Minimum wage rate and labors’ market prices.

CFM said:
Not at all. I have a poor disregard for low skilled workers that demand the government force employers to pay them more than their skills are worth.

Yes they do have to start somewhere. Those will skills move up in position and pay while those refusing to better their skills continue to move very little and whine even more.

If someone offers $5/hour skills and they're being paid $5/hour, that's not being taken advantage of, it's getting paid for what you offer.

The difference is you want to give someone a raise without it having been earned and I expect them to earn it. I've had raises up the ladder and each of them was because I worked to climb that ladder not because I demanded a shorter ladder. I had a solution for increased costs. It was to earn more and do it faster than costs increased.
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why do you hate humanity?
 
Michael_Panetta said:
You're so privileged that you can't even see how wrong you are.
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Getting an education, working hard, and advancing in a career because you offer something employers want isn't privilege. It's benefiting from bettering yourself.

What do you call a minimum wage, low skilled worker that has the same skill set they had 20 years ago?
 
CFM said:
If minimum wage is raised at the level of inflation, you still have poverty. The difference is the income level at which it exists.
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CFM, minimum wage rate has always been a victim rather than the cause of U.S. dollar’s inflation. It has never been among the primary contributors to our dollar’s losses of purchasing power. Respectfully, Supposn
 
AssHatZombie said:
then there's walmart employees directed to go to get food stamps in lieu of a raise, allowing companies to externalize costs onto the backs of taxpayers at large. that's fascism my friends.

minimum wages may not have "pulled anyone oit of poverty", but maybe it allowed them to live another month.

the rising tide was forced to raise all ships by the American labor movement, coming out of the gilded age.
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Why is that "fascism?" That is an economic choice in a Socialist society. If you can make more on welfare, why work? If your taxes go up and you lose benefits because your wage increased, you forego a pay raise to maintain them. Some people work to certain levels of income deliberately like that to avoid losing social security benefits, or Earned Income Credits. It used to be that some on welfare would have children just to increase the payments they were getting while neglecting the kids.

Other people work "under the table" to avoid taxes or reported income.

None of that is solely an American issue. That happens everywhere.

In Italy they cracked down on "tax cheats" like the plumber driving a Ferrari who was making six figures easily...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/plumb...l-to-reformers-plan-to-rescue-italian-economy

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-01-12/italy-poor-drive-ferraris

https://www.thelocal.it/20160301/italy-announces-record-haul-from-crackdown-on-tax-fraud

Cheating on your taxes is a European pass time. Everybody does it there because taxes are high enough that it is worth cheating to the maximum extent possible.

Minimum wage hikes don't fix the problem of low wage earners. More skills, better education, and more training do. But even then, there's always going to be the bottom end of the bell curve that end up unable to get more than low paying, low skill or unskilled jobs simply because they can't do more.
 
CFM said:
Not at all. I have a poor disregard for low skilled workers that demand the government force employers to pay them more than their skills are worth.

Yes they do have to start somewhere. Those will skills move up in position and pay while those refusing to better their skills continue to move very little and whine even more.

If someone offers $5/hour skills and they're being paid $5/hour, that's not being taken advantage of, it's getting paid for what you offer.

The difference is you want to give someone a raise without it having been earned and I expect them to earn it. I've had raises up the ladder and each of them was because I worked to climb that ladder not because I demanded a shorter ladder. I had a solution for increased costs. It was to earn more and do it faster than costs increased.
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CFM, our government doesn’t require that an enterprise hire any persons. Our government do not determine wage differentials between employees. But employers are prohibited from paying less than the legally applicable minimum wage rate.

Employers are generally not altruistic. They hire, pay wages, and retain employees because they expect to derive benefits from doing so, or fear loses if they don’t do so. If employers believe their employees don’t earn their wages, why are those employees being retained?
Respectfully, Supposn
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Why is that "fascism?" That is an economic choice in a Socialist society. If you can make more on welfare, why work? If your taxes go up and you lose benefits because your wage increased, you forego a pay raise to maintain them. Some people work to certain levels of income deliberately like that to avoid losing social security benefits, or Earned Income Credits. It used to be that some on welfare would have children just to increase the payments they were getting while neglecting the kids.

Other people work "under the table" to avoid taxes or reported income.

None of that is solely an American issue. That happens everywhere.

In Italy they cracked down on "tax cheats" like the plumber driving a Ferrari who was making six figures easily...

https://www.foxnews.com/world/plumb...l-to-reformers-plan-to-rescue-italian-economy

https://www.pri.org/stories/2012-01-12/italy-poor-drive-ferraris

https://www.thelocal.it/20160301/italy-announces-record-haul-from-crackdown-on-tax-fraud

Cheating on your taxes is a European pass time. Everybody does it there because taxes are high enough that it is worth cheating to the maximum extent possible.

Minimum wage hikes don't fix the problem of low wage earners. More skills, better education, and more training do. But even then, there's always going to be the bottom end of the bell curve that end up unable to get more than low paying, low skill or unskilled jobs simply because they can't do more.
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fascism is the united power of corporation s and government.

why work when you can be on multiple corporate boards?

fiat currency is pure totalitarianism.
o
 
CFM said:
Getting an education, working hard, and advancing in a career because you offer something employers want isn't privilege. It's benefiting from bettering yourself.

What do you call a minimum wage, low skilled worker that has the same skill set they had 20 years ago?
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Not everyone is able to stop their life for a college education, nor can they afford it. Working hard doesn't work for everyone.
 
Michael_Panetta said:
Not everyone is able to stop their life for a college education, nor can they afford it. Working hard doesn't work for everyone.
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At the age most go to college, they haven't really started theirs lives.

Working hard works for everyone. To say otherwise is nothing more than an excuse a failure would use.
 
Supposn said:
CFM, our government doesn’t require that an enterprise hire any persons. Our government do not determine wage differentials between employees. But employers are prohibited from paying less than the legally applicable minimum wage rate.

Employers are generally not altruistic. They hire, pay wages, and retain employees because they expect to derive benefits from doing so, or fear loses if they don’t do so. If employers believe their employees don’t earn their wages, why are those employees being retained?
Respectfully, Supposn
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If employers are required by the government to pay a minimum, the government is determining wage differentials especially if the employer would pay the minimum wage worker less.

It's not an employers job to be altruistic. It's their job to pay an employee what they think, not the government thinks, that employee is worth.

There is a difference between retaining employees because they provide work and being forced to pay that employee an arbitrary minimum.
 
Supposn said:
CFM, minimum wage rate has always been a victim rather than the cause of U.S. dollar’s inflation. It has never been among the primary contributors to our dollar’s losses of purchasing power. Respectfully, Supposn
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You couldn't be more wrong but you'll keep pretending you know something. If you knew 1/4 of what you thought you knew, you wouldn't be crying for the government to increase the minimum wage you receive.
 
CFM said:
At the age most go to college, they haven't really started theirs lives.

Working hard works for everyone. To say otherwise is nothing more than an excuse a failure would use.
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how about a chinese dissident inside a ccp labor/organ harvesting camp? do they just need a tony robbins pep talk?
 
Supposn said:
Minimum wage rate and labors’ market prices.

Products “Market prices” are affecting by various factors. Enforcement of government laws affecting regarding trade or contracts regarding a product, is often such a price affecting factor. Those using the term ‘market rates” applicable to a legally enforced minimum wage rate within a marketplace, are referring to a theoretical, indefinite, (i.e. not actually existing) price that excludes governments’ minimum wage laws as not existing.

Regardless of some persons preferences, governments’ minimum wage laws are existing factors applicable within marketplaces. Respectfully, Supposn
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You have no idea how prices are set, do you?
 
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