorial boards of some of the top newspapers that justified military intervention in Libya and Syria,
explaining how they got absolutely everything wrong.
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/media-pundits-libya-syria-regime-change

it goes on to name the pundits and traces their wear-hawking wrongness now ginning up Syrian intervention.
It's interesting if you want to read the ramblings of neocons and neolibs *blech*
< - my comment
 
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Members of a brigade loyal to the Fajr Libya (Libya Dawn), an alliance of Islamist-backed fighters.
https://www.rt.com/news/385349-libya-arms-embargo-russia/

The “uncertain” political situation as well as a dire security situation in Libya make any proposals concerning the full or even partial lifting of the arms embargo imposed against the nation “premature,” Russia’s incumbent UN envoy, Pyotr Ilyichev, said.
Last year, western powers, including the US, considered partially lifting the embargo to help the UN-backed government in Tripoli tackle security challenges in the war-torn state.
 
cording to the Pentagon.

Major media outlets, most politicians from both sides of the aisle and irascible war-hawk writers applauded the Trump administration's strike with gusto.
The uniformity with which the commentariat has embraced the attack hearkens back to six years ago, when many of these same people and publications cheered as NATO overthrew Libya's government, plunging the oil-rich North African nation into chaos from which it is still reeling.

The 2011 war in Libya was justified in the name of supposed humanitarian intervention, but it was a war for regime change, plain and simple. A report released by the British House of Commons' bipartisan Foreign Affairs Committee in 2016 acknowledged that the intervention was sold on lies — but by the time it was published, the damage was already done.

Today, Libya is in complete ruins. There is no functioning central authority for swaths of the country; multiple governments compete for control. The genocidal extremist group ISIS has, in Libya, carved out its largest so-called caliphate outside of Iraq and Syria.

Perhaps most striking of all is the fact there are now open slave markets in Libya, where black African migrants are bought and sold. Moreover, women have been banned from traveling on their own in the eastern part of the country, which is under the control of a warlord with longtime ties to the CIA.

Far from "freeing" Libyans, NATO regime change pulled them back centuries. And, in the meantime, thousands of refugees and migrants have lost their lives, sinking into the murky water off the coast.

A coalition of neoconservatives and liberal interventionists helped sell NATO's war to the public, in the lead-up to and during the intervention in 2011. Since then, many of the NATO war's most vociferous advocates have fallen silent, avoiding any accountability for their colossal errors of judgment and imperial zeal. Virtually no one has expressed contrition.

Given the impunity pro-war pundits have joined, war after war, it's no surprise that many of the same figures that cheered Libya's systematic destruction are ginnig up a new war of regime change, this time in Syria.

AlterNet has compiled a list of the big-name pundits and newspapers that helped sell regime change in Libya, and are doing the same now for Syria.

This is part one of a two-part series. Part one identifies the major regime change pundits; part two looks at the editorial boards of some of the top newspapers that justified military intervention in Libya and Syria,
explaining how they got absolutely everything wrong.
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/media-pundits-libya-syria-regime-change

it goes on to name the pundits and traces their wear-hawking wrongness now ginning up Syrian intervention.
It's interesting if you want to read the ramblings of neocons and neolibs *blech*
< - my comment
Seriously don't use Alternet, it is even worse than Breitbart!!

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Seriously don't use Alternet, it is even worse than Breitbart!!
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i would ask if you want to comment on the thread, to comment -and not just impeach the source.
that's a personal please from me, as well as reducing down the quotes.
I would like this thread to be as readable as possible - I try to keep my posting down to minimal extraneous
words.
If you link it (source) -you can see the various "pundits" described and their mindless neocon hawkishness
for Libya now extends to Syria..same thing (regime change) different war -and it uses their own article/words to impeach their neocon/neolib madness
 
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