Mental Illness is not to blame for gun violence

Dutch Uncle said:
Why do you want nutjobs voting in elections, running for office and driving 70MPH towards you on America's roads?
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None of that resulted in 35,000+ dead from guns last year.


Why are you so hypocritical about requiring mental health exams for guns, which you don't use, but not for those things you do use like voting and driving?
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Because 35,000 people didn't die from casting a ballot or driving their car last year...and 40 years ago, car deaths used to be double what they are today.

The reason they're not as high anymore is because of federal laws and regulations to make them safer.

But federal laws and regulations can't make GUNS any safer. So you have to look at who is using the gun in an unsafe way, and you've said that mentally ill people use guns in unsafe ways.

So how do you prevent mentally ill people from getting guns if they're undiagnosed?

You haven't been able to answer that question, either because a) you don't think mentally ill people should be prohibited from getting guns, or b) you just haven't given this enough thought.

I think it's "B", but I'm happy to hear your argument for "A".
 
leaningright said:
Mom's fault.
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She needed help herself. That's like asking a drunk to drive their drunk friend home. She was alone and the lone caregiver of a son with severe mental issues. She was lost on what to do and, as the Conneticut report stated

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/s...-schools-and-parents-report-concludes/2014/11
A review of the mental health and educational history of Newtown, Conn., school shooter Adam Lanza paints a picture of repeated missed opportunities—by schools, relatives and mental health professionals—to intervene in a downward spiral of isolation, emotional instability, and mental illness.

Lanza killed his mother in December 2012 before gunning his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School, where he killed 20 children and six adults before committing suicide.

Though there were early indications of Lanza’s preoccupation with violence, demonstrated in “extremely graphic writings,” and though mental health professionals sounded the alarm of various mental health issues, his parents and educators did not adequately intervene, said the report, released Friday by the Connecticut Office of the Child Advocate, which is tasked with reviewing child deaths to draw policy conclusions.

The report stresses that “no direct line of causation” can be drawn from the lapses in adequate treatment and Lanza’s ultimate violent acts. It includes recommendations for universal screening for mental health and developmental impairments for children from birth to age 21 and better care coordination between community, educational, and health care organizations.

Obviously the Democrats don't give a shit about that last part since they choose to focus on gun bans.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
its called 'prior restraint'
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Only if you can't pass either.

So do you not think you'd be able to pass a background check or mental health exam?

This thread isn't going well for you if you're trying to establish that you're a "responsible, law-abiding gun owner" by bragging about how you won't be responsible for your weapons or abide by the law.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Proving, once again, Democrats don't give a shit about 48,000 suicides every year unless it's done with a gun
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Circular discussion, Dutch!

I'm the one who supports Medicare for All

You're the one who doesn't.

So why don't you want people to have mental health care?

Why do you want so many suicides? Is it because you want to cry crocodile tears over them to try and "own" anonymous people on the internet? If so, that's pretty shitty.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Obviously the Democrats don't give a shit about that last part since they choose to focus on gun bans.
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You must have missed it, Oom.

In addition to having its efforts to reduce gun violence blocked, the Democratic Party has also had its efforts toward universal healthcare blocked as well.
No mental health screening for you!

Seditionist Republican Party might be a little long for the GOPs new name, Oom.
What do you think of "Blockhead Party?"
With a little luck, they'll go the way of Blockbuster.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
You must have missed it, Oom.

In addition to having its efforts to reduce gun violence blocked, the Democratic Party has also had its efforts toward universal healthcare blocked as well.
No mental health screening for you!

Seditionist Republican Party might be a little long for the GOPs new name, Oom.
What do you think of "Blockhead Party?"
With a little luck, they'll go the way of Blockbuster.
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It's bizarre that Dutch thinks he has an argument when he's the one who doesn't believe health care is a right.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Incorrect since you're the one pushing gun bans over M4A
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I'm not pushing one over the other, and you can do a search of my posts to see how many threads I've started advocating for M4A by pointing out the expense and limitations to freedom of choice that are imposed by health insurance companies:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/search.php?searchid=4821263


Now, before the last two weeks, how often did you talk about suicide prevention and awareness? Not often at all...in fact, not at all:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/search.php?searchid=4821274


So how come you only started caring about suicide the last two weeks? Because you are trolling liberals here to maintain this bOtHsIdEs posturing you love so much.
 
LV426 said:
I'm not pushing one over the other, and you can do a search of my posts to see how many threads I've started advocating for M4A by pointing out the expense and limitations to freedom of choice that are imposed by health insurance companies:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/search.php?searchid=4821263


Now, before the last two weeks, how often did you talk about suicide prevention and awareness? Not often at all...in fact, not at all:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/search.php?searchid=4821274


So how come you only started caring about suicide the last two weeks? Because you are trolling liberals here to maintain this bOtHsIdEs posturing you love so much.
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Bullshit. Show me where you've posted more about M4A over gun bans.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Bullshit. Show me where you've posted more about M4A over gun bans.
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You quoted the searches in your response dude, that's what the link -that you quoted- is to.

Here's one from July 2019: Health Care vs. Health Insurance

Here's one from October 2019: Start calling health insurance what it is; private taxes

Here's one from January 2020: Single Payer would save $600B a year in administrative costs

Here's one from July 2018, a month after I joined JPP: Koch-funded study says Bernie's Medicare for All plan will save $2T

Here's one from October 2019: Medicare For All a fiscal winner

Now, by all means, show me your posts from before 2 weeks ago where you talked about the tragedy of suicides in this country...I don't believe you can do that because I don't ever recall you bringing suicides up until the last couple weeks.
 
LV426 said:
Dutch Uncle said:
Bullshit. Show me where you've posted more about M4A over gun bans.
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You quoted the searches in your response dude, that's what the link -that you quoted- is to.

Here's one from July 2019: Health Care vs. Health Insurance

Here's one from October 2019: Start calling health insurance what it is; private taxes

Here's one from January 2020: Single Payer would save $600B a year in administrative costs

Here's one from July 2018, a month after I joined JPP: Koch-funded study says Bernie's Medicare for All plan will save $2T

Here's one from October 2019: Medicare For All a fiscal winner

Now, by all means, show me your posts from before 2 weeks ago where you talked about the tragedy of suicides in this country...I don't believe you can do that because I don't ever recall you bringing suicides up until the last couple weeks.
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How many of your posts addressed M4A versus your gun control posts. The ratio?

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