Masculinity, what is it? What’s toxic.

Yakuda said:
Oh is that what your "doctor" calls it? I bet you're the "back"pain type. Slip and fall at the local supermarket. Am I right? Oh course I am.
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So you're high and wanted to share that with me? Well let me know where you are and perhaps we can partake.
 
TOP said:
Do you need examples of titles won....records broken...spots taken away from women on the teams...
? It's pretty easily to Google them but if you need help let me know...
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So no teams taken over?
 
Jarod said:
So no teams taken over?
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Teams disrupted... so you might say "taken" over... Here's an example: a team ends up in third place because of all the wins from a male participating on the female team They've taken over a spot that should have gone to another team... one with all female athletes..do you understand how that works?
 
Jarod said:
...what are characteristics, of Toxic masculinity and what are characteristics Of healthy masculinity?
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This explains it: https://greenhillrecovery.com/toxic-masculinity-vs-healthy-masculinity/
toxic masculinity vs. healthy masculinity
Find out the differences between toxic and healthy masculinity
Traits of toxic or unhealthy masculinity can include:

Unconditional physical toughness
Physical aggression, fear of emotions
Discrimination against people that aren't heterosexual
Hyper independence
Sexual aggression or violence
Anti-feminist behavior

Many people who identify as male can feel pressure to embody traits of toxic masculinity, which can lead them to act aggressively or violently towards others and themselves.
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JPP has several examples of this faux masculinity. They're all tough guys behind their keyboard and often declare themselves to be so.

However, ask them to show up for a fight or on 1/6 and they're always no shows.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
This explains it: https://greenhillrecovery.com/toxic-masculinity-vs-healthy-masculinity/
toxic masculinity vs. healthy masculinity
Find out the differences between toxic and healthy masculinity


JPP has several examples of this faux masculinity. They're all tough guys behind their keyboard and often declare themselves to be so.

However, ask them to show up for a fight or on 1/6 and they're always no shows.
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One must reasonably assume that the internet is casual entertainment, and that the preponderance of posters are self-created internet characters.
Even those of us who are on the up and up will be assumed to be self-created characters, and we mustn't let it bother us.
We can even use these forums [fora?] to broadcast true things that we shouldn't speak about because anybody with half a brain will assume that it's all bullshit anyway.

The thing is that we don't know, and we should always be aware that we don't know...and shouldn't care. It's just the facocta internet. Important correspondence occurs elsewhere.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
One must reasonably assume that the internet is casual entertainment, and that the preponderance of posters are self-created internet characters.
Even those of us who are on the up and up will be assumed to be self-created characters, and we mustn't let it bother us.
We can even use these forums [fora?] to broadcast true things that we shouldn't speak about because anybody with half a brain will assume that it's all bullshit anyway.

The thing is that we don't know, and we should always be aware that we don't know...and shouldn't care. It's just the facocta internet. Important correspondence occurs elsewhere.
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IMO, anonymous forums are akin to "a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts". While some wackadoodles may, indeed, be living a fantasy life online, the fact remains the fantasy is of their own creation. As such, it's part of their character and personality.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
IMO, anonymous forums are akin to "a drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts". While some wackadoodles may, indeed, be living a fantasy life online, the fact remains the fantasy is of their own creation. As such, it's part of their character and personality.
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An admittedly reasonable theory, Oom, if one is inclined to think that much about it.
I just tend to dismiss the internet as a venue for those without a good book to read or an interesting show to watch.
It disturbs me that I myself waste this amount of time on it, and it would surprise me if you don't feel the same.
There must be some crops for you to dust somewhere, no?
 
NiftyNiblick said:
An admittedly reasonable theory, Oom, if one is inclined to think that much about it.
I just tend to dismiss the internet as a venue for those without a good book to read or an interesting show to watch.
It disturbs me that I myself waste this amount of time on it, and it would surprise me if you don't feel the same.
There must be some crops for you to dust somewhere, no?
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My hobby is figuring out what makes people tick, especially the wackadoodles. JPP is certainly a target rich environment for analyzing nutjobs.

We all wear masks in public, mostly masks of civility. After all, it could lead to trouble to blurt out "Nice tits!" while shopping for groceries. Anonymous forums allow people to drop those masks. Even so, people still wear masks unless they get angry, then it's easy to see their true face.
 
SINCE DAY ONE of DOnald Trump's presidency, I have been baffled by one mystery: Why do working-class white men—the most reliable component of Donald Trump’s base—support someone who is, by their own standards, the least masculine man ever to hold the modern presidency? The question is not whether Trump fails to meet some archaic or idealized version of masculinity. The president’s inability to measure up to Marcus Aurelius or Omar Bradley is not the issue. Rather, the question is why so many of Trump’s working-class white male voters refuse to hold Trump to their own standards of masculinity—why they support a man who behaves more like a little boy- or even beyond that- A LITTLE SPOILED RICH BRAT THAT NEVER GOT A SPANKING! Like the child you often hear screaming at the top of their lings at the Grocery store because his MOMMY won't let him have some candy!

I am a son of the working class, and I know these cultural standards. The men I grew up with think of themselves as pretty tough guys, and most of them are. They are not the products of elite universities and cosmopolitan living. These are men whose fathers and grandfathers came from a culture that looks down upon lying, cheating, and bragging, especially about sex or courage.

Not every working-class male voted for Trump, and not all of them have these traits, of course. And I do not present these beliefs and attitudes as uniformly virtuous in themselves. Some of these traditional masculine virtues have a dark side: Toughness and dominance become bullying and abuse; self-reliance becomes isolation; silence becomes internalized rage. Rather, I am noting that courage, honesty, respect, an economy of words, a bit of modesty, and a willingness to take responsibility are all virtues prized by the self-identified class of hard-working men, the stand-up guys, among whom I was raised.

And yet, many of these same men expect none of those characteristics from Trump, who is a vain, cowardly, lying, vulgar, jabbering blowhard. Put another way, as a question I have asked many of the men I know: Is Trump a man your father and grandfather would have respected?

I should point out here that I am not criticizing Trump’s manifest lack of masculinity solely because he offends my personal sense of maleness. He does, of course. But then again, a lot about the president offends me, as a man, and as an American.

Trump behaves in ways that many working-class men would ridicule: “He wears bronzer, shits on a toilet made out of 24k solid Gold, is obsessed with his physical appearance (check out the strange comb-over folks), whines constantly, can't control his emotions, wags his wife around like a SEXUAL TROPHY, Said, "I would marry my daughter had she not been my daughter and BTW, SHE HAS NICE BEASTS". Real men would never make sexual comments about their daughters!

I am not a psychologist, BUT I AM WILLING TO TAKE A CLOSER LOOK!But, I cannot adjudicate the theories of male behavior that might explain some of this. Others have tried. Two researchers who looked back at the 2016 presidential election suggested that support for Trump was higher in areas where there were more internet searches for topics such as “erectile dysfunction,” “how to get girls,” and “penis enlargement” than in pro–Hillary Clinton areas of the country. (One can only hope that correlation is not causation.) The idea that insecure men support bullies and authoritarians is a sign of SEX GONE SOUR. To reduce all of this to sexual inadequacy, however, is too facile. It cannot explain why millions of men look the other way when Trump acts in ways they would typically find shameful. Nor is arguing that Trump is a bad person and therefore that the people who support him are either brainwashed or also bad people helpful. He is, and some of them are. But that doesn’t explain why men who would normally ostracize someone like Trump continue to embrace him.

In order to think about why these men support Trump, one must first grasp how deeply they are betraying their own definition of masculinity by looking more closely at the flaws they should, in principle, find revolting.

Is Trump honorable? This is a man who routinely refused to pay working people their due wages, and then lawyered them into the ground when they objected to being exploited. Trump is a rich downtown bully, the sort most working men usually hate. He has filed Bankrupt 6 times now, and leaving many investors holding the tab for millions upon millions of dollars they trusted to him, leaving workers and staff unpaid for their services and without paychecks. Yet he maintains a lavish lifestyle while floating his Billionaire status.

But even if we excuse Trump for the occasional hyperbole, the fact of the matter is that Trump is an obvious coward. He has two particular phobias: powerful men and intelligent women.

Whenever he is in the company of Russian President Vladimir Putin, to take the most cringe-inducing example, he visibly cowers. His attempts to ingratiate himself with Putin are embarrassing, especially given how effortlessly Putin can bend Trump to his will. When the Russian leader got Trump alone at a summit in Helsinki, he scared him so badly that at the subsequent joint press conference, Putin smiled pleasantly while the president of the United States publicly took the word of a former KGB officer over his own intelligence agencies.

Likewise, as Trump has shown repeatedly in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis, he is eager to criticize China, until he is asked about Chinese President Xi Jinping. In the course of the same few minutes, Trump will attack China—his preferred method for escaping responsibility for America’s disastrous response to the coronavirus pandemic—and then he will babble about how much he likes President Xi, desperately seeking to avoid giving offense to the Chinese Communist Party boss.

This is related to one of Trump’s most noticeable problems, which is that he can never stop talking. The old-school standard of masculinity is the strong and silent type, like Gary Cooper back in the day or Tom Hardy today. Trump, by comparison, is neither strong nor capable of silence.

And when Trump talks too much, he ends up saying things that more stereotypically masculine men wouldn’t, like that he fell in love with North Korea’s Kim Jong Un. “He wrote me beautiful letters, and they’re great letters,” Trump told a rally in West Virginia. “We fell in love.” One can only imagine the reaction among working-class white men if Barack Obama, or any other U.S. president, had talked about falling in love with a foreign leader. (George W. Bush once said he saw into Putin’s soul, and he has never lived it down among his critics.)

Is Trump a man who respects women? This is what secure and masculine men would expect, especially from a husband and a father of two daughters.

Leave aside for the moment that the working-class white men in the president’s base don’t seem to care that Trump had an affair with a porn star while his wife was home with a new baby, something for which many of them would probably beat their own brother-in-law senseless if he did it to their sister. Trump’s voters, male and female, have already decided to excuse this and other sordid episodes.

Sorry for my rant folks- BUT I AM MOST EMBARRASSED BY TRUMPTARDED MEN- EMBARRASSED FOR THEM!
 
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