Looks like America, like many countries before us, has to learn the hard way. What to expect from a Trump presidency, second term.

It is highly corroborated.

In 2020, the Republican-led Senate Homeland Security and Finance Committees reviewed Bobulinski's records related to business dealings with the Biden family. Their final report found "no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing by the former vice president."
The GOP-led Senate Homeland Security and Finance committees immediately requested Bobulinski’s records related to business dealings (including bank records, wire transfers, account balances, gifts, business transactions, and travel records) with Hunter Biden and his family as part of their broader investigation into Hunter Biden. As Fox News reported, “He provided the committees with the documents and Fox News also, separately, obtained those documents.” But after obtaining all these records, Senate Republicans declined to follow up with Bobulinski or investigate the matter further. When they released their final report, Senate Republicans found “no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing by the former vice president.”
The propaganda zombies aren't aware of Bobulinski, which means the only kinds of people who think it has been "discredited" are fools and liars.
See above:
I wonder if your trust in the DOJ will taken a sudden nosedive in January.
I trust the institutional judicial infrastructure that will counter and protect the innocent by whatever unlawful or groundless attempts to go after innocent dems by whoever the AG Trump sycophant is.
Of course it is evidence.
Without corroboration, it is worthless.
rofl, who do you think you're fooling.
Gilliar, the guy who wrote the '10% for the Big Guy' email, though the Big Guy was Joe, he said he did not witness any wrongdoing by Joe Biden
“I would like to clear up any speculation that former Vice President Biden was involved with the 2017 discussions about our potential business structure,” Gilliar told the Wall Street Journal in 2020. “I am unaware of any involvement at anytime of the former vice president. The activity in question never delivered any project revenue.”
"Look, all I heard was 'send him to sleep with the fishes' I didn't see anyone get killed" -> "not evidence"!


You seem a little confused as to the definitions of those words.
Call it whatever you what, but without corroboration, it won't excite even a zealot prosecutor into action against Hunter or Joe.

without corroboration is it worthless, and you have none. If you believe otherwise, provide it.
Witness reports are evidence, and when evidence supports a theory and other evidence also supports that theory then the second piece of evidence corroborates the first and the first corroborates the second.
Without corroboration, they are not conclusive. No, you need more than testimony to corroborate testimony, if testimony is coming from hostile witnesses (because they could have a grudge against Joe or Hunter) In a consensus type testimony, many witnesses from a crowd, that's another thing, but that isn't what this is.
You seem to think you can just say "uncorroborated" every time a new piece of evidence is presented to you, and since you accept no evidence as evidence due to "lack of corroboration" you accept no evidence at all and then there is no corroboration.

You can call it 'evidence', or whatever term endears you the most, it doesn't matter because No prosecutor is going to prosecute without credible corroboration of hostile testimony. The US Attorney's office investigated Hunter Biden for over six years, and did not give one referral on Joe Biden, nor was any evidence produced by Comey and his committee produced against Joe Biden, nor did the US Attorney's office prosecute Hunter Biden for money laundering, influence peddling, or corruption. Note taht Atty David Weiss, the Special Prosecutor, was appointed as US Attorney Delaware by Trump, and during the two years under Trump, he did not prosecute.

You say there is evidence that is conclusive? Then produce it. Believe me, I've looked at all of it, there is no evidence that is conclusive against Joe Biden insofar as doing anything that is unlawful, illegal nor is there any evidence against Hunter that points to money laundering or influence peddling.

There was a lot of hoopla that 'his father knew', but that proves nothing. Moreover, due to the fact that Hunter's biz affairs were in the news, there is no way that Joe could not have known. What we have here is a breakdown in communication, what Joe is not articulating very well is that he doesn't know the ins and outs, the nuts and bolts, the details of is son's biz deals, which is to say that he's not part of them, didn't receive any funds from then,. no deals or arrangements were made, etc. But, insofar as a cursory knowledge, of course he had a cursory knowledge, Hunter was in the news all the time, so this 'gotcha' that Repubs seem to think they have, they don't.
 
In 2020, the Republican-led Senate Homeland Security and Finance Committees reviewed Bobulinski's records related to business dealings with the Biden family. Their final report found "no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing by the former vice president."
Evidence speaks louder than deep state hacks.


I trust the institutional judicial infrastructure that will counter and protect the innocent by whatever unlawful or groundless attempts to go after innocent dems by whoever the AG Trump sycophant is.
Isn't that nice.


Gilliar, the guy who wrote the '10% for the Big Guy' email, though the Big Guy was Joe, he said he did not witness any wrongdoing by Joe Biden
10% for Joe is wrongdoing. Planning for Joe to get 10% is wrongdoing.


You can call it 'evidence', or whatever term endears you the most, it doesn't matter because No prosecutor is going to prosecute without credible corroboration of hostile testimony.
No prosecutor you trust anyway.

You say there is evidence that is conclusive?
No, just that there is a whole lot of it. More than enough to put Biden behind bars if he wasn't protected by the deep state.


Then produce it.
When someone can ignore "10% for the big guy" not even caring if "the big guy" was the vice president making foreign policy in the region, he can ignore anything.


Believe me, I've looked at all of it, there is no evidence that is conclusive against Joe Biden insofar as doing anything that is unlawful, illegal nor is there any evidence against Hunter that points to money laundering or influence peddling.
Despite your request, I still don't believe you.
 
Evidence speaks louder than deep state hacks.
We're talking about legal standards. Your comment is incompetent.
10% for Joe is wrongdoing. Planning for Joe to get 10% is wrongdoing.
It's a claim that hasn't been corroborated. Without it, it's worthless.
No prosecutor you trust anyway.
None has, thus far, even those you trust.
No, just that there is a whole lot of it. More than enough to put Biden behind bars if he wasn't protected by the deep state.
That's interesting, the 'deep state' as you call it, didn't protect Weiner, Blagojevich, Franken, Cuellar, or Menendez,, all Democrats not to mention that the DOJ defended Trump twice in court. Clearly, you are trafficking in a tired trope aka a 'conspiracy theory'.
When someone can ignore "10% for the big guy" not even caring if "the big guy" was the vice president making foreign policy in the region, he can ignore anything.
No, I ignore evidence that isn't conclusive. All you have to do is provide evidence that is conclusive.
Clearly, you do not understand the concept of what is, and what isn't, conclusive.

moreover, YOU are ignoring the following facts:

1. US Attorney Weiss did not prosecute Hunter for 1. Money laundering. 2. influence peddling 3. Corruption.
2. US Attorney Weiss did not dispatch to the DOJ any criminal referrals against Joe Biden.
3. US Attorney Weiss's investigation lasted over 6 years.
4 Two of those 6 years were under Bill Barr/Trump administration.

That is evidence that supports my position, and not yours.
Despite your request, I still don't believe you.
Produce the evidence. You know the old saying, put up or shut up. Shit or get off the pot.
That's' all you have to do. And, I know for a fact you are just blowing smoke.

You can try to debate me, but it is clear to me that
1. You Do not know what you are talking about
2. You traffic in conspiracy theories
3. Your caliber of argument, overall, is incompetent.
4. You do not understand what constitutes conclusive evidence.

But, feel free to prove me wrong.
 
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It is highly corroborated.



The propaganda zombies aren't aware of Bobulinski, which means the only kinds of people who think it has been "discredited" are fools and liars.



I wonder if your trust in the DOJ will taken a sudden nosedive in January.



Of course it is evidence.



rofl, who do you think you're fooling.

"Look, all I heard was 'send him to sleep with the fishes' I didn't see anyone get killed" -> "not evidence"!


You seem a little confused as to the definitions of those words.

Witness reports are evidence, and when evidence supports a theory and other evidence also supports that theory then the second piece of evidence corroborates the first and the first corroborates the second.

You seem to think you can just say "uncorroborated" every time a new piece of evidence is presented to you, and since you accept no evidence as evidence due to "lack of corroboration" you accept no evidence at all and then there is no corroboration.
Historical FACTS that pull the rug out from under your assertions:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTir-7HtNc
 
We're talking about legal standards. Your comment is incompetent.
I'm talking about reality.


It's a claim that hasn't been corroborated. Without it, it's worthless.
It's not a claim, it's digital evidence.


No, I ignore evidence that isn't conclusive.
I doubt that very much. Let's try a diagnostic question: Are the events being called elections in the united states free and fair?

Here is another:
Did Donald Trump rape a woman in a dressing room?



moreover, YOU are ignoring the following facts:

1. US Attorney Weiss did not prosecute Hunter for 1. Money laundering. 2. influence peddling 3. Corruption.
2. US Attorney Weiss did not dispatch to the DOJ any criminal referrals against Joe Biden.
3. US Attorney Weiss's investigation lasted over 6 years.
4 Two of those 6 years were under Bill Barr/Trump administration.

That is evidence that supports my position, and not yours.
I have a picture of the sun. You have a picture of people looking up into a sky out of frame and saying "it's a bird".

You have the picture of the sun, you were the one who brought up "10% for the big guy". You don't care. That is the evidence I need to know that you are not a rational honest person, at least on this subject.
 
I'm talking about reality.
Reality? I'll give you a dose of reality: Your use of the phrase "Deep state hacks" are weasel words (WWs are vague terms which cannot be substantiated which are not conducive to coherent thought or communication which lead to misguided and/or utterly false conclusions), hence my correct conclusion your comment was incompetent.
It's not a claim, it's digital evidence.
Your 'evidence' is: 10% for Joe is wrongdoing. Planning for Joe to get 10% is wrongdoing." Call it "Evidence" if you want, or call it HillBilly On The Moon, call it whatever you want, but what you cannot call it is 'conclusive evidence', and unless you have corroboration to a degree which would make it conclusive, it isn't worth spit.
I doubt that very much. Let's try a diagnostic question: Are the events being called elections in the united states free and fair?
Your question has a false premise. The correct sequence before asking a question with an assumed premise as follows:
1. Identify whether or not your question has an assumed premise, this includes recognizing what the false premise is.
2. If it doesn't, then ask the question.
3. If it does (and yours does) then clear the premise with the person you are putting the question to.
4. once cleared, then ask the question.
Note; By 'cleared' it is meant 'achieve a meeting of mind with the person you are putting the question to, regarding the premise'.

You need to cure #3. once you have done that, THEN, and only then, ask the question.

If you cannot, or are unwilling to do that, then please pester someone else.

You see, only a fool would answer a question with a false premise, and I might be a lot of things, but 'fool' isn't one of them
Here is another:
Did Donald Trump rape a woman in a dressing room?
Refer to the ruling. In the August 7, 2023 ruling by Judge Kaplan, the court declared that the jury in E. Jean Carroll's civil case against Donald Trump had conclusively found that Trump sexually abused Carroll, but it did not make a specific finding that Trump raped her as defined under New York law. The judge stated that the jury's findings were clear and that Trump’s argument to the contrary was meritless. This conclusion upheld the jury's decision in Carroll's favor. You can read about it on page 15 of the court ruling: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24370395/kaplan-august-ruling-trump-counterclaim.pdf

Yeah, I got it, you were trying to corner me or some silly game like that, eh? If you want to debate me, you'll have to up your game.
I have a picture of the sun. You have a picture of people looking up into a sky out of frame and saying "it's a bird".
I have a picture of a thoroughbred horse. You have a blown up picture of the horse's anus and declaring that is the totality of the horse.
You have the picture of the sun, you were the one who brought up "10% for the big guy".
Because Republicans, such as yourself, or those on the right, such as yourself, and your replies confirm the point, that what Gilliar wrote in that email has been claimed by those on the right to be evidence. My counter is that it is not worth anything without corroboration. Let's go back to my comment which included this link:


But after obtaining all these records, Senate Republicans declined to follow up with Bobulinski or investigate the matter further. When they released their final report, Senate Republicans found “no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing by the former vice president.”

No 'evidence'. You are claiming it is evidence. My rebuttal is you can call it anything you want, but unless that 'evidence' is corroborated, you have nothing. Zilch, zip. Nada. as in 'nadagawddamnthing'. on Joe Biden.

Clearly, you do know know what constitutes conclusive evidence. Not all evidence is conclusive. The only evidence that matters is whether or not it is conclusive. In fact, you haven't even addressed my point on conclusivity. You just keep hollering 'evidence' as if that ends the argument. That you can't understand that it doesn't is evidence of your incompetence on the subject.

You don't care.
I care about conclusive evidence.

That is the evidence I need to know that you are not a rational honest person, at least on this subject.
I'll provide the following information for your edification, because, clearly, you need it as you, apparently, have never received the memo that Posturing/self puffery (via talking down) is not an argument, or, at the minimum,, is a piss-poor debate tactic. It is where a debater alludes to his/her expertise, which is self puffery, or talks another down, which is inverse self puffery. Both forms of posturing seek to gain altitude in a debate, thinking, quite wrongly, that it (the mirage of elevation) improves one's argument. However, all it does is reveal one's novice or one is unskilled in the art of debate. Therefore, your comment, above, is evidence of your debate incompetence, as I will assume you are not a novice.
 
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Reality? I'll give you a dose of reality: Your use of the phrase "Deep state hacks" are weasel words (WWs are vague terms which cannot be substantiated which are not conducive to coherent thought or communication which lead to misguided and/or utterly false conclusions), hence my correct conclusion your comment was incompetent.
The "deep state" is a vauge concept, what can you do? Apparently gender is too; well maybe the story is changing on that one. Amazing how fast people fold when they're "no longer" on "the right side of history".

Your 'evidence' is: 10% for Joe is wrongdoing. Planning for Joe to get 10% is wrongdoing." Call it "Evidence" if you want, or call it HillBilly On The Moon, call it whatever you want, but what you cannot call it is 'conclusive evidence', and unless you have corroboration to a degree which would make it conclusive, it isn't worth spit.
Your blind denials aren't worth spit.

Do you often find that completely blanking out on the definition of common words like "evidence" is "conducive to coherent thought or communication"?


Your question has a false premise. The correct sequence before asking a question with an assumed premise as follows:
1. Identify whether or not your question has an assumed premise, this includes recognizing what the false premise is.
2. If it doesn't, then ask the question.
3. If it does (and yours does) then clear the premise with the person you are putting the question to.
4. once cleared, then ask the question.
Note; By 'cleared' it is meant 'achieve a meeting of mind with the person you are putting the question to, regarding the premise'.

You need to cure #3. once you have done that, THEN, and only then, ask the question.

If you cannot, or are unwilling to do that, then please pester someone else.

You see, only a fool would answer a question with a false premise, and I might be a lot of things, but 'fool' isn't one of them
So you refuse to answer.

So maybe you aren't foolish enough to be caught in your contradictory epistemological stances, but that hardly wins you the field. It's actually more like cowering under a rock.


Refer to the ruling. In the August 7, 2023 ruling by Judge Kaplan, the court declared that the jury in E. Jean Carroll's civil case against Donald Trump had conclusively found that Trump sexually abused Carroll, but it did not make a specific finding that Trump raped her as defined under New York law. The judge stated that the jury's findings were clear and that Trump’s argument to the contrary was meritless. This conclusion upheld the jury's decision in Carroll's favor. You can read about it on page 15 of the court ruling: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/24370395/kaplan-august-ruling-trump-counterclaim.pdf
I don't see an answer.


Yeah, I got it, you were trying to corner me or some silly game like that, eh?
Yep, the game is called "logic" and if that's a silly game there aren't any serious games.


If you want to debate me, you'll have to up your game.
Do you feel in control? lol


I have a picture of a thoroughbred horse. You have a blown up picture of the horse's anus and declaring that is the totality of the horse.

Because Republicans, such as yourself, or those on the right, such as yourself, and your replies confirm the point, that what Gilliar wrote in that email has been claimed by those on the right to be evidence. My counter is that it is not worth anything without corroboration. Let's go back to my comment which included this link:
You assertion is a meritless excuse. I have already explained why the system of knowledge created by ignoring all evidence until evidence corroborates evidence would lead to zero accepted evidence and zero corroboration in all cases, an empty set of conclusions.

i.e. Blind idiotic pathetic skepticism. What's more is that it is almost certainly not your true epistemology, so it's also dishonest and hypocritical.
 
In a second Trump presidency, expect a scorched earth approach that could fundamentally reshape America and the world for the worse. "America First" will mean isolationism that abandons allies, fuels economic volatility, and drains American power abroad. Massive deportations won’t just disrupt millions of lives; they’ll dismantle industries, fracture communities, and create a humanitarian disaster that will tarnish the U.S. globally. Trump’s soft stance on Russia will only embolden Putin, with Trump likely abandoning Ukraine to destruction and threatening European security. A domino effect could follow -- China eyeing Taiwan, emboldened by America’s retreat, (and they are eying Okinawa islands, as well ) seizing control of the semiconductor industry and holding the U.S. at technological gunpoint.

Most nations have had to endure a demagogue to learn -- often through unbearable hardship -- the brutal consequences of unchecked power and the empty allure of populist rhetoric. Germany had Hitler, who promised national pride and left his country in ruins. Italy’s Mussolini sold visions of empire that led to disaster. Argentina saw Perón, who polarized the nation and left it grappling with his divisive legacy. Spain endured Franco’s authoritarian grip, Venezuela Chávez’s ruinous policies. And in Russia, under Stalin, democracy never stood a chance; his totalitarian control meant that the people had no opportunity to reject his tyranny at the ballot box.

Now, America too seems determined to learn the hard way about the dark force of demagoguery. Some might say, “But Trump’s first term didn’t bring the sky down.” What they overlook is that the first time, he was held in check by seasoned figures -- McMaster, Kelly, Milley, Bolton, Barr, et. al., -- the “adults in the room” who served as guardrails. This time, they’re gone. Trump will fill his ranks with sycophants, loyalists without the spine to question or halt his impulses. He’ll have nothing but yes-men willing to serve him without question and he will pepper his cabinet ranks with his oligarch buddies who will 'deconstruct the administrative state'. like termites enjoy a feast. The polluter corporations will love this, as they destroy our climate, our air, our rivers and lakes and precious soil. Expect rampant corruption and transactionalism. With his newfound belief in “absolute immunity,” he’ll feel emboldened to act without limits, trying things he never dared before. And with those private calls to Putin, he’ll have a seasoned mentor to guide him through “Dictator 101” lessons.

So yes, history repeats itself, and we seem condemned to follow it. Like Germany, Argentina, Spain, and so many others, America might face devastation and finally come to understand the full cost of demagoguery, what it's like to live under autocratic rule. I don't expect we'll become a full fledged dictatorship, but let's be clear, Trump will try and exploit any and every weakness that exists in our system that he can get away with, where the framers assumed the president would be a man who would act in good faith. Man, how wrong they were! And maybe, if we’re lucky, we’ll survive the wreckage, inoculated and wiser for it -- if we can find our way free from his grip in time. So, you think this OP is partisan tripe? Time will most certainly tell. Let's see where we stand in a few years, and watch Dems regain control of the house in the next midterms, as by then, America will see, up close and personal. what this MAGA movement is really about.

  • "As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron." -- H.L. Mencken
No truer words could more perfectly describe the rise of Trump.

Now, repubs are going to gloat, and pontificate why Trump won. But, he pandered to the lowest instincts of Americans, he did what all demagogues do; blame our troubles on a group. Hitler did it with Jews, and Trump has done it with immigrants, totally ignoring the fact that the undocs commit far fewer crimes than American citizens, but facts don't matter to a demagogue, the only thing that matters is power, and the more, the merrier. Also, the second big tool he bludgeoned Biden/Harris with was inflation. But for the inflation, given that it's undecideds who decide close elections, Republicans did a good job of bamboozling the masses by blaming the inflation on Biden, never mind the fact that it was CARES act, $2 trillion fiat currency infusion (that was Trump) AND the ARP, another $2 Trillion by Biden, both were done because of the pandemic, and were necessary to prevent and economic collapse, this was the prime mover for the inflation, not to mention the inflation was world wide, and you can't blame Biden for a world wide inflation, but to tell the truth is not something Republicans can do. Also, I fault Biden and Harris for not making this point clear, and they sure as hell could have, and should have.

But for the inflation, I doubt Trump would have won the popular vote, most voted on economics more than any other factor. A lot more than any other factor. It totally obfuscated Biden's major legislative achievements, predominantly the infrastructure program, for the first time since Eisenhower we are rebuilding America, as there are some 60,000 infrastructure projects as we speak. Trump, in his four years as president, with both houses under his thumb, was unable to achieve it. Biden got it done bipartisan in his first 300 days. That totally dismantles the 'he's got dementia' argument. Yeah, you don't agree but I don't give a damn, really, i've heard it all and it's all partisan drivel. If anyone has it, it's Trump -- have you been paying attention to his speeches? He's losing it. I doubt he is going to last four years, to be honest.

Yeah, I know, some of you are going to give mindless snarky dumb AF one liners to this OP, and you will be ignored because, frankly, if you voted for Trump, you are not very wise. Note that intelligence and wisdom, if they exist in the same human being, it is a coincidence, If you don't believe me, let's see where we stand during the midterms.
Saving this thread. It will not age well, as most leftist predictions and whiny rants go.
 
I can understand selfish.
They've attained a level of abject stupidity that would have been difficult to imagine if we hadn't actually seen it.
I'm not sure that I can understand that.

They wanted the original America actually envisioned by the founders,
and now they're well on the way to achieving it.
Now they will see what they though that they wanted.

Two and a half centuries of social progress was easier to destroy than I would have imagined.
If America is ever repaired, none of us will be alive to see it.

Also here will be a hard lesson for those among us who cherish the constitution
and actually think the framers knew what they were doing.
They will now see that on which our constitution will sign off,
when intelligent people should have seen this already.

So for me, this is not just a fuck you to the trumpanzees.
It's also a fuck you to the naive boy scouts as well
and they know who they are.
Poor NiftyNitWit, still stuck on stupid and ignorant. :laugh:
 
The "deep state" is a vauge concept, what can you do? Apparently gender is too; well maybe the story is changing on that one. Amazing how fast people fold when they're "no longer" on "the right side of history".
'Gender' is not a vague concept. We are either male, female, or intersex, depending on chromosomes.
Your blind denials aren't worth spit.
You sure make a lot of vacuous/non substantive allegations. Requiring evidence to be conclusive when the stakes are one's liberty, or conviction in an impeachment, is not 'blind'. It comports to the cornerstone of American jurisprudence, that one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. If course,. you are entitled to have your opinion based on your scant evidence, as I have an equal right to demand conclusive proof since the objective of Weiss, Comey, etc was either to impeach or give criminal referrals, where liberty is, indeed, at stake, and for impeachment, deprivation of the highest office in the land, in my view, requires the same level of evidence, 'conclusive' before one can indict in an impeachment. Ignorance of it is blind, which, of course, that would be you.
Do you often find that completely blanking out on the definition of common words like "evidence" is "conducive to coherent thought or communication"?
Question is non sequitur, a deflection -- irrelevant to the subject under discussion. Your ability to stay on point is incredibly weak.
So you refuse to answer.
Refusing to answer loaded questions isn't something to be ashamed of, it's the only just thing to do in the face of such questions as such questions are disingenuous, which means they have a ulterior motive, to begin with. I can see right through your little game, well, excuse me if I refuse to play and let you manipulate me,.
So maybe you aren't foolish enough to be caught in your contradictory epistemological stances, but that hardly wins you the field. It's actually more like cowering under a rock.
Cowering under a rock? Let me spell this out for you -- refusing to dignify a loaded question isn't 'contradictory epistemological stances'; it's intellectual integrity. I mean, are you really that stupid? If your argument hinges on dragging someone into a rhetorical sparring match, maybe it's you who should crawl out from under the rock of lazy sophistry and try standing on the foundation of reason. Until then, you're just swinging at air, hoping no one notices the vacuum where your logic should be.

In short, Your claim is vacuous, non substantive, no path of logic, no substantive argument to support that charge, and by virtue of that fact, has no merit whatsover. If you are going to make an argument, you need to do better than dole out empty charges with 90 cent words hoping someone will be impressed and not notice how hollow your accusations are.
I don't see an answer.
Of course not. My opinion on that point serves no argument, nor buttresses any point you are trying to make, so I have no compunction to not answer it. Clearly, your motive for asking it is disingenuous, has an ulterior motive. I'm sorry, I refuse to be manipulated by you. You'll have to find some other sucker in the peanut gallery.
Yep, the game is called "logic" and if that's a silly game there aren't any serious games.
Sorry, if you want to manipulate someone, find another sucker. I do not play games,.
Do you feel in control? lol
You assertion is a meritless excuse. I have already explained why the system of knowledge created by ignoring all evidence until evidence corroborates evidence would lead to zero accepted evidence and zero corroboration in all cases, an empty set of conclusions.
In Comey's House committee, the so-called 'evidence' the following statements are facts:

Not one document implicates Joe Biden, that is the immutable, incontrovertible, indisputable, fact.

Not one.

Not one financial document produced by Comer has Joe Biden as beneficiary or signatory.

The Checks to Joe from James Biden are loan repayments, if the claim is otherwise, where is the proof?

Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell. LLC shells have about dozen legit reasons to exist, and each have to be ruled out, and none are ruled out by the committee, their conclusions are assumed. hell, Hunter had 20 LLCs, well, Trump had 500. There is no 'abundance' here.

So...

Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.

Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.

Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.

No testimony given by Joe's staff against him. Other testimony lacks corroboration.

No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him

Noting that every email and text presented do not have Joe Biden as a participant in the conversation and third party mentions of Joe is hearsay and some have been established as fake.

Noting that the chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.

In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, it only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father.

SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website. In fact, if someone deals with large sums doing business with foreign entities, SARs are common.

FBI FD-1023 reports are not evidence, they are just FBI interviews of what someone claims -- they need to be corroborated, and none have been, to date.

IRS agents are not, by definition, true whistleblowers, their testimony is merely a disagreement with the prosecutors prosecutorial decisions, in which such disagreements are common, and not only that, their testimony was impeached by Weiss , Garland and Rep Goldman and Raskin.

That Yelena Baturina was not sanctioned is not a damning fact at all, as alleged, given that some 50 Russian/Ukrainian billionaires haven't been sanctioned, either, and she is merely one of many.

One 'whistleblower' is a fugitive, the other was indicted and the one who was indicted, his testimony was to be the centerpiece to tie all their suggestive 'evidence' together. It all fell apart with his indictment.

What I've been finding is that for every issue put forth by Republicans, regarding the Bidens, there is an innocent explanation. Oh, some things might look bad, but looking bad is not illegal.

The transcript details what services Hunter provided since the question is often raised.

All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.
i.e. Blind idiotic pathetic skepticism. What's more is that it is almost certainly not your true epistemology, so it's also dishonest and hypocritical.
Incompetent rebuttal: an empty tirade of baseless claims and hollow accusations. Your misuse of 'epistemology' is not only awkward but borders on caricature -- it's the very definition of a malapropism. If you’re going to sling terms like that, at least ensure you understand them. Otherwise, all you’re doing is dressing ignorance in the guise of intellect, or rather, pseudo intellect, and frankly, it’s not a good look.

Here are some immutable facts for which you cannot refute:

Not one criminal referral, in a six year investigation into Hunter Biden, was made by US Atty David Weiss against Joe Biden.'
In those six years, two of which were under Trump, David Weiss did not find any evidence leading to criminal charges for
1. Money Laundering
2. Influence peddling

The tax and gun permit charges were known before Trump's term were up, yet he didn't charge then, so why did he wait?

I would venture to say that it is logical that he waited because he was looking for 1 & 2, because he knew that if he could never find the evidence, he had tax and gun charges to fall back on, as a consolation prize, which is precisely what happened, noting that, statistically speaking, few people are given such charges compared to the total who commit them.

The Comey Committee did not give one criminal referral on Joe Biden.
 
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You sure make a lot of vacuous/non substantive allegations. Requiring evidence to be conclusive when the stakes are one's liberty, or conviction in an impeachment, is not 'blind'. It comports to the cornerstone of American jurisprudence, that one is innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law.
Tell it to the "get Trump" crowd.

You might want to throw in "the crime actually has to be specified by law", or "if there is no precedent despite the law being on the book for decades and the first example of it being applied to these facts is the leader of your political enemies you're probably wrong".

"Impeachment is whatever congress says it is" you heard that one?


If course,. you are entitled to have your opinion based on your scant evidence
Ah, so it is evidence after all? That's progress.


Cowering under a rock? Let me spell this out for you -- refusing to dignify a loaded question isn't 'contradictory epistemological stances'; it's intellectual integrity. I mean, are you really that stupid? If your argument hinges on dragging someone into a rhetorical sparring match, maybe it's you who should crawl out from under the rock of lazy sophistry and try standing on the foundation of reason. Until then, you're just swinging at air, hoping no one notices the vacuum where your logic should be.
So you're proudly refusing to answer the question because it's "loaded".

All questions are loaded with context, if there is a premise you think is false built into the question, specify it. It's not my job to guess.


In short, Your claim is vacuous, non substantive, no path of logic, no substantive argument to support that charge, and by virtue of that fact, has no merit whatsover. If you are going to make an argument, you need to do better than dole out empty charges with 90 cent words hoping someone will be impressed and not notice how hollow your accusations are.
If word count won debates I can see why you would think you're good.


My opinion on that point serves no argument, nor buttresses any point you are trying to make, so I have no compunction to not answer it.
Your lack of compunctions, or in other words your intellectual dishonesty do not impress me.

The answers to those questions would expose contradictions in your expressed worldview and philosophy. It is precisely because you can see the point it serves that you do not answer.


Clearly, your motive for asking it is disingenuous, has an ulterior motive.
Exposing contradictions in your worldview and philosophy is not an ulterior motive, I'm explicitly admitting to it.


The Checks to Joe from James Biden are loan repayments, if the claim is otherwise, where is the proof?
It's the checks from foreign energy companies to the Biden family that are the problem, not the minutia of how they split it up.

Benefiting siblings and children is something normal people would spend money on anyway, there is no need to route the money through Joe's personal accounts for it to be a bribe.


Not one LLC lists Joe Biden as an officer in a Shell.
Well that proves his innocence <- extraordinary sarcasm


LLC shells have about dozen legit reasons to exist, and each have to be ruled out, and none are ruled out by the committee, their conclusions are assumed. hell, Hunter had 20 LLCs, well, Trump had 500. There is no 'abundance' here.
So they're unwillingness to seek answers is kinda like your unwillingness to give answers. We just sit comfortably in ignorance. "Nobody can prove a thing I refuse to think about it!"

Who the hell said forming a company is the core of the corruption or that all other explanations have to be ruled out?

Oops there is another question you have no compunction in refusing to answer. There are no strawmen in ba sing se!


Not one LLC has been proven to be established for a corrupt purpose as none of the 10 or so legitimate reasons have been excluded.
Hunter's presence on the board of Burisma is prima facie corrupt.

He was either selling US foreign policy or he was running a scam in which he led foreign companies on in the ultimately false hope of buying US foreign policy.


Not one taped phone call implicates joe in any wrong doing.
Just text messages, emails, and recorded public conferences.


Not one testimony against Joe is backed by hard evidence.
As long as text messages, emails, bank records, and recorded public conferences are not "hard".


No testimony given by Joe's staff against him. Other testimony lacks corroboration.
Where do you come up with these requirements? <- another question, proudly refuse to answer it; that makes you cool

"We can't convict, there were no roomates second cousin witnesses"


No testimony by Joe's sons and daughters are made against him
Well maybe not intentionally, but Hunter did essentially confess that "the big guy" was his father.


Noting that the chain of custody of the laptop is not clear cut, and has the potential for corruption.
Let me guess, russian hackers, russian disinformation, the russians are hiding underneath my bed at this very moment?

So you've proposed by implication the absurd notion that anything so called prosecutors don't take seriously must be dismissed, does it work the other way? <- another question, flee from the "manipulation", refuse to answer!

If a prosecutor uses the laptop as evidence does that prove it is legitimate?


In fact, all of the evidence thus far produced, it only proves that Hunter Biden did business abroad, that that business is not against the law, plus the fact that he generously shared his profits with other family members, but notably except his father.
What an odd coincidence that the only man who could possibly have allowed this "business" to have any service to offer was not benefited while everyone else in the family was.

It's almost like they were a little more careful in leaving records of benefiting Joe personally, but then again only idiots and idiot roleplayers care if Joe buys a new car for himself or a house for his kids with the bribe.


SARs are not proof of wrongdoing, says so right on the Gov website.
An infinite amount of "not proof" doesn't sum to "proven innocent". In other words the evidence of corruption is totally unaffected by these strawmen of yours.


In fact, if someone deals with large sums doing business with foreign entities, SARs are common.
... because it's kinda suspicious?


IRS agents are not, by definition, true whistleblowers, their testimony is merely a disagreement with the prosecutors prosecutorial decisions, in which such disagreements are common, and not only that, their testimony was impeached by Weiss , Garland and Rep Goldman and Raskin.
There is a race of "true whistleblowers" apparently. Vindman must have pure whistleblower blood.

Garland doesn't care therefore I shouldn't care? I'll have to remember that one *nearly chokes holding back giggles*


One 'whistleblower' is a fugitive
What a coincidence.


the other was indicted and the one who was indicted, his testimony was to be the centerpiece to tie all their suggestive 'evidence' together. It all fell apart with his indictment.
Attacking the unwanted witnesses works and is totally legitimate, that's the moral of the story and I hope Matt Gaetz learned well.


The transcript details what services Hunter provided since the question is often raised.
Yet some of us live in the real world, so the question remains and is answered by: obvious corruption.


All of the 'evidence' thus far is suggestive in nature, and not conclusive.
...and you only believe in conclusive corroborated evidence! rofl


Here are some immutable facts for which you cannot refute:
Here are some immutable facts which you cannot refute:

The sky is blue.
The Earth is round.
She'll be coming around the mountain when she comes.

Don't question the relevance of these facts, questions I do not approve of are loaded, and I refuse to admit to the relevance of questioning relevance! (that makes me cool, you may kneel now).


few people are given such charges compared to the total who commit them.
Fact patterns that are not usually prosecuted as evidence of "lawfare" you may have a point.


The Comey Committee did not give one criminal referral on Joe Biden.
Joseph Stalin was never charged for starving millions of people.
 
In a second Trump presidency, expect a scorched earth approach that could fundamentally reshape America and the world for the worse. "America First" will mean isolationism that abandons allies, fuels economic volatility, and drains American power abroad. Massive deportations won’t just disrupt millions of lives; they’ll dismantle industries, fracture communities, and create a humanitarian disaster that will tarnish the U.S. globally. Trump’s soft stance on Russia will only embolden Putin, with Trump likely abandoning Ukraine to destruction and threatening European security. A domino effect could follow -- China eyeing Taiwan, emboldened by America’s retreat, (and they are eying Okinawa islands, as well ) seizing control of the semiconductor industry and holding the U.S. at technological gunpoint.

Most nations have had to endure a demagogue to learn -- often through unbearable hardship -- the brutal consequences of unchecked power and the empty allure of populist rhetoric. Germany had Hitler, who promised national pride and left his country in ruins. Italy’s Mussolini sold visions of empire that led to disaster. Argentina saw Perón, who polarized the nation and left it grappling with his divisive legacy. Spain endured Franco’s authoritarian grip, Venezuela Chávez’s ruinous policies. And in Russia, under Stalin, democracy never stood a chance; his totalitarian control meant that the people had no opportunity to reject his tyranny at the ballot box.

Now, America too seems determined to learn the hard way about the dark force of demagoguery. Some might say, “But Trump’s first term didn’t bring the sky down.” What they overlook is that the first time, he was held in check by seasoned figures -- McMaster, Kelly, Milley, Bolton, Barr, et. al., -- the “adults in the room” who served as guardrails. This time, they’re gone. Trump will fill his ranks with sycophants, loyalists without the spine to question or halt his impulses. He’ll have nothing but yes-men willing to serve him without question and he will pepper his cabinet ranks with his oligarch buddies who will 'deconstruct the administrative state'. like termites enjoy a feast. The polluter corporations will love this, as they destroy our climate, our air, our rivers and lakes and precious soil. Expect rampant corruption and transactionalism. With his newfound belief in “absolute immunity,” he’ll feel emboldened to act without limits, trying things he never dared before. And with those private calls to Putin, he’ll have a seasoned mentor to guide him through “Dictator 101” lessons.

So yes, history repeats itself, and we seem condemned to follow it. Like Germany, Argentina, Spain, and so many others, America might face devastation and finally come to understand the full cost of demagoguery, what it's like to live under autocratic rule. I don't expect we'll become a full fledged dictatorship, but let's be clear, Trump will try and exploit any and every weakness that exists in our system that he can get away with, where the framers assumed the president would be a man who would act in good faith. Man, how wrong they were! And maybe, if we’re lucky, we’ll survive the wreckage, inoculated and wiser for it -- if we can find our way free from his grip in time. So, you think this OP is partisan tripe? Time will most certainly tell. Let's see where we stand in a few years, and watch Dems regain control of the house in the next midterms, as by then, America will see, up close and personal. what this MAGA movement is really about.

  • "As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron." -- H.L. Mencken
No truer words could more perfectly describe the rise of Trump.

Now, repubs are going to gloat, and pontificate why Trump won. But, he pandered to the lowest instincts of Americans, he did what all demagogues do; blame our troubles on a group. Hitler did it with Jews, and Trump has done it with immigrants, totally ignoring the fact that the undocs commit far fewer crimes than American citizens, but facts don't matter to a demagogue, the only thing that matters is power, and the more, the merrier. Also, the second big tool he bludgeoned Biden/Harris with was inflation. But for the inflation, given that it's undecideds who decide close elections, Republicans did a good job of bamboozling the masses by blaming the inflation on Biden, never mind the fact that it was CARES act, $2 trillion fiat currency infusion (that was Trump) AND the ARP, another $2 Trillion by Biden, both were done because of the pandemic, and were necessary to prevent and economic collapse, this was the prime mover for the inflation, not to mention the inflation was world wide, and you can't blame Biden for a world wide inflation, but to tell the truth is not something Republicans can do. Also, I fault Biden and Harris for not making this point clear, and they sure as hell could have, and should have.

But for the inflation, I doubt Trump would have won the popular vote, most voted on economics more than any other factor. A lot more than any other factor. It totally obfuscated Biden's major legislative achievements, predominantly the infrastructure program, for the first time since Eisenhower we are rebuilding America, as there are some 60,000 infrastructure projects as we speak. Trump, in his four years as president, with both houses under his thumb, was unable to achieve it. Biden got it done bipartisan in his first 300 days. That totally dismantles the 'he's got dementia' argument. Yeah, you don't agree but I don't give a damn, really, i've heard it all and it's all partisan drivel. If anyone has it, it's Trump -- have you been paying attention to his speeches? He's losing it. I doubt he is going to last four years, to be honest.

Yeah, I know, some of you are going to give mindless snarky dumb AF one liners to this OP, and you will be ignored because, frankly, if you voted for Trump, you are not very wise. Note that intelligence and wisdom, if they exist in the same human being, it is a coincidence, If you don't believe me, let's see where we stand during the midterms.
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I get it, your low self esteem has gotten the best of you. You'll recover in time, there is hope.


Nice wishful thinking.

Instead of strategically targeting critical industries, sectors where U.S. interests needed protection, Trump threw blanket tariffs on anything coming from China, impacting everything from electronics to basic household items.

He didn’t just hit the unfair practices -- no, he went for everything. U.S. companies reliant on imported parts got slammed with higher costs, supply chains became snarled, and American consumers paid the price. And why? Because rather than a calculated trade strategy, what we got was a scattershot, slapdash assault on trade designed more to look tough than to be smart.

Yes, he said it was about “protecting America,” but the result was predictable chaos. Experts say a targeted approach would have minimized the collateral damage, safeguarding key industries while sparing American wallets and businesses. But here we are, left to foot the bill for tariffs that hit American pocketbooks harder than they hit their intended targets.

So let’s dispel any fantasy that Trump’s approach to tariffs -- or anything else for that matter -- is going to be different. He’s not a “learner” or a “strategist.” History is our witness. The tariffs that should have been laser-focused on China’s unfair practices were instead a knee-jerk reaction, an economic sledgehammer swung in all directions, leaving American consumers and businesses tangled in higher prices and disrupted supply chains. It wasn’t about calculated policy; it was a publicity stunt in policy’s clothing.

The idea that he’s suddenly going to refine his tactics this time around is wishful thinking at best. Especially now that he intends on bringing 'loyalists', which is a euphimism for sycophants -- 'yes men'. Why? Because Trump doesn’t adapt. He doesn’t reconsider. He doubles down on chaos. He isn’t coming back with a new approach or a reformed outlook; he’s coming back with the same reckless playbook, just as ready to put on the show while Americans pick up the tab. The voters just forgot who he was. Well, their memories will be refreshed very soon.

But, you just go ahead and keep with those rose tinted classes you're wearing.
Lt. Dan.
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Tell it to the "get Trump" crowd.
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"Impeachment is whatever congress says it is" you heard that one?
This line of conversation arose from your original reference to 'deep state hacks', which are weasel words,
Since a poisoned tree yields poisoned fruit, proof of which is your continued references to the vague, ill defined, non referenced, arguments, I'll wait until you can be:
1. On point.
2. Substantive, which includes links to your references that are not specified in the conversation.
Ah, so it is evidence after all? That's progress.
Scant evidence is insufficient for 1. impeachment, 2, criminal referrals.
Until then, you have made zero progress.
So you're proudly refusing to answer the question because it's "loaded".
As any person of intellectual integrity would. Clearly, the points given have gone right over your head.
All questions are loaded with context, if there is a premise you think is false built into the question, specify it. It's not my job to guess.
No they aren't. A sincere question does not include a question with an assumed premise (and/or be politically charged)
You clearly are unskilled in the art of written debate.
If word count won debates I can see why you would think you're good.
Irrelevant.
Your lack of compunctions, or in other words your intellectual dishonesty do not impress me.
Please understand that impressing you is the least item on my mind, and your vacuous allegations are clearly prosaic, boring, really,
The answers to those questions would expose contradictions in your expressed worldview and philosophy. It is precisely because you can see the point it serves that you do not answer.
I'll file that in the wishful thinking file. Answering irrelevant questions serve no purpose, whatsoever, other than perpetuate your disingenuous game playing.
Exposing contradictions in your worldview and philosophy is not an ulterior motive, I'm explicitly admitting to it.
That's interesting, you have yet to mention what this mysterious 'contradiction' even is.
It's the checks from foreign energy companies to the Biden family that are the problem, not the minutia of how they split it up.
Ahh, there it is, right there. The 'Biden Family' does not include Joe Biden. So what's left? Legal US Citizens conducting business abroad, which is legal. If you want to argue FARA, go ahead, but that is rarely a stand alone indictment in the DOJ. The whole business of Comer, et al, using this language of 'The Biden Family' is to make it APPEAR Joe Biden is part of it. Well, there is zero proof of that, and that is all that matters.

It's about time you got into the real argument, instead of all this game playing you are trying to inflict on me.
Benefiting siblings and children is something normal people would spend money on anyway, there is no need to route the money through Joe's personal accounts for it to be a bribe.
Wrong. Clearly you are not up to date on case law. Please review McDonnell v. United States (2016) which is the case that made it much harder to convict politicians for bribery by narrowing the definition of "official acts." You see, this is WHY there were NO criminal referrals of Joe Biden, either by Comer or Weiss, after years of investigations.
Well that proves his innocence <- extraordinary sarcasm
Well, it sure as hell doesn't prove guilt.
So they're unwillingness to seek answers is kinda like your unwillingness to give answers. We just sit comfortably in ignorance. "Nobody can prove a thing I refuse to think about it!"
What are you talking about? Hunter was in the building when Comer wouldn't allow him to testify. Your allegation is hollow nor does it follow from the facts, which, clearly, you are not paying much attention to.
Who the hell said forming a company is the core of the corruption or that all other explanations have to be ruled out?
Well, you do have to corroborate corrupt intent, abuse of the LLCs on some level, because the mere presence of LLCs proves nothing.
Oops there is another question you have no compunction in refusing to answer. There are no strawmen in ba sing se!
Be specific, please,.
Hunter's presence on the board of Burisma is prima facie corrupt.

Hunter Biden's position on Burisma’s board might look questionable, but appearances aren’t crimes. "Prima facie corrupt" implies clear, undeniable wrongdoing -- yet years of investigations and millions of taxpayer dollars have found no evidence of criminal conduct. If we’re talking corruption, why not focus on Jared Kushner’s $2 billion Saudi deal or Trump’s hotel schemes, which actually meet the definition? Bring facts, not baseless accusations.
He was either selling US foreign policy or he was running a scam in which he led foreign companies on in the ultimately false hope of buying US foreign policy.
Hunter Biden wasn’t selling U.S. foreign policy or running a scam -- those are baseless accusations without evidence. Years of investigations have shown no impact on U.S. policy, and claims of a "scam" are speculative fiction. If companies hoped for influence he didn’t have, that’s their problem, not corruption. The real "scam" here is turning unproven innuendo into a supposed fact.
Just text messages, emails, and recorded public conferences.
Nothing given, thus far, implicates Joe Biden. Sorry. So, PUOSU.
As long as text messages, emails, bank records, and recorded public conferences are not "hard".
See above
Where do you come up with these requirements? <- another question, proudly refuse to answer it; that makes you cool
McDonnell v United states.
"We can't convict, there were no roomates second cousin witnesses"
Hostile witnesses ALWAYS require corroboration when the target is the president, when 1. Liberty is at stake, 2, or Impeachment.
Why? I'm not claiming it is a legal requirement, sometimes it isn't (it all depends on the persuasive powers of the prosecution), BUT.....No prosecutor will take the case in HIGH STAKES cases, that's why. You can impeach, but I guarantee Dems in the senate will not convict.
Well maybe not intentionally, but Hunter did essentially confess that "the big guy" was his father.
Deliberately. No one is disputing who the 'big guy' is. That fact doesn't prove anything.
Let me guess, russian hackers, russian disinformation, the russians are hiding underneath my bed at this very moment?
kid all you want, doesn't negate the premise. Chain of custody is a legit issue.
So you've proposed by implication the absurd notion that anything so called prosecutors don't take seriously must be dismissed, does it work the other way? <- another question, flee from the "manipulation", refuse to answer!
Your conflating two different unrelated things. I'm surprised you don't know better. FYI, if a prosecutor doesn't take a case, that doesn't equal 'dismissed', don't spin it more than what it is.
If a prosecutor uses the laptop as evidence does that prove it is legitimate?
As long as they can prove the chain of custody didn't taint the HD. But, you do realize it's been out there for years, and no charges of money laundering or corruption have been made.
What an odd coincidence that the only man who could possibly have allowed this "business" to have any service to offer was not benefited while everyone else in the family was.
Either you have evidence on Joe Biden, or you don't. You don't.
It's almost like they were a little more careful in leaving records of benefiting Joe personally, but then again only idiots and idiot roleplayers care if Joe buys a new car for himself or a house for his kids with the bribe.
Joe has been in politics for what, 50s. Clearly, he knows how to keep his nose clean. You need to get over this 'Biden is guilty' nonsense, it's getting old.
An infinite amount of "not proof" doesn't sum to "proven innocent". In other words the evidence of corruption is totally unaffected by these strawmen of yours.
The burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused -- innocence doesn’t need proving. After years of investigations and millions spent, no evidence of wrongdoing has surfaced. Repeating baseless allegations doesn’t turn them into facts. If you have actual evidence, present it; otherwise, stop relying on empty rhetoric to make your case.
... because it's kinda suspicious?
SARS are common in foreign biz with AMerican banks, 'suspicious' is not evidence of crime.
There is a race of "true whistleblowers" apparently. Vindman must have pure whistleblower blood.
Vindman is irrelevant.
Garland doesn't care therefore I shouldn't care? I'll have to remember that one *nearly chokes holding back giggles*



What a coincidence.
Just because it's an inconvenient FACT, doesn't equal 'coincidence'. I understand that you'd like it to be, as that would help you in your forwarding a bogus right wing narrative, right? Of course I'm right.
Attacking the unwanted witnesses works and is totally legitimate, that's the moral of the story and I hope Matt Gaetz learned well.
Celebrating the idea of smearing witnesses as "legitimate" is an admission of bad faith, not a moral. The witness in question wasn’t attacked unjustly -- he was indicted, and his testimony collapsed under his own criminality. Comer’s case, built on flimsy evidence and unreliable witnesses, fell apart on its own. The real takeaway? Without credible, corroborated evidence, accusations amount to nothing. Substance matters, not soundbites.

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This line of conversation arose from your original reference to 'deep state hacks'
It came from evidence, which you thought you could ignore because deep state hacks also ignored it.


No they aren't. A sincere question does not include a question with an assumed premise (and/or be politically charged)
You clearly are unskilled in the art of written debate.
Give me a question and I'll show you some of the assumed context.

If there is a false premise assumed in one of my questions, specify it.


That's interesting, you have yet to mention what this mysterious 'contradiction' even is.
To pinpoint it from amongst the innumerable potential points of error I would need the answers you refuse to give. Therefore all I can say for now is that you're absurdly wrong and no sane person could possibly consistently hold the epistemology you implicitly demand be used in regards to the Biden corruption theory.


Ahh, there it is, right there. The 'Biden Family' does not include Joe Biden.
Having hallucinations? That would explain a lot.


So what's left? Legal US Citizens conducting business abroad, which is legal.
lol sure pal, you won the debate. There is no such thing as money laundering, dry cleaners are legal. There is no such thing as nepotism. There is no way that anyone could possibly have a bribe directed to a family member to hide corruption. <- extreme sarcasm


Benefiting siblings and children is something normal people would spend money on anyway, there is no need to route the money through Joe's personal accounts for it to be a bribe.
Wrong. Clearly you are not up to date on case law. Please review McDonnell v. United States (2016)
Two possibilities:
1.) McDonnel v United States has nothing to do with my quoted statement.
2.) McDonnel v United States narrows the definition of a bribe such that official acts which are compensated by providing something of value to the official is not a bribe so long as currency is not added to the official's personal accounts. In which case that is an absurd judgement which I dismiss with contempt.


Hunter Biden's position on Burisma’s board might look questionable, but appearances aren’t crimes. "Prima facie corrupt" implies clear, undeniable wrongdoing -- yet years of investigations and millions of taxpayer dollars have found no evidence of criminal conduct.
All sane honest people have this is common (once presented with all the facts): They know that Hunter Biden has nothing to offer a foreign energy company except corruption. Certainly not anything that warranted what he was paid. The only questions honest sane people have is:
1.) Whether that corruption was explicitly offered or only implied.
2.) Whether that corruption was delivered or was a fraud perpetrated by Hunter & friends.

I'm only interested in the arguments of sane honest people. You can tell me I don't know that Hunter was fishing for (and received) a bribe, but I do and I don't care if you refuse to admit the obvious.


Deliberately. No one is disputing who the 'big guy' is. That fact doesn't prove anything.
If you aren't disputing that the big guy is Joe Biden, why would anyone think they should arrange for Joe Biden to get 10%?


Chain of custody is a legit issue.
Except for mail ballots, then anything goes.


The burden of proof lies on the accuser, not the accused -- innocence doesn’t need proving. After years of investigations and millions spent, no evidence of wrongdoing has surfaced. Repeating baseless allegations doesn’t turn them into facts.
Shifting the goalpost fallacy.

There is already evidence which incriminates the Bidens. The only possible relevance of your litany was that it would somehow be counter-evidence that weighed against the incriminating evidence. Since it did not accomplish this only possible relevance it is irrelevant.

I point out corruption,
you point out that the consumption of fruit loops isn't corrupt
I don't care about fruit loops and I don't care about SARs because neither erase the evidence of corruption which you have hilariously admitted is real and somehow simultaneously called uncorroborated and before that not even evidence.


If you have actual evidence, present it; otherwise, stop relying on empty rhetoric to make your case.
So far you have admitted to every piece of evidence I have asserted. You just inanely refuse to call it evidence. I will post links when necessary.
 
I'm talking about reality.



It's not a claim, it's digital evidence.



I doubt that very much. Let's try a diagnostic question: Are the events being called elections in the united states free and fair?

Here is another:
Did Donald Trump rape a woman in a dressing room?




I have a picture of the sun. You have a picture of people looking up into a sky out of frame and saying "it's a bird".

You have the picture of the sun, you were the one who brought up "10% for the big guy". You don't care. That is the evidence I need to know that you are not a rational honest person, at least on this subject.
I don't know (or care) about the rest of this exchange, but for the record, Trump was convicted of committing sexual assault, not rape ... a common error that many critics make.
 
Well on the subject of technicalities losing a civil liability suit doesn't mean you're "convicted" of anything.

A federal jury in New York City reached a decision Tuesday in the civil trial of advice columnist E. Jean Carroll vs. former President Donald Trump.

The jury decided that Trump was not liable for rape but was liable for sexual abuse and defamation. The jury awarded Carroll a total of $5 million in damages.
www.foxnews.com/politics/new-york-jury-finds-donald-trump-sexually-abused-e-jean-carroll-civil-suit?msockid=311c35521fc5664611aa206e1e116727


What is "liability"?
www.law.cornell.edu/wex/liability
 
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