Marxism: a cynical abstraction of base tribalism.

goat said:
Capital is possibly the most difficult read there is but the first volume should be mandatory in every high school. It explains why we the people deserve something better than capitalism. Young folk have already figured that out because they don't have the same opportunities as we did.
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Even capitalism has to have some regulations or you end up with people like Bezos and Bozos!

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AssHatZombie said:
im not sure what you mean.

we just need to cut nations that enslave people out of trade.

sanctions instead of favored nation status.
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slavery evolved into feudalism
feudalism evolved into capitalism
capitalism devolved into imperialism

When a system refuses to evolve it dies. We're witnessing the death of capitalism. There are protests going on all over the world and the capitalist solution is lockdowns and militarized police. Marx told us that we deserve better and young folk are demanding change.
 
BidenPresident said:
Ok, the political theory of Plato, Aristotle, Locke, Machiavelli, Mill, Hegel, US Constitution, Rawls. Others.
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I don't know why the US Constitution is in that list as it is diametrically opposed to the rest of it.

Boiled down, it appears you have a Leftist view of politics. That is, you espouse that a Dictatorship of Virtue with a Statist Capitalist or purely Socialist economy as the goal of a nation.

Defined, that would be a strong central government headed by a supposedly benevolent oligarchy, with a monarch or dictator at its head, where democracy has a limited role. Private property would be limited but allowed, and the state controls most aspects of life. The objective of this government would be hedonistic to a good degree. That is, the object of a citizen's life is to contribute what they want to society while being able to exist comfortably and happily within it so long as they bow to the state.

Sounds horrible, a lot like China but not quite as virulent a dictatorship.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I don't know why the US Constitution is in that list as it is diametrically opposed to the rest of it.

Boiled down, it appears you have a Leftist view of politics. That is, you espouse that a Dictatorship of Virtue with a Statist Capitalist or purely Socialist economy as the goal of a nation.

Defined, that would be a strong central government headed by a supposedly benevolent oligarchy, with a monarch or dictator at its head, where democracy has a limited role. Private property would be limited but allowed, and the state controls most aspects of life. The objective of this government would be hedonistic to a good degree. That is, the object of a citizen's life is to contribute what they want to society while being able to exist comfortably and happily within it so long as they bow to the state.

Sounds horrible, a lot like China but not quite as virulent a dictatorship.
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you're dumb. not worth it
 
BidenPresident said:
you're dumb. not worth it
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Really?

Plato, to take just one on your list, wanted a dictatorship of vitrue. He advocated for an absolute monarchy and a form of socialist state in which there would be three classes of citizen:

Guardians. Today, these might be called something like "Party members" or the "Central Committee."
Military. Obvious
Producers. Basically everybody else who kowtow to the Guardians who use the military to enforce their will.

His objective was to create a Utopia by the leadership guiding the citizenry to it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Really?

Plato, to take just one on your list, wanted a dictatorship of vitrue. He advocated for an absolute monarchy and a form of socialist state in which there would be three classes of citizen:

Guardians. Today, these might be called something like "Party members" or the "Central Committee."
Military. Obvious
Producers. Basically everybody else who kowtow to the Guardians who use the military to enforce their will.

His objective was to create a Utopia by the leadership guiding the citizenry to it.
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No, you never read Plato; he never said that. Don't bullshit me.

And, my god, reading someone does not mean you agree with everything. How fucking childish.
 
goat said:
slavery evolved into feudalism
feudalism evolved into capitalism
capitalism devolved into imperialism

When a system refuses to evolve it dies. We're witnessing the death of capitalism. There are protests going on all over the world and the capitalist solution is lockdowns and militarized police. Marx told us that we deserve better and young folk are demanding change.
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You are conflating economics with political systems.
 
BidenPresident said:
No, you never read Plato; he never said that. Don't bullshit me.

And, my god, reading someone does not mean you agree with everything. How fucking childish.
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Maybe you should read his ideas then:

http://ndl.ethernet.edu.et/bitstream/123456789/21089/1/10.pdf

Here's the 'Cliff Notes' version:

https://skillavid.com/plato-politic...e,in the ideal state. Best form of Government

Best form of Government
According to Plato, the best form of government is ‘absolute monarchy.’ He opposes democracy since ignorant and incompetent politicians can create political instability by their misdeeds.
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Even the most basic source says I'm correct:

Plato's political philosophy has been the subject of much criticism. In Plato's Republic, Socrates is highly critical of democracy and proposes an aristocracy ruled by philosopher-kings. Plato's political philosophy has thus often been considered totalitarian by some
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_political_philosophy
 
T. A. Gardner said:
You are conflating economics with political systems.
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Politicians do what their "capitalist" owners tell them to do. Pfizer CEO made a fortune over the past 10 months on vaccine policy while countless small businesses were forced to close.
 
goat said:
slavery evolved into feudalism
feudalism evolved into capitalism
capitalism devolved into imperialism

When a system refuses to evolve it dies. We're witnessing the death of capitalism. There are protests going on all over the world and the capitalist solution is lockdowns and militarized police. Marx told us that we deserve better and young folk are demanding change.
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you're typing nonsense.

the technocratic new world order you seek has failed, all because you're an idiot.
 
goat said:
Politicians do what their "capitalist" owners tell them to do. Pfizer CEO made a fortune over the past 10 months on vaccine policy while countless small businesses were forced to close.
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see, this is fascism and corrupt crony capitalism.

capitalism can be saved with trust busting, reasonable trade policies, currency reform, and just general common sense.

we can have capitalism without allowing insane oligarchs to drive society off a cliff.
 
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AssHatZombie said:
you're typing nonsense.

the technocratic new world order you seek has failed, all because you're an idiot.
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I read the first volume of Capital by Marx so you're trying to shoot the messenger. Marxism is about the unification of class, gender and race for a common goal, which is worker owned production. A corporation can't move to China because the workers get a vote on the decision making. Marxism is a company or community democracy that won't allow the one vote of a CEO and his toadies on the board of directors to destroy a town to save a few bucks by offshoring.

Marxism is a lot like that movie Tommy Boy.
 
goat said:
I read the first volume of Capital by Marx so you're trying to shoot the messenger. Marxism is about the unification of class, gender and race for a common goal, which is worker owned production. A corporation can't move to China because the workers get a vote on the decision making. Marxism is a company or community democracy that won't allow the one vote of a CEO and his toadies on the board of directors to destroy a town to save a few bucks by offshoring.

Marxism is a lot like that movie Tommy Boy.
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marxism is about centralizing power and sustaining a party elite.

it's a cynical abstraction of base tribalism.
 
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