Mary Jo Kopechne back in spotlight

[WinterBorn]

He tried to save her before he went for help.

Now prove he did not?

From: http://www.examiner.com/x-5919-Norf...t-ChappaquiddickKennedys-story-still-doubtful


"The diver who recovered Kopechne’s body, John Farrar testified at the official inquest that her body was found where the air pocket would have formed. He said: “Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of the accident occurring, and was able, as I was the following morning, to be at the victim's side within twenty-five minutes of receiving the call, in such event there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.”"


Kennedy's own testimony was: "I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock."

But oddly enough, after getting out of the water, he jumped back into the water and swam the 500 feet across the channel to Edgartown.





Evince, you talk about what the evidence says, but the true evidence is so sketchy as to be almost unuseable.

There was no autopsy done on Mary Jo, so ther eis no way to know how she actually died or how long it took her to drown. The local police treated Kennedy like such a celebrity that their work is hardly laudable. In fact, the police chief gave up his office so Kennedy could make phone calls using his desk.

 

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No one can really prove either way.

Conservatives want to think it was murder or incredible cowardice, because they hate Teddy. Liberals want to believe he tried, because he's Teddy.

But there is no way for anyone but Teddy to know, or God, if you believe in one.

I don't believe it was murder. I believe he was under the influence and more concerned about himself. As many articles have stated, he was coherent enough to go find his aides and tell them what happened, but somehow too much in shock to tell the cops?

Like you stated, no one can prove what really happened that night... as both people in the car are now dead.

 

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No one can really prove either way.

Conservatives want to think it was murder or incredible cowardice, because they hate Teddy. Liberals want to believe he tried, because he's Teddy.

But there is no way for anyone but Teddy to know, or God, if you believe in one.

true...all else is using circumstantial evidence....i honestly believe that if he had not had such a powerful family and he was brought to trial...the outcome would have been different for him....

 

[DamnYankee]

Serve up your "proof".

Posts 26 and 29. Good enough for me. I care less about Ted then Ted did about Mary Joe. *shrug*

 

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From: http://www.examiner.com/x-5919-Norf...t-ChappaquiddickKennedys-story-still-doubtful


"The diver who recovered Kopechne’s body, John Farrar testified at the official inquest that her body was found where the air pocket would have formed. He said: “Had I received a call within five to ten minutes of the accident occurring, and was able, as I was the following morning, to be at the victim's side within twenty-five minutes of receiving the call, in such event there is a strong possibility that she would have been alive on removal from the submerged car.”"

Kennedy's own testimony was: "I came to the surface and then repeatedly dove down to the car in an attempt to see if the passenger was still in the car. I was unsuccessful in the attempt. I was exhausted and in a state of shock."

But oddly enough, after getting out of the water, he jumped back into the water and swam the 500 feet across the channel to Edgartown.





Evince, you talk about what the evidence says, but the true evidence is so sketchy as to be almost unuseable.

There was no autopsy done on Mary Jo, so ther eis no way to know how she actually died or how long it took her to drown. The local police treated Kennedy like such a celebrity that their work is hardly laudable. In fact, the police chief gave up his office so Kennedy could make phone calls using his desk.

very powerful evidence....unfortunately he was not tried back then

 

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Esther Newberg was at the party.

She said no one was drinking excessively.

Kennedy was there, Esther Newberg was there.

YOU were not You can speculate as to what happened but then that would just be pulling things out of your ass huh?

He recounted the accident and no one ever found anything that contridicted his version.

after goign back to the cottage he and the other men went back to the car and tried again to get her at Kennedys request.

Why do you insist on seeing what YOU WANT instead of the facts?

You are so wrapped up in your partisan blinders that you miss the one seemingly inescapable FACT....

He was coherent enough to call his friends.

He was coherent enough to 'go back and try again to rescue her' (as you yourself proclaimed).

yet somehow he was in too much shock to tell the COPS????

why is that Desh?

 

[Onceler]

Has anyone on the thread ever been involved in a serious accident?

It is very freaky, and disorientating. And that is without the water.

I'm not making excuses for him; I have no idea what happened. But, imo, people are a little too quick to outline a perfect scenario for rescue in that situation.

As we all know, there are a few different categories of people under those circumstances. There are real heroes, who are pretty fearless & cool under the gun - like that guy who jumped under the subway to save someone in NYC. On the opposite end of the spectrum are people who wilt completely under pressure, and panic to a point where they can't think straight for a moment. Most people fall somewhere in between.

 

[Topspin]

Deshtard is alive and well.
If Teddy were a republican she would be as vile as she is against Bush.

He went back 10hrs later, what a hero.
A real man would not have left that woman after he got himself out.
He wanted to sober up before the cops got there.

 

[Cancel5]

Has anyone on the thread ever been involved in a serious accident?

It is very freaky, and disorientating. And that is without the water.

I'm not making excuses for him; I have no idea what happened. But, imo, people are a little too quick to outline a perfect scenario for rescue in that situation.

As we all know, there are a few different categories of people under those circumstances. There are real heroes, who are pretty fearless & cool under the gun - like that guy who jumped under the subway to save someone in NYC. On the opposite end of the spectrum are people who wilt completely under pressure, and panic to a point where they can't think straight for a moment. Most people fall somewhere in between.

I am a total disaster! I don't do anything right. It is horrible...

I am not making excuses either, he saved his ass, but who wouldn't honesty now?

Would you all go to the police station still intoxicated and turn yourself in, would allow your child? or would you lawyer up?

Honestly now. what would you do?

 

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Has anyone on the thread ever been involved in a serious accident?

It is very freaky, and disorientating. And that is without the water.

I'm not making excuses for him; I have no idea what happened. But, imo, people are a little too quick to outline a perfect scenario for rescue in that situation.

As we all know, there are a few different categories of people under those circumstances. There are real heroes, who are pretty fearless & cool under the gun - like that guy who jumped under the subway to save someone in NYC. On the opposite end of the spectrum are people who wilt completely under pressure, and panic to a point where they can't think straight for a moment. Most people fall somewhere in between.

the problem with this is....rescue was said to have been probable (by a rescue person at the time) had he contacted authorities right away....you know, what the law requires you to do and what most people do regardless if there is a law....

that he failed to contact authorities is significant

 

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Has anyone on the thread ever been involved in a serious accident?

It is very freaky, and disorientating. And that is without the water.

I'm not making excuses for him; I have no idea what happened. But, imo, people are a little too quick to outline a perfect scenario for rescue in that situation.

As we all know, there are a few different categories of people under those circumstances. There are real heroes, who are pretty fearless & cool under the gun - like that guy who jumped under the subway to save someone in NYC. On the opposite end of the spectrum are people who wilt completely under pressure, and panic to a point where they can't think straight for a moment. Most people fall somewhere in between.

I agree, it can be disorienting... which again brings us back to the ... if he was coherent enough to find his friends and tell them... why is it he didn't tell the cops?

We cannot know whether or not she would have been saved had he called the cops as soon as he got back to his friends. But we can know that the excuse some are tossing out...'that he was in shock' is nothing more than bullshit.

 

[DamnYankee]

I am a total disaster! I don't do anything right. It is horrible...

I am not making excuses either, he saved his ass, but who wouldn't honesty now?

Would you all go to the police station still intoxicated and turn yourself in, would allow your child? or would you lawyer up?

Honestly now. what would you do?

I wouldn't leave some girl that I was responsible for to drown. *shrug*

 

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I agree, it can be disorienting... which again brings us back to the ... if he was coherent enough to find his friends and tell them... why is it he didn't tell the cops?

We cannot know whether or not she would have been saved had he called the cops as soon as he got back to his friends. But we can know that the excuse some are tossing out...'that he was in shock' is nothing more than bullshit.

exactly

 

[Cancel5]

exactly

Yeah, he should have gone to the police, would you? Would you urge your child to do so, also.

What he did was wrong, but I ask again, what would you have done?

It is easy to say when you haven't ever been in the position, but we never know how we will act, until it is our reality!

 

[Onceler]

Yeah, he should have gone to the police, would you? Would you urge your child to do so, also.

What he did was wrong, but I ask again, what would you have done?

It is easy to say when you haven't ever been in the position, but we never know how we will act, until it is our reality!

Everyone's a subway hero, until they have a real situation on their hands.

 

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Yeah, he should have gone to the police, would you? Would you urge your child to do so, also.

What he did was wrong, but I ask again, what would you have done?

It is easy to say when you haven't ever been in the position, but we never know how we will act, until it is our reality!

he contacted many of his relatives....they didn't call the police, he didn't call the police....i wonder why....

 

[Cancel5]

he contacted many of his relatives....they didn't call the police, he didn't call the police....i wonder why....

He was drunk and knew his ass was in a lot of trouble, what would you do, now honestly?

Now honestly what would you have done?

 

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Everyone's a subway hero, until they have a real situation on their hands.

It is not heroic to go to the police to report an accident you caused. Especially when someones life could hang in the balance. It is not heroic... it is responsibility.

Again... why did no one call the cops? Supposedly his friends went out to try to save her... supposedly Ted did as well... yet no one called the cops or paramedics for help? Oh wait, but he did realize 9 hours after the accident that yes, he should call the cops.... enough time to let the affects of the alcohol wear off perhaps???

 

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He was drunk and knew his ass was in a lot of trouble, what would you do, now honestly?

Now honestly what would you have done?

I would have called the cops. He was cognizant enough to know her life was in danger. Cognizant enough to tell his friends. Yet NONE of them called the cops. Knowing your ass is in trouble vs. your ass is in MORE trouble... hmmm... which would I choose?

 

[Onceler]

Froggie's being honest. Everyone else just wants to crucify.

I have no interest in defending Ted. He was a pretty arrogant son of privelege, who by most accounts was a lifelong drunk (and a bad one, at that). If I had to wager a guess, I'd say he completely panicked, assumed she was dead and was afraid to turn himself in because he didn't want to go to jail.

That probably characterizes the majority of the population in circumstances of dubious legality. It certainly doesn't make him admirable, but I sincerely doubt he's the killer many on the right paint him as.