looking for liberal input

SR_ said:
I was curious to read some liberal points of view concerning this new liberal induced stratospheric rise in our projected deficits and publicly held debt.

As jobless claims keep rising, our banks have been nationalized, with the talk of ever increasing taxation, government run health care options, etc...

Is everything working out like you had hoped? Congress has been in your control since 2007... you now have the White House... we've never been in worse shape since the great depression, unemployment hasnt been this high in 25 years... and it looks as though everyone is forcasting the situation to get worse.

I was just curious to know what the left thought about the future? Higher taxation? Larger government deficits? .... is this really what you wanted?

SR
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Well how about an objective answer from an objectivist. How can you answer a question based on a false premis? Actually, you're question is based on a lie on your part. The facts are, that our stratospheric deficits, as you've termed them, have been induced by conservatives. The greatest levels of deficit spending have occured during the Reagan and Bush II administrations. Obama's deficit spending began as a legacy from Bush II he inherited. So, due to the basic and inherit dishonesty of your question no one will be able to give you the answer that you want to hear. The truth is, we are in a deficit and economic mess due to the failure of the reactionary economic policies of politicians radical wingnuts like you have supported.
 
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Onceler said:
Actually, some of the things you listed are being presented as short-term remedies.

What I wanted was a policy that would end the downward spiral, restore confidence & get people back to work. I also wanted topics like healthcare (and no - I have yet to see a plan where the gov't "runs" healthcare), education, the environment and domestic/alternative energy to get back to the forefront of our national priorities.

We'll have to re-visit the success of the economic policy in about a year; if it fails, you'll get what you want, and I have little doubt that the GOP will win Congress back. I'm more optimistic on that, of course.

Notwithstanding that the jury is still out on that, yes, this is exactly what I wanted...
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I have to agree with that. To use an analogy, with some exceptions, I'm going to give a President 2 years before I assess their progress. 6 months is to short a time for any policy being implemented to have a major impact. If were in the same economic mess in a year and a half, then Obama will own that mess, until then, people like SR are just being partisan hacks.
 
the correct answer is somewhere between you extreembots.
Obama owns the economy NOW. Sure Bush screwed the pooch, and dems make sure to keep blaming it entirely on him which show the usually lacking economic expertise on the lib side.
Obama can not attack nearly every industry and have the economy prosper PERIOD.
 
Topspin said:
the correct answer is somewhere between you extreembots.
Obama owns the economy NOW. Sure Bush screwed the pooch, and dems make sure to keep blaming it entirely on him which show the usually lacking economic expertise on the lib side.
Obama can not attack nearly every industry and have the economy prosper PERIOD.
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does anyone have a better solution than infusing a weak economy with cash

part of the problem is the lack of 'shovel ready' projects and a lack of aggression on the part of the 'czar' in charge of selecting projects to fund

everyone talks about how much money is being allocated instead of how much money is a actually being spent

people are being employed, just not enough yet

one of the reasons for the slowness of doling out funds is that each project has to be examined and tracked to insure visibility of what is being done
 
DonQuixote said:
does anyone have a better solution than infusing a weak economy with cash

part of the problem is the lack of 'shovel ready' projects and a lack of aggression on the part of the 'czar' in charge of selecting projects to fund

everyone talks about how much money is being allocated instead of how much money is a actually being spent

people are being employed, just not enough yet

one of the reasons for the slowness of doling out funds is that each project has to be examined and tracked to insure visibility of what is being done
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Yes. Enact protectionist policies to increase jobs and stimulate the entire economy at all levels. If multinationals don';t like it, they can take a hike. We will create new business to serve all our needs in house. We can do this, and this is what the globalizers fear most, our awareness of our potential for self sufficiency.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Yes. Enact protectionist policies to increase jobs and stimulate the entire economy at all levels. If multinationals don';t like it, they can take a hike. We will create new business to serve all our needs in house. We can do this, and this is what the globalizers fear most, our awareness of our potential for self sufficiency.
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and what happens to our export business when other nations follow suit
 
Watermark said:
We need to abolish tariffs to stimulate the economy.
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No. We need to recharge the savings of working class americans by not outsourcing their jobs. The American Citizenry should contain sufficient biomass to be considered big enough to not fail. Trickle Up economics is best.
 
SR_ said:
I was curious to read some liberal points of view concerning this new liberal induced stratospheric rise in our projected deficits and publicly held debt.

As jobless claims keep rising, our banks have been nationalized, with the talk of ever increasing taxation, government run health care options, etc...

Is everything working out like you had hoped? Congress has been in your control since 2007... you now have the White House... we've never been in worse shape since the great depression, unemployment hasnt been this high in 25 years... and it looks as though everyone is forcasting the situation to get worse.

I was just curious to know what the left thought about the future? Higher taxation? Larger government deficits? .... is this really what you wanted?

SR
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I'm not a liberal, but the flaws in your question and your argument are obvious.

Our banks have not been nationalized in the classical sense. Are you not aware of the difference or did you just say that because it sounds good to you. Was "nationalized banks" a buzzword you just had to get in or do you really not know what a nationalized bank is?

Of course a form of psuedo-nationalization of banks has ben in effect since 1864, but I'm betting Obama wasn't behind that. Then again, as surely everyone knows, a further "nationalization" of American banks occured in 1984, under the God Reagan .. but I'm betting liberals can't be blamed for that either.

If you need help recognizing the pseudo-form of bank nationalization that has existed in America since 1864, go here ...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1881992,00.html

"We've never been in worse shape" .. is ridiculous .. and to claim that whatever shape we're in is Obama's fault is even more ridiculous .. and I'm not an Obama supporter.

Further, you've somehow ignored the fact that your side of the political divide has never been seen more unfavorably with only 25% of Americans viewing what you believe favorably. So no matter what problems Obama has .. and he sure as hell has them .. conservatives can't capitalize on them.

To answer your question, although not as a liberal .. I didn't vote for him, but I'm postive that McCain and the party of no ideas would have been much worse.
 
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SmarterThanYou said:
i think they call that 'free market capitalism'. it's worked in the past.
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The world is less dependent on the US and we are incresingly dependent on the rest of the world.

You can admire and glorify the past all you want but you can't live there.

Question: What does the rest of the world need from the US that it can't get somewhere else?
 
blackascoal said:
I'm not a liberal, but the flaws in your question and your argument are obvious.

Our banks have not been nationalized in the classical sense. Are you not aware of the difference or did you just say that because it sounds good to you. Was "nationalized banks" a buzzword you just had to get in or do you really not know what a nationalized bank is?

Of course a form of psuedo-nationalization of banks has ben in effect since 1864, but I'm betting Obama wasn't behind that. Then again, as surely everyone knows, a further "nationalization" of American banks occured in 1984, under the God Reagan .. but I'm betting liberals can't be blamed for that either.

If you need help recognizing the pseudo-form of bank nationalization that has existed in America since 1864, go here ...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1881992,00.html

"We've never been in worse shape" .. is ridiculous .. and to claim that whatever shape we're in is Obama's fault is even more ridiculous .. and I'm not an Obama supporter.

Further, you've somehow ignored the fact that your side of the political divide has never been seen more unfavorably with only 25% of Americans viewing what you believe favorably. So no matter what problems Obama has .. and he sure as hell has them .. conservatives can't capitalize on them.

To answer your question, although not as a liberal .. I didn't vote for him, but I'm postive that McCain and the party of no ideas would have been much worse.
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Its amazing how defensive the dumbass's get.

There is nothing misleading in my question. There are no flaws.

At some point the left will have to accept that republicans are not only not in power, but that they cant even filibuster. Everything that is happening is OWNED by democrats and the current Administration. EVERYTHING. There isnt anything that has occurred in the last 6 months that isnt entirely the responsibility of the democratic congress and the President of the United States.

Im simply inquiring as to whether the actions taken are desired by the liberals who supported these candidates in the last election cycle.

The deficit has never reached a trillion dollars before. It has now. We've never had such a large budget before. We have now. And yes many of our banks are nationalized.

Too many of you are caught up in trying to escape or assign blame. Im not trying to blame anyone for why the house is on fire, im only asking if the method in which its being put out is acceptable to the liberal side of the aisle.

Some of you just need to calm down.

SR
 
"There is nothing misleading in my question. There are no flaws."

Give me a break. The initial post is typical SR demagoguery. "Is higher unemployment & economic disaster really what you liberals wanted?"

It's so intellectually dishonest to deny that; it isn't even worth debating. When anyone correctly points it out (as you'll see, just about everyone did), they're a "dumbass."
 
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