PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
they were........and things are better under Trump than they were under Obama......
Life Under Trump
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they were........and things are better under Trump than they were under Obama......
im familiar with the song, but you are wrong on the demise of steel in that it's been trending bad since then too
Trending bad?
Bethlehem steel is gone. As in totaly gone, doesn't exist anymore.
The Bessemer process is over, it is all mini mills now.
They built too many mini mills, they are competing with themselves. Tarrifs on China isn't going to change that.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
the sad reality is most lib'ruls will spend their entire lives under Trump......
Change Chinas behavior? We created it. The Chinese economic miracle was caused by American companies moving there, lock, stock and intellectual property to get low wages and no environmental laws. All the systems and methods we had arrived at by generations of trial and terror, were given away for short term profits. They don't care about American workers , America or the environment. Just selfish pricks trying to pile as much money as possible. A few years ago if you took a computer to China you could go to jail. They were a communist country and our enemy. Corporations ignored that and just moved. So the Repubs gave them tax breaks for moving.
cawacko
Well-known member
China is selfish pricks because they were happy we wanted to offshore our low end manufacturing? What environmental protections did the U.S. have our first two centuries of existence? im not sure if you're familiar with how many countries have advanced economically.
But you didn't answer the question of how Bernie or Hillary would have reacted differently to china
I believe it's closer to 4%, but that is "unfinished" steels. Chinese steels are also imported by other countries who "finish" it, then export it here.
The liberal porn actresses, perhaps.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
nah, folks like you.......because you obviously can't get over him.........
Okay...I can acknowledge when someone makes a clever remark...even if it is someone like you.
Your remark was clever, PP. I actually laughed out loud when I read it.
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I was hoping someone would come along and provide the set up......thanks for that.......
Touche'.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello cawacko,
That will have to remain unknown but whatever it may have been it would have been conducted with elan, grace, and a sensitivity for working people, and international harmony.
President Trump went to China and got buttered up with pomp and circumstance. So dazzled was he, that he forgot about the book he paid somebody else to write for him: 'The Art Of The Deal.' What kind of 'deal' did he come back with? What? He came back empty-handed? THIS? This is the great deal negotiator? Why, he got us such a great deal the whole country forgot to notice.
What an oaf.
Anything realistic would have to be negotiated, not surprise-imposed without any discussion. And whatever needed to be done, it needed to be phased in gradually so as not to rock the world markets and set off retaliatory anti-USA tariffs.
Trump just started a trade war. Nobody wins a trade war. Here's how a trade war goes. You cut away at each other until it looks like a bloodbath. Both sides lose. The sides that bleeds slightly less than the other declares themselves the 'winner,' even though they suffered tragic negative economic impact. Inflation, job loss, recession, skyrocketing debt and despair are the result of a trade war. A completely idiotic thing to do.
That will have to remain unknown but whatever it may have been it would have been conducted with elan, grace, and a sensitivity for working people, and international harmony.
President Trump went to China and got buttered up with pomp and circumstance. So dazzled was he, that he forgot about the book he paid somebody else to write for him: 'The Art Of The Deal.' What kind of 'deal' did he come back with? What? He came back empty-handed? THIS? This is the great deal negotiator? Why, he got us such a great deal the whole country forgot to notice.
What an oaf.
Anything realistic would have to be negotiated, not surprise-imposed without any discussion. And whatever needed to be done, it needed to be phased in gradually so as not to rock the world markets and set off retaliatory anti-USA tariffs.
Trump just started a trade war. Nobody wins a trade war. Here's how a trade war goes. You cut away at each other until it looks like a bloodbath. Both sides lose. The sides that bleeds slightly less than the other declares themselves the 'winner,' even though they suffered tragic negative economic impact. Inflation, job loss, recession, skyrocketing debt and despair are the result of a trade war. A completely idiotic thing to do.
Guno צְבִי
We fight, We win
Well they will always have their MAGA hats
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
As one guy here says: MAGA = Many Are Getting Arrested. lol
cawacko
Well-known member
What is "sensitivity" for working people? Unions, for example, are considered pro working people right? Yet unions have long supported tariffs and protectionism. Are unions and working people ardent free traders all of a sudden?
And how do you gradually phase in tariffs?
And look what Bernie and Hillary said on the campaign trail vis a vis China and intellectual property. Why are there Congressional Democrats supporting this move?
And don't mistake my questions as support for Trump. i'm asking based on these Chinese intellectual property tariffs were exactky what many had called for previously but now seem to be against because they don't like the person doing it.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello cawacko,
Sensitivity for working people is not doing something that is going to negatively impact them without careful consideration and an attempt to ease any changes in slowly enough to give everybody a chance to adjust.
Life has gotten rougher for working people over the decades. The powers to be have made change after change making it more and more difficult to have a middle class life. This has been no mistake. It has been purposeful taking. The greedy rich and powerful, not satisfied with having more than everybody else, have been using everything at their disposal to increase their wealth. All too often this has meant attacking the rights and power of the working class to earn a reasonable income and have a modern comfortable life. Make no mistake about it at all.
Capitalism has been conducting a Class War.
'Sensitivity' would be embracing something completely unknown to the greedy rich class warriors: Altruism.
Sensitivity for working people is not doing something that is going to negatively impact them without careful consideration and an attempt to ease any changes in slowly enough to give everybody a chance to adjust.
Life has gotten rougher for working people over the decades. The powers to be have made change after change making it more and more difficult to have a middle class life. This has been no mistake. It has been purposeful taking. The greedy rich and powerful, not satisfied with having more than everybody else, have been using everything at their disposal to increase their wealth. All too often this has meant attacking the rights and power of the working class to earn a reasonable income and have a modern comfortable life. Make no mistake about it at all.
Capitalism has been conducting a Class War.
'Sensitivity' would be embracing something completely unknown to the greedy rich class warriors: Altruism.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello ThatOwlWoman,
This is good:
Not working out very well at all, thanks.
The things you mentioned are but a tip of the inflation iceberg. 9/10's of it is underwater. And underwater is what a lot of people are going to be on their home loans when the fit hits the shan.
You can only 'win' a trade war if you have billions to lose. Do we know anybody like that?
This is good:
Not working out very well at all, thanks.
The things you mentioned are but a tip of the inflation iceberg. 9/10's of it is underwater. And underwater is what a lot of people are going to be on their home loans when the fit hits the shan.
You can only 'win' a trade war if you have billions to lose. Do we know anybody like that?
cawacko
Well-known member
Unions are "sensitive" to working people right? Unions have long supported tariffs and protectionism. Bernie and Hillary campaigned that China's intellectual property theft was hurting American workers. Yet now all of a sudden a tariff on china for that is bad? Help me out here and tell me how this isn't just tribalism.
ThatOwlWoman
Leftist Vermin
I suspect that Twittler has a lot fewer billions than he pretends to. He's in hock up to his (dyed) eyebrows in debt to the Russians.