Mass shootings = symptoms of a much worse problem

Into the Night said:
Fallacy fallacy. I made no compositional error here at all.
To say a war is coming is not a compositional error.
To say the war is going to be a religious war is not a compositional error.

You committed an inversion fallacy. The bigotry is YOURS. I never mentioned anything about my faith or my beliefs in my statements here. It doesn't matter what my religion is.
You say you are 'agnostic'. That itself is a religion.

The religions of conflict however will involve The Church of No God, Islam, Christianity, the Church of Karl Marx, the Church of Green, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of Covid, the Church of No Gender, etc.
Agnostics will be affected by it, as people accuse them of various other religions.

Keep yer powder dry.
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had you said atheism is a religion, I would of agreed - that also requires faith

agnosticism does not require faith, it requires a lack of faith
 
Into the Night said:
Fallacy fallacy. I made no compositional error here at all.
To say a war is coming is not a compositional error.
To say the war is going to be a religious war is not a compositional error.

You committed an inversion fallacy. The bigotry is YOURS. I never mentioned anything about my faith or my beliefs in my statements here. It doesn't matter what my religion is.
You say you are 'agnostic'. That itself is a religion.

The religions of conflict however will involve The Church of No God, Islam, Christianity, the Church of Karl Marx, the Church of Green, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of Covid, the Church of No Gender, etc.
Agnostics will be affected by it, as people accuse them of various other religions.

Keep yer powder dry.
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It stopped reading after the first line.
 
zymurgy said:
So you are also sick of people being called fascists for wanting a 15 week limit on abortion?

Or you aren't a nazi for wanting to know what books are in your kids schools?

The solution to the violence is to respect people with differing views, but I don't think the progressives can do that
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Well, for sure - but it's hardly just one side. Many on the right call those on the left "wackos" and talk about them in terms you would use for an enemy, as opposed to just an adversary.

It was a bummer to see how conservatives reacted to Liz Cheney giving Biden a fist-bump. Like, even that isn't allowed anymore. Tip O'Neil and Reagan used to regularly have dinner together and talk through disagreements. We've lost that, for that most part.

Overall, there is some good discussion on this thread. But it's also easy to spot where both sides are dug in. Often, the answer to something lies somewhere in the middle - but it's hard for us to get there.
 
zymurgy said:
you also are incapable of knowing - it requires faith, which I apparently lack

now go on about how smart you are for being able to know when others need faith

this should be fucking rich. :laugh:
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Who but you mentioned faith? Fucking retard. You're right you are incapable of knowing.
 
BartenderElite said:
Well, for sure - but it's hardly just one side. Many on the right call those on the left "wackos" and talk about them in terms you would use for an enemy, as opposed to just an adversary.

It was a bummer to see how conservatives reacted to Liz Cheney giving Biden a fist-bump. Like, even that isn't allowed anymore. Tip O'Neil and Reagan used to regularly have dinner together and talk through disagreements. We've lost that, for that most part.

Overall, there is some good discussion on this thread. But it's also easy to spot where both sides are dug in. Often, the answer to something lies somewhere in the middle - but it's hard for us to get there.
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of course it isn't one side - I used a simple exercise and baited the bigots on the right and you can see their vitriol go to 11 right away.
 
BartenderElite said:
Well, for sure - but it's hardly just one side. Many on the right call those on the left "wackos" and talk about them in terms you would use for an enemy, as opposed to just an adversary.

It was a bummer to see how conservatives reacted to Liz Cheney giving Biden a fist-bump. Like, even that isn't allowed anymore. Tip O'Neil and Reagan used to regularly have dinner together and talk through disagreements. We've lost that, for that most part.

Overall, there is some good discussion on this thread. But it's also easy to spot where both sides are dug in. Often, the answer to something lies somewhere in the middle - but it's hard for us to get there.
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There is no middle when you are facing liars
 
zymurgy said:
yay, another bigot

You don't strike me as being particularly brilliant. Arrogance is not intellect, so I will not even ask how you think you know
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Fallacy fallacy. I don't think you know what 'bigot' even means. You keep using that word in an invalid way.

Let me explain:
A compositional error is a logical fallacy (an error in logic similar to a math error, invalidating an argument). In this case, it is extending a property of a class improperly across the class or to the class itself.
Example: Imagine a bag of marbles. You pull out a white one. You immediately assume that all other marbles in the bag are white.
In this case, the class is a bag of marbles, and the property is the color.

When a compositional error involves the class being people, it is bigotry.
When the property being extended is a genetic trait, that is racism.

These two words can be easily defined in this way.

He made no compositional error fallacy. Neither did I. Yet you call 'bigotry' when it does not exist. The basis for this is assuming that anyone doing this is trying to force their religion upon others. That itself is bigotry. It is what YOU are doing.

I really don't give a flying fuck whether you worship God, a nameless and formless being (what agnostism is), demons and spirits in objects (Shintoism), Buddhism, or even believe in the Church of No God. You could worship magick rocks for all I care. Some people do (the crystal worshipers).

If you want to discuss religion and what is considered 'true', take it to the Religious forums. Here, I expect you to use English and not buzzwords. Here, I expect you to be reasonably civil and not spend your time derailing the thread while insulting others.
 
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Into the Night said:
Fallacy fallacy. I don't think you know what 'bigot' even means. You keep using that word in an invalid way.

Let me explain:
A compositional error is a logical fallacy (an error in logic similar to a math error, invalidating an argument). In this case, it is extending a property of a class improperly across the class or to the class itself.
Example: Imagine a bag of marbles. You pull out a white one. You immediately assume that all other marbles in the bag are white.
In this case, the class is a bag of marbles, and the property is the color.

When a compositional error involves the class being people, it is bigotry.
When the property being extended is a genetic trait, that is racism.

These two words can be easily defined in this way.

He made no compositional error fallacy. Neither did I. Yet you call 'bigotry' when it does not exist. The basis for this is assuming that anyone doing this is trying to force their religion upon others. That itself is bigotry. It is what YOU are doing.
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after you morons learn what faith means, we can talk :laugh:
 
Yakuda said:
I agree with a lot of that. Let me ask you a question, do you think there are more guns now than 30-40 years ago? I havent researched it so i don't know. Any idea?
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Yes, there are. Every time a Democrat President talks about banning guns, gun manufacturers cheer and ramp up production. First there was Clinton, then Obama and now Biden. Owners of gun manufacturer stock are rejoicing!

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zymurgy said:
had you said atheism is a religion, I would of agreed - that also requires faith

agnosticism does not require faith, it requires a lack of faith
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WRONG. Agnosticism is a belief that a god or gods may or may not exist, and cannot describe the characteristics of any such god or gods, should they actually exist. This itself is an act of faith.
You are making a circular argument to try to deny a circular argument. The other name for the circular argument is the argument of faith. ALL beliefs require faith.

Take your whining to the religious forum. It doesn't belong here. This thread is about a shooting in Nashville, not religious beliefs.
 
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Into the Night said:
WRONG. Agnosticism is a belief that a god or gods may or may not exist, and cannot describe the characteristics of any such god or gods, should they actually exist. This itself is an act of faith.
You are making a circular argument to try to deny a circular argument. The other name for the circular argument is the argument of faith. ALL beliefs require faith.
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Agnosticism is a lack of a belief. it is a null set that you are assigning a value, so you got it wrong
 
Grokmaster said:
Stop trying to imply that guns are walking around killing people of their own volition.

It's NOT the guns; it's the Democrats.

if we disarm democrats, the murder rate would drop by 90%, especially in our major democrat urban areas.
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Gatling Ghettos

The government-sponsored jungle enclaves might as well be called "machine-gun nests" for all the shooting the wild savages get away with. There should be no civil rights for the uncivilized.
 
BartenderElite said:
Well, for sure - but it's hardly just one side. Many on the right call those on the left "wackos" and talk about them in terms you would use for an enemy, as opposed to just an adversary.

It was a bummer to see how conservatives reacted to Liz Cheney giving Biden a fist-bump. Like, even that isn't allowed anymore. Tip O'Neil and Reagan used to regularly have dinner together and talk through disagreements. We've lost that, for that most part.

Overall, there is some good discussion on this thread. But it's also easy to spot where both sides are dug in. Often, the answer to something lies somewhere in the middle - but it's hard for us to get there.
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Why the fuck does Liz Cheney giving Biden a fist-bump mean anything?
Different conservatives reacted in different ways. A lot of them didn't give a shit. Bigotry.
 
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