APP - Microsoft To Allow Users To Choose Browsers

so the one who has a clue is the one objecting to a company providing exactly what a large share of computer owners want.....something they can use out of the box and not have to worry about "complicated" things like choosing a browser......the old man across the street asks me to come set up his internet access every time he comes back from Florida because he hasnt the slightest idea how to do it.....so I go over and click the button that automatically sets it up and he's tickled pink about his wonderful neighbors.....he doesn't care if IE isn't his best option....all he cares about is that he pushes one button and he gets his email and he pushes another button and he ends up at his favorite website....if I set him up with Firefox he would lose sleep for weeks worrying about new buttons to push.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
so the one who has a clue is the one objecting to a company providing exactly what a large share of computer owners want.....something they can use out of the box and not have to worry about "complicated" things like choosing a browser......the old man across the street asks me to come set up his internet access every time he comes back from Florida because he hasnt the slightest idea how to do it.....so I go over and click the button that automatically sets it up and he's tickled pink about his wonderful neighbors.....he doesn't care if IE isn't his best option....all he cares about is that he pushes one button and he gets his email and he pushes another button and he ends up at his favorite website....if I set him up with Firefox he would lose sleep for weeks worrying about new buttons to push.....
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The birth of Internet Explorer

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tom prendergast said:
You really don't have a clue, do you? MS will always try to fuck about, which is why IE is so bad at adhering to standards.

http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/06/file-format-timeline.html
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Threadjack!!
Just modified this today. finally got the damn mousewheel events to fire in internet explorer.

Behold javascript and html5 canvas fans, (Yeah, I know none of you care... LOL)

I bring you a fresh update to one of the latest canvas demos over at
canvasdemos.com. The coder of the experiment needed just a couple of additions to make it work in all browsers, so I added them.
HTML5 canvas slippy map for internet explorer with dragging and mousewheel resizing.

http://www.pdxbusiness.com/canvas/slippymap/

Show internet explorer who's boss!

They don't want their customers to enjoy this fine script, but thanks to the programmer who created excanvas.js, they don't have a choice. That is until they block their browser from working with canvas elements. How soon that happens, who knows?
 
RStringfield said:
I do not care how much market share they have, except in considerations of what I need to support. I certainly do not care when picking the right tool. As I pointed out, I have found several cases where Firefox is not the best tool, though it is the one I use most often.

The only legitimate concern regarding monopolies is if they actually attempt to control users. Naturally, companies will try to influence our decisions. They do that by simply offering a product. If they do so in way I find intrusive or burdensome (like Apple does) then I just will not use their product. I have not found Microsoft to be overly controlling at all.

So what, now we need to have equal time for browsers? Maybe we should fund some commercials for the lesser known browsers? How about other products?

They have always had a choice. One can choose to remain ignorant, as well. My guess is most did not see the need to change their browser. They may not have seen a need to research alternatives. That indicates that they are probably satisfied with their browser or at least not so dissatisfied to get them to act.

My guess, is most people who need to know about Opera do. If they do not, it is not because the information is unavailable. The other two maybe not, but why not demand that MS give those choices equal billing? Where does this need to educate the consumer end and why?



That's straight fascism. We do not need the state to pick market winners. They do a horrible job of it and are incredibly inefficient at choosing. The market has always been far superior in that regard. Further, I do not understand why you feel it is critical in this area and not all others?

If people are too dumb to pick their browser or media player, then why not their toothpaste? Do we need to make sure that they know all their options in toothpaste?
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Most of the people who use IE6 are too dumb to know any better. IE8 is a pretty decent browser, but any moderately saavy user will probably abandon it as well.

I just really don't get it. I mean, what are we supposed to do next? Sue microsoft for providing notepad, and thus monopolizing the uber-cheap word processor market? Sue them for providing the calculator app, thus monpolizing the calculator market? Seriously. I just don't give a damn. The first thing any saavy computer user does it to install a decent browser.
 
KingCondanomation said:
I just wish they would come together and standardize on how they interpret html, CSS and Javascript, I have had a fair amount of pain with constantly fixing problems that only apply to 1 or 2 browsers and work for the rest. I don't bother testing my shit in Opera anymore as at least thanks to Google analytics I can tell damn near no one visits my sites with it.
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Under WM's Socialist Republic of America, all shall be standardized.
 
Bittermark said:
Most of the people who use IE6 are too dumb to know any better. IE8 is a pretty decent browser, but any moderately saavy user will probably abandon it as well.

I just really don't get it. I mean, what are we supposed to do next? Sue microsoft for providing notepad, and thus monopolizing the uber-cheap word processor market? Sue them for providing the calculator app, thus monpolizing the calculator market? Seriously. I just don't give a damn. The first thing any saavy computer user does it to install a decent browser.
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So, in other words, you're for the free-market solution!
 
Tom, this is officially the most usless thread you've ever posted. Please stick to bizarre video finds, hot women, and other hobby-related finds.

BTW, I'm using IE8.
 
BTW - Opera actually is much faster than Firefox. Much. I've been testing it out for a few days now and the difference is noticeable.
 
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tinfoil said:
Threadjack!!
Just modified this today. finally got the damn mousewheel events to fire in internet explorer.

Behold javascript and html5 canvas fans, (Yeah, I know none of you care... LOL)

I bring you a fresh update to one of the latest canvas demos over at
canvasdemos.com. The coder of the experiment needed just a couple of additions to make it work in all browsers, so I added them.
HTML5 canvas slippy map for internet explorer with dragging and mousewheel resizing.

http://www.pdxbusiness.com/canvas/slippymap/

Show internet explorer who's boss!

They don't want their customers to enjoy this fine script, but thanks to the programmer who created excanvas.js, they don't have a choice. That is until they block their browser from working with canvas elements. How soon that happens, who knows?
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The curious thing is that the canvas element was developed by Apple and then taken up by Opera. Microsoft will do their level best to try to sink it with Silverlight.
 
Bittermark said:
I am predicting that silverlight will just die. Microsofts attempts to dominate the standards have never worked well.
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This. Nobody wants to deal with updates and stuff with flash or silverlight on the user end. they see the plugin missing logo and just leave your page.

And I'm not paying for flash or silverlight( if I need it to compile apps... don't know?)
The canvas and html5 can do whatever you want with sound, video, images, and other stuff.

The downside is you can't protect your coding with javascript.
And you don't have to update all the time. (that's what's bad for M$)
 
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