Looks like America, like many countries before us, has to learn the hard way. What to expect from a Trump presidency, second term.

It came from evidence, which you thought you could ignore because deep state hacks also ignored it.
Sorry, you haven't provided on stitch of evidence that's worth more than sputum
Give me a question and I'll show you some of the assumed context.

If there is a false premise assumed in one of my questions, specify it.


You posited this question, prefacing it as a 'diagnostic', so clearly you are on a fishing expedition, the ulterior motive.

Are the events being called elections in the united states free and fair?

Your question about whether elections in the United States are "free and fair" has an assumed premise, and it’s clear you’re not asking this as an innocent diagnostic. You are utterly disingenuous and you are sure as hell not fooling me.

Your question has nothing to do with the topic we’re debating. It’s an attempt to sidetrack the conversation and test for weaknesses you can exploit (and no, that's not an admission, so don't twist my words, thank you). If you want to discuss Hunter and Joe Biden, stay on topic. Otherwise, maybe it’s your own assumptions about elections that need diagnosing. What exactly are you trying to prove here? Are you testing for my worldview, or are you trying to distract from the actual substance of the debate? Either way, it’s transparent, and I’m not taking the bait. Apparently you have me confused with a fish.
To pinpoint it from amongst the innumerable potential points of error I would need the answers you refuse to give. Therefore all I can say for now is that you're absurdly wrong and no sane person could possibly consistently hold the epistemology you implicitly demand be used in regards to the Biden corruption theory.

Ah, how delightfully predictable you are. You admit you’re fishing for contradictions but can’t seem to identify a single one without me answering your preposterously loaded questions. And instead of confronting your intellectual failure head-on, you retreat into vague accusations of absurdity and an amateurish misuse of philosophical terms, all to hide the fact that your argument is as hollow as a papier-mâché piñata.

Your response amounts to this: "I can’t prove you’re wrong until you give me answers to my rigged questions." Well, congratulations, Liberty, that’s not an argument; that’s a confession of inadequacy. The inability to substantiate your claim without demanding my acquiescence is the intellectual equivalent of walking into a chess match with checkers pieces and insisting the rules should change to suit your lack of preparation.

And then, for the pièce de résistance, ('scuse my French) you toss around the term epistemology like a toddler wielding a butcher knife, wildly out of context and wildly out of your depth. To claim that my alleged epistemological inconsistency somehow invalidates my views on Biden so-called corruption is not just wrong; it’s embarrassing. You’re not diagnosing contradictions; you’re exposing your own lack of understanding while pretending you’ve struck intellectual gold.

For your edification:

The term epistemology refers to the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature, origin, and limits of human knowledge. In academic contexts, it’s used to discuss questions like "What is knowledge?" "How do we know what we know?" and "What constitutes justified belief?" It’s not, as you’re clumsily attempting to wield it, a fancy buzzword to slap on garden-variety disagreements about investigative theories.

You’ve dragged the term out of its natural philosophical habitat, much like a child pocketing a rare insect at the park, only to ruin it by insisting it belongs in your Tupperware collection. Your use of epistemology here is akin to using quantum mechanics to explain why your toaster isn’t working -- it’s not just wrong, it’s hilariously irrelevant.

So next time you want to play at intellectual combat, do yourself a favor: learn the rules of engagement before throwing out terms you don’t understand. In the meantime, try focusing on making an argument that doesn’t rely on rigged questions, vague accusations, or pretentious jargon. Because until you do, Liberty, the only absurdity here is your feeble attempt at debate.
Having hallucinations? That would explain a lot.
My statement is factual. There is no evidence connecting Joe Biden in any financially beneficial arrangement with Hunter's biz deals. None.
lol sure pal, you won the debate. There is no such thing as money laundering, dry cleaners are legal. There is no such thing as nepotism. There is no way that anyone could possibly have a bribe directed to a family member to hide corruption. <- extreme sarcasm
Ah, Liberty, the sarcasm is noted, but much like your arguments, it’s hollow and uninspired -- a desperate attempt to salvage an untenable position by tossing out straw men and hoping no one notices. Let’s unpack your latest gem, shall we?

You’re trying to equate legitimate business dealings by legal U.S. citizens with bribery and corruption, but where’s your proof? Where’s your evidence? You don’t have any, so instead, you build a caricature of my argument -- claiming I’m dismissing money laundering or nepotism outright -- as if that’s what was said. It wasn’t. What I actually said, and what you clearly don’t want to address, is that your "Biden Family" narrative collapses the moment you fail to connect Joe Biden himself to any actual wrongdoing.

This is the problem with your argument, Liberty: it’s all insinuation and no substance. You’ve got Hunter Biden conducting legal business abroad, which you can’t prove was illegal, unethical, or tied to Joe Biden in any way. So, instead of facing the absence of evidence head-on, you retreat into sarcasm and start waving around nebulous terms like "money laundering" and "nepotism," hoping no one notices your house of cards teetering on the brink of collapse.

Let me make this simple for you: You’re accusing the President of the United States of corruption. That’s a serious charge, and it requires serious evidence. But all you’ve brought to the table are innuendos, assumptions, and a profound misunderstanding of what constitutes a legal burden of proof. Sarcasm is not evidence. Vague gestures at "what could happen" do not make your case. And if the best you can do is insinuate that anyone with a family member in business must somehow be laundering money, then, Liberty, your argument is as bankrupt as your credibility.

Now, for your education:

Bribery requires evidence of quid pro quo -- specific actions taken by Joe Biden in exchange for a benefit, which you haven’t provided. Nepotism, while a legitimate concern in politics, also requires actual proof of undue influence or improper appointments, not just hand-waving at Hunter Biden’s résumé. And money laundering? That’s a criminal accusation that, again, demands actual evidence of illegal activity -- evidence you conspicuously lack.

So here’s a thought: Until you can provide actual evidence connecting Joe Biden to your fever-dream corruption theories, maybe cool it with the sarcasm. Because all you’re proving is that your argument, much like your credibility, is built on a foundation of nothing but hot air and partisan wishcasting
Two possibilities:
1.) McDonnel v United States has nothing to do with my quoted statement.
2.) McDonnel v United States narrows the definition of a bribe such that official acts which are compensated by providing something of value to the official is not a bribe so long as currency is not added to the official's personal accounts. In which case that is an absurd judgement which I dismiss with contempt.



All sane honest people have this is common (once presented with all the facts):
Listen to you! Do you know what 'weasel words' are? google it. Tsk tsk, they are the province of unskilled debaters, weak arguments.
They know that Hunter Biden has nothing to offer a foreign energy company except corruption. Certainly not anything that warranted what he was paid. The only questions honest sane people have is:
1.) Whether that corruption was explicitly offered or only implied.
2.) Whether that corruption was delivered or was a fraud perpetrated by Hunter & friends.

Once again you misunderstand the law and declare your disdain for it in one breath. McDonnell v. United States absolutely applies, and your dismissive attitude doesn’t change that. The ruling clarified that bribery requires a direct quid pro quo for an official act -- not vague accusations or appearances. Comer and company lack any evidence tying Joe Biden to such a deal.

Your dismissal of case law because it’s inconvenient isn’t bold; it’s childish. McDonnell reinforced that corruption cases require clear evidence to avoid criminalizing normal political behavior. Contempt for this precedent reveals contempt for the rule of law itself.

Here’s the deal: To prove bribery, you need real evidence -- explicit quid pro quo linked to an official act. Until then, you’re flailing in frustration that the legal system demands more than your assumptions. And if you’re going to dismiss rulings, at least understand them first—because your argument is an embarrassment to serious debate.

I'm only interested in the arguments of sane honest people. You can tell me I don't know that Hunter was fishing for (and received) a bribe, but I do and I don't care if you refuse to admit the obvious.
Your argument is all noise and no substance -- a declaration of faith disguised as debate. Crowning yourself the arbiter of "sanity" and "honesty" doesn’t make your assumptions about Hunter Biden evidence; it makes them speculation. Eyebrow-raising isn’t proof of corruption, and years of Republican investigations have found no criminal conduct.

Your "two questions" about corruption are rhetorical sleights of hand -- insinuations without evidence, propped up by circular reasoning: "It’s true because I believe it." And when you declare, "I don’t care if you refuse to admit the obvious," you’re confessing that facts and reason have no place in your worldview. That’s not an argument; it’s intellectual dishonesty at its finest.

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If there is a false premise assumed in one of my questions, specify it.
You posited this question, prefacing it as a 'diagnostic', so clearly you are on a fishing expedition, the ulterior motive.

Are the events being called elections in the united states free and fair?

Your question about whether elections in the United States are "free and fair" has an assumed premise, and it’s clear you’re not asking this as an innocent diagnostic. You are utterly disingenuous and you are sure as hell not fooling me.

Your question has nothing to do with the topic we’re debating. It’s an attempt to sidetrack the conversation and test for weaknesses you can exploit (and no, that's not an admission, so don't twist my words, thank you). If you want to discuss Hunter and Joe Biden, stay on topic. Otherwise, maybe it’s your own assumptions about elections that need diagnosing. What exactly are you trying to prove here? Are you testing for my worldview, or are you trying to distract from the actual substance of the debate? Either way, it’s transparent, and I’m not taking the bait. Apparently you have me confused with a fish.
So the false premise is _____?


Ah, how delightfully predictable you are. You admit you’re fishing for contradictions but can’t seem to identify a single one without me answering your preposterously loaded questions.
"admit" to looking for contradictions. Oh the shame!

That is debate. Whatever else you think you've been doing is a waste of time. The guy with the least contradictions in the most predictive theories is right, that's logic.


The inability to substantiate your claim without demanding my acquiescence is the intellectual equivalent of walking into a chess match with checkers pieces and insisting the rules should change to suit your lack of preparation.
It's more like I made a move, you refuse to move a piece and you're now gloating about the fact that I can't make any further moves if you don't "let me" by responding with a move of your own.

You say stupid thing, you won't explain your thinking (reasons, philosophy), then you brag that I don't know precisely what's wrong with your thinking.


For your edification:

The term epistemology refers to the branch of philosophy concerned with the nature, origin, and limits of human knowledge. In academic contexts, it’s used to discuss questions like "What is knowledge?" "How do we know what we know?"
....and all further questions along that line such as: What is evidence? Does it need to be "corroborated"? What is corroboration?


You’ve dragged the term out of its natural philosophical habitat, much like a child pocketing a rare insect at the park, only to ruin it by insisting it belongs in your Tupperware collection. Your use of epistemology here is akin to using quantum mechanics to explain why your toaster isn’t working -- it’s not just wrong, it’s hilariously irrelevant.
Epistemology is like "physics", it's the wider category. For example the scientific method is a subset of rational epistemology. QM is part of physics and so is bulk electrodynamics. So it would be like using "physics" to explain why the toaster isn't working, and there is nothing silly about that.


My statement is factual. There is no evidence connecting Joe Biden in any financially beneficial arrangement with Hunter's biz deals. None.
Joe Biden is part of the Biden family. It's in his name. His son calls him father. His brother calls him brother. Your statement that Joe Biden is not part of the Biden family is false.


You’re trying to equate legitimate business dealings by legal U.S. citizens
Nothing I have said could possibly be construed by a sane honest person as a concession that what Hunter & friends were doing was "legitimate business dealings". I've said the opposite and I have no benefit of the doubt for anyone who does not agree.


Let me make this simple for you: You’re accusing the President of the United States of corruption. That’s a serious charge, and it requires serious evidence.
Rape is a serious charge, but apparently it doesn't require evidence if you're talking about one particular President of the United States.


Once again you misunderstand the law and declare your disdain for it in one breath. McDonnell v. United States absolutely applies, and your dismissive attitude doesn’t change that. The ruling clarified that bribery requires a direct quid pro quo for an official act -- not vague accusations or appearances. Comer and company lack any evidence tying Joe Biden to such a deal.
Define "direct quid pro quo". <- better refuse, if you refuse to explain yourself that means you're right by default (lol)


Your dismissal of case law because it’s inconvenient isn’t bold; it’s childish. McDonnell reinforced that corruption cases require clear evidence to avoid criminalizing normal political behavior. Contempt for this precedent reveals contempt for the rule of law itself.
Given that "normal" politicians seem to exit office significantly more wealthy than they went in, far in excess of the salary, it might behoove the interested citizen to stop tolerating "normal political behavior".


I've cut out a vast amount of your blathering sophistry as a courtesy to the reader, if you wish to advance the actual debate you can answer:
No one is disputing who the 'big guy' is. That fact doesn't prove anything.
If you aren't disputing that the big guy is Joe Biden, why would anyone think they should arrange for Joe Biden to get 10%?
 
So the false premise is _____?



"admit" to looking for contradictions. Oh the shame!

That is debate. Whatever else you think you've been doing is a waste of time. The guy with the least contradictions in the most predictive theories is right, that's logic.



It's more like I made a move, you refuse to move a piece and you're now gloating about the fact that I can't make any further moves if you don't "let me" by responding with a move of your own.

You say stupid thing, you won't explain your thinking (reasons, philosophy), then you brag that I don't know precisely what's wrong with your thinking.



....and all further questions along that line such as: What is evidence? Does it need to be "corroborated"? What is corroboration?



Epistemology is like "physics", it's the wider category. For example the scientific method is a subset of rational epistemology. QM is part of physics and so is bulk electrodynamics. So it would be like using "physics" to explain why the toaster isn't working, and there is nothing silly about that.



Joe Biden is part of the Biden family. It's in his name. His son calls him father. His brother calls him brother. Your statement that Joe Biden is not part of the Biden family is false.



Nothing I have said could possibly be construed by a sane honest person as a concession that what Hunter & friends were doing was "legitimate business dealings". I've said the opposite and I have no benefit of the doubt for anyone who does not agree.



Rape is a serious charge, but apparently it doesn't require evidence if you're talking about one particular President of the United States.



Define "direct quid pro quo". <- better refuse, if you refuse to explain yourself that means you're right by default (lol)



Given that "normal" politicians seem to exit office significantly more wealthy than they went in, far in excess of the salary, it might behoove the interested citizen to stop tolerating "normal political behavior".


I've cut out a vast amount of your blathering sophistry as a courtesy to the reader, if you wish to advance the actual debate you can answer:
Good luck trying to get through to that one..
 
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Debating these topics with you is so intellectually stimulating (does that sound too faggoty? Sorry....)

 
Joe Biden is part of the Biden family. It's in his name. His son calls him father. His brother calls him brother. Your statement that Joe Biden is not part of the Biden family is false.
You fool, you know damn well I didn't mean it in the genealogical 'family' sense, but I guess I'll just have hold your hand once more and repeat it:


No, play close attention, Mr (antithesis of) Liberty, the right's (and your) use of the phrase 'The Biden Family" is a tactic by the you and the right to create the ILLUSION that Hunter Biden's biz deals include Joe Biden.

Since there is no evidence of that fact, the tactic, your tactic, is disingenuous.

All of your vacuous allegations do not overcome the one glaring fact in your rhetoric, which is as follows:

You don't have evidence that implicates Joe Biden in any wrong doing.

claiming otherwise without proof is vacuous and not a merit worthy argument.

Put up or shut up.

Shit or get off the pot.

Stop it with these empty allegations, they aren't worth spit.

But, unfortunately for you, if US Attorney David Weiss, during two years under Trump, and four years as SC under Garland, could not find any hint of money laundering or influence peddling for Hunter or Joe, explain to me how you think you can?

You can't overcome that one.

And don't give me any weasel phrases like 'all sane persons agree with you', POSTURING bullshit, that's sophomoric.
 
You fool, you know damn well I didn't mean it in the genealogical 'family' sense
Well I did and you were responding to me. The vast majority of humans are genetically predisposed to be well disposed to their genetic relatives. Especially offspring.

So even if the benefits were directly to Joe's children and siblings that does not mean they weren't also beneficial to him since it is extremely likely that he values his children and siblings. Therefore it is more than plausible that he could be bribed using benefits to his family as payment.

Of course he probably did see some direct benefit. They seem to entangle their finances to a considerable degree, my family does the same.


But, unfortunately for you, if US Attorney David Weiss, during two years under Trump, and four years as SC under Garland, could not find any hint of money laundering or influence peddling for Hunter or Joe, explain to me how you think you can?

You can't overcome that one.
Sure I can, I've got an example of someone who can ignore obvious facts right in front of me.

Speaking of obvious facts, a question is outstanding:
No one is disputing who the 'big guy' is. That fact doesn't prove anything.
If you aren't disputing that the big guy is Joe Biden, why would anyone think they should arrange for Joe Biden to get 10%?
 
Well I did and you were responding to me. The vast majority of humans are genetically predisposed to be well disposed to their genetic relatives. Especially offspring.
You don't indict someone because of your genealogical sentiments, so, I repeat: Pay close attention, the right's (and your) use of the phrase 'The Biden Family" is a tactic by the you and the right to create the ILLUSION that Hunter Biden's biz deals include Joe Biden. THAT IS THE ONLY REASON YOU GUYS USE THE PHRASE.
So even if the benefits were directly to Joe's children and siblings that does not mean they weren't also beneficial to him since it is extremely likely that he values his children and siblings. Therefore it is more than plausible that he could be bribed using benefits to his family as payment.

Of course he probably did see some direct benefit. They seem to entangle their finances to a considerable degree, my family does the same
You're not a congressman, turned Senator,, turned VP, turned President, who had been in public service so long that he learned LONG AGO to keep family finances separate given the hyenas on the other side of the isle will be licking there paws for any morsel of evidence. Biden saw you guys coming long before the idea hit your feeble brains.

Sorry, Biden is way smarter than all of you, MR 'dementia' is smarter than all of you, so if he is brain dead, then that isn't saying much about the right.
Sure I can, I've got an example of someone who can ignore obvious facts right in front of me.

Speaking of obvious facts, a question is outstanding:

Like I said, put up or shut up.

Like I said:

But, unfortunately for you, if US Attorney David Weiss, during two years under Trump, and four years as SC under Garland, could not find any hint of money laundering or influence peddling for Hunter or Joe, explain to me how you think you can?

You can't overcome that one.
 
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a better future......

And if that doesn't happen are you guys going to look for anything Trump might have done wrong?

I mean, already you guys have swallowed a Hitler-admiring felon as president, a guy who was an illegal alien when he started his first millions in the US, a sex-trafficker and pedo, a white nationalist TV weekend talk show host and a YET ANOTHER sex predator for cabinet offices. So it's hard to tell where your "line" is. I wonder if Trump will be able to hit it.
 
You are not on my level.

That's, of course, a lie. Because there are no higher degrees to be had. And that means you are, at best, a peer. But given your usual offers on display here I'll be quite generous in not just laughing out loud.

You are a semi-literate Mental Midget Motherfucking paid shil retard.

Shill has two "l's"

Get a real job, loser.

I'd ask you what you think a "real" job is but I suspect it would be kind of sad to see.
 
And if that doesn't happen are you guys going to look for anything Trump might have done wrong?

I mean, already you guys have swallowed a Hitler-admiring felon as president, a guy who was an illegal alien when he started his first millions in the US, a sex-trafficker and pedo, a white nationalist TV weekend talk show host and a YET ANOTHER sex predator for cabinet offices. So it's hard to tell where your "line" is. I wonder if Trump will be able to hit it.
Fuck the hell off, Stalinberg, nobody's buying your asinine commie bullshit and Democrat lies and projection in America.
Well, a supermajority are not. You're an assclown and it's time for serious business.
 
That's, of course, a lie. Because there are no higher degrees to be had. And that means you are, at best, a peer. But given your usual offers on display here I'll be quite generous in not just laughing out loud.



Shill has two "l's"



I'd ask you what you think a "real" job is but I suspect it would be kind of sad to see.
Oh yeah? What the name of your book? Hmm?
 
Shill has two "l's"



I'd ask you what you think a "real" job is but I suspect it would be kind of sad to see.
So, where's the book you wrote, then? I may not have 8 years of college, but I did get a Classical Liberal education when the getting was good,
as did my peers in my family. It's not like I haven't known how things work for decades, boy.
I considered running away from reality in Academia and decided against it.
A prof said something on the 1st day of class that made that happen, and good on him for doing so.
He was speaking the truth.
Those that can, do, those that can't, teach.
(or talk shit above their station) <<He didn't say that. I did. :tongout:
 
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Fuck the hell off, Stalinberg

"Stalinberg"? Is that some sort of confused attempt to call me a communist AND to make an antisemitic slur?


, nobody's buying your asinine commie bullshit and Democrat lies and projection in America.

You don't like the US justice system. I get that. You hate the fact that Trump has said and done many of the things the Left accuses him of ON TAPE so we all can hear and see it. Sure Matt Gaetz has yet to be convicted of his sex crimes, he certainly ran away as fast as he could from the release of the investigation into them.

You guys have it all in control now. Why can't you just enjoy your win? Why bitch and moan at us losers?

Well, a supermajority are not. You're an assclown and it's time for serious business.

"Serious business". From the doofuses who think placing across the board 60-100% tariffs on all incoming goods is going to be easy and wont' result in an almost INSTANTANEOUS rise in prices by up to 100%.

I can't wait to see your "serious business" in action.
 
And if that doesn't happen are you guys going to look for anything Trump might have done wrong?

I mean, already you guys have swallowed a Hitler-admiring felon as president, a guy who was an illegal alien when he started his first millions in the US, a sex-trafficker and pedo, a white nationalist TV weekend talk show host and a YET ANOTHER sex predator for cabinet offices. So it's hard to tell where your "line" is. I wonder if Trump will be able to hit it.

That's, of course, a lie. Because there are no higher degrees to be had. And that means you are, at best, a peer. But given your usual offers on display here I'll be quite generous in not just laughing out loud.



Shill has two "l's"



I'd ask you what you think a "real" job is but I suspect it would be kind of sad to see.

"Stalinberg"? Is that some sort of confused attempt to call me a communist AND to make an antisemitic slur?




You don't like the US justice system. I get that. You hate the fact that Trump has said and done many of the things the Left accuses him of ON TAPE so we all can hear and see it. Sure Matt Gaetz has yet to be convicted of his sex crimes, he certainly ran away as fast as he could from the release of the investigation into them.

You guys have it all in control now. Why can't you just enjoy your win? Why bitch and moan at us losers?



"Serious business". From the doofuses who think placing across the board 60-100% tariffs on all incoming goods is going to be easy and wont' result in an almost INSTANTANEOUS rise in prices by up to 100%.

I can't wait to see your "serious business" in action.

No books. Just articles, conference presentations and about 20 patents. But no books. Sorry.
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You're a toxic stupid piece of shit. LV246.
 
Is this more of these famous "sock hunts"? Because you've been shown to be a moron? Sorry, I'm not responsible for your lack of education. If it had been up to me, you would have been able to finish high school.
You're LV246 or/and Diesel. You ain't nobody else on this motherfuckin' planet, chump.
 
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