Mental Illness is not to blame for gun violence

Nordberg said:
The Constitution was written when we had a citizen army. They had to get arms to fight off invaders like England. When invaders hit the shores, the people fought them. It is not like that anymore. We have a huge army trained for that. We do not need to flood America with guns making it a much less safe country. We shoot each other for sport.
The thread was about mental illness not at fault for gun violence. It certainly is. Not nearly all of it, but lots of it. The NRA fights any background checks. They used to back them but changed when gun manufacturers insisted they reverse their position. Background checks get a huge majority in almost every group and demographic, near 80 percent. But we do not have them. Money doesn't talk, it swears. It lies. And Americans die.
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Every.Single.Firearm.I.Have.Bought from a dealer I have had to submit to a background check. Sometimes several in a day ... if I have made more than one deal for a firearm. If someone with a shady background gets a firearm from a [legitimate] dealer he will have to submit to a background check.
 
leaningright said:
I have over 20 long guns and 6 or 7 handguns ... plus thousands or rounds of ammo. They've never killed any human that I know of.
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I guess I can sort of understand people having multiple guns, basically collectors, but a lot of it seems obsessive. People will have many of the exact same gun. You can only fire two guns at once, and if you want to properly use a gun, you probably should only fire one gun at once.
 
Walt said:
I guess I can sort of understand people having multiple guns, basically collectors, but a lot of it seems obsessive. People will have many of the exact same gun. You can only fire two guns at once, and if you want to properly use a gun, you probably should only fire one gun at once.
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I have guns that have sentimental value because they were used to feed my dad’s family. I have a 58 cal muzzleloader that my uncle gave me before he died. I have several different lever action guns in different calibers because I like to shoot them. I have a gun that I I use mostly for coyotes (bolt action 223) that I can hit your hat with at 300 yards...the logo on your hat if I’ve been practicing. I have a 12 gauge for duck hunting, a Savage combo gun in 410/22 for squirrel and rabbit hunting. I have a cheap muzzleloader that I’ve killed more deer with than I can keep track of. Bottom line is that I like to shoot and do so often. Some people get a day off and mow the yard and have a barbecue. I get a day off and head to “the range.” If I see a gun that suits my fancy, I buy it. So I have multiple guns for multiple reason. ;) I don’t consider my self obsessive ... after all I have multiple rods and reels also. :)
 
walt let me give you a example I have 3 ar 15s
one gun is set up for accuracy at long range it has a stainless bull barrel crowned no accommodations for iron sights and has a 6x24 x50 power scope and a custom trigger
the second on has a standard barrel chrome lined m 4 profile but has a zero power red dot a laser and flashlight co witnessed iron sights forward vertical grip and is set up more for tactical use aka property defense etc


the third is a standard m4 profile but has a 1x8 x 24 scope extended controls custom trigger back up iron sights and is more of a multipurpose rifle .

there are huge amounts of various ways to set up a AR 15 because of the design of the gun and thats whats makes it so popular and why some people have several of them .

you can have several versions of a ford f350 also such as being set up for towing general use off road work or general use all the same truck but differnt uses .
hope that helps.

the 3
 
LV426 said:
There are millions of mentally ill people in the US that do not go and shoot up Asian businesses.

So mental illness isn't the cause of gun violence, and never was.

The cause of gun violence is and always will be guns.

'Sex Addiction' Cited As Spurring Spa Shooting, But Most Killed Were Of Asian Descent
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/17/9782...s-reason-but-most-victims-were-of-asian-desce

If it was about sex addiction, why didn't this "very fine person" target any of the millions of strip clubs in Atlanta, which is practically what the fucking city is known for.

In fact, there are two strip clubs about 100 yards away from the spas he attacked on Piedmont.
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yes lv no mentally ill person ever shot anyone only sane people do iy right . to bad you dont have a clue what your talking about AGAIN
 
LV426 said:
OK, so if mentally ill people DO commit these shootings, how do you then prevent a mentally ill person from getting a gun if they're undiagnosed?
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well first lets talk about the if part lv. its not if mentally ill people do its when, now all people with mental illness are not dangerous but some are . most same people don't go around shooting up schools and night clubs while dressed up as the joker .

Thats like saying how you will keep mentally ill people from stabbing another person or using a car as a weapon or making a bomb or setting a building on fire . it cant be done. there is no answer to all of our human issues not everything can be stopped or fixed

next you cnt prevent it its impossible
 
Bulletbob said:
well first lets talk about the if part lv. its not if mentally ill people do its when, now all people with mental illness are not dangerous but some are
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OK, so if SOME mass shooters are mentally ill, how do you propose keeping them from buying guns if they're undiagnosed?
 
Bulletbob said:
Thats like saying how you will keep mentally ill people from stabbing another person or using a car as a weapon or making a bomb or setting a building on fire .
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Well, they're not doing that, though...they're getting guns and shooting up crowds.

So how do you stop them from doing that?
 
Bulletbob said:
there is no answer to all of our human issues not everything can be stopped or fixed
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Sure seems to me that if everyone had to go to a shrink before they bought a gun, the shrink could determine if that person is mentally ill, and thus, that person could be prevented from buying a gun because their mental illness would show up in a background check.
 
Bulletbob said:
next you cnt prevent it its impossible
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Yes, you very easily can by mandating every gun owner and gun buyer has to first go to a doctor to get medical permission in order to get a gun.

That's how you stop mentally ill people from getting them.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I'm really good with background checks.
Mental health evaluations could be tricky as well as expensive
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How so? How would they be tricky? Anyone who tries to get SSDI for mental illness has to go through several evaluations and go before a judge.

So why shouldn't we do the same for gun ownership?


We can't get healthcare to everybody in this country whether they like guns or not.
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Yes, we can do this. It's not impossible to get everyone health care. It's remarkably easy, it just takes the will.
 
leaningright said:
Every.Single.Firearm.I.Have.Bought from a dealer I have had to submit to a background check. Sometimes several in a day ... if I have made more than one deal for a firearm. If someone with a shady background gets a firearm from a [legitimate] dealer he will have to submit to a background check.
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Right, but have you ever sat down with a shrink? Because a background check isn't going to reveal an undiagnosed mental illness.
 
leaningright said:
Every.Single.Firearm.I.Have.Bought from a dealer I have had to submit to a background check. Sometimes several in a day ... if I have made more than one deal for a firearm. If someone with a shady background gets a firearm from a [legitimate] dealer he will have to submit to a background check.
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You said "I". Do you know you are not a universal? Guns trade hands in the dark every day. https://www.governing.com/archive/gun-show-firearms-bankground-checks-state-laws-map.html Only 6 states have closed the gun show loophole.
 
LV426 said:
How so? How would they be tricky? Anyone who tries to get SSDI for mental illness has to go through several evaluations and go before a judge.

So why shouldn't we do the same for gun ownership?
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SSDI is a really big deal.
In America, owning a firearm is a routine thing.

You have no interest in owning a gun, LV.
If it costs somebody else a fortune to exercise a constitutional right in which you have no personal interest to exercise yourself,
you're not going to care unless you're making an exceptional effort to be fair.

You don't like guns, LV. That doesn't make you a bad person, of course.
Is it really difficult, though, to see how people who do enjoy having guns might be opposed to having to spend a fortune to get them?

Your view of circumventing the 2nd Amendment is akin to making a mole hill out of a mountain.
You want it to be easy.
It's really, really hard.

There are things that I care about a lot.
Universal healthcare.
Abolition of right to work laws.
Not allowing voter suppression.

For some reason, I just don't believe that giving up our globally unique right to bear arms measures up to those things.
Too many Americans will probably get shot, and that's certainly very bad,
but try to understand that whether you care about it or not,
we're talking about giving up a globally unique right.
 
LV426 said:
Sure it can!

You can mandate every single gun owner and prospective gun owner to undergo a mental health examination to determine if they are mentally ill before they buy the gun.

Why can't that be done?
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Because we won't allow you to control us.
 
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