Moody's downgrades US credit rating

Trump's deficit spending in his first term was just under 8 Trillion
trump came in with a low deficit, and left with a much higher deficit. That is called increasing the deficit. Do you see how that works?

Biden's was 8.4 Trillion, that isn't reducing squat.
No, apparently you do not see how that works. As long as he reduced the deficit, he could have more average deficit, and still say he reduced the deficit. It takes longer to reduce than to increase the deficit, so the reducers will have a higher average.
 
trump came in with a low deficit, and left with a much higher deficit. That is called increasing the deficit. Do you see how that works?


No, apparently you do not see how that works. As long as he reduced the deficit, he could have more average deficit, and still say he reduced the deficit. It takes longer to reduce than to increase the deficit, so the reducers will have a higher average.
Derp...

Hence when it went from 7.89 to 8.4 during Biden it was an increase. You didn't "lower the deficit"... utter blather.

I know, you barbie girls think "math is hard"...
 
Deficits are a yearly number, so neither number is the deficit.
Adding the years together you get a "total deficit spending" for the term.

Again I tell you, I realize you barbie girls think that "math is hard"... but do better.

8.4 > 7.89... Biden had higher deficit spending, showing that you either cannot do math or you simply lie when it is convenient and ignore facts. Democrats do not "lower deficits"... Nor do republicans... each President seems to think that it is a contest and they have to "win" by making the number higher.
 
Derp...

Hence when it went from 7.89 to 8.4 during Biden it was an increase. You didn't "lower the deficit"... utter blather.

I know, you barbie girls think "math is hard"...
Which, in MAGAland, means it's okay for Trump to increase both inflation and the deficit too.
 
Well, thanks to profligate spending, particularly by the last three presidents, Moody's is downgrading the US credit rating from AAA to Aa1.



The Republicans in Congress want to get rid of many Biden and Obama tax credits and breaks especially for things like climate change and green initiatives, along with federal support for expanded Medicare (Obama via Obamacare). On that last one, the chickens have come home to roost, so-to-speak.

The Democrats oppose all of that and want instead to raise taxes, particularly on "The Rich."
We've got Crazy Trump and the Scum-lican to thank for this.
 
Yet, if you are spending more, then you are spending more.
And if you are borrowing more, then you are borrowing more. trump plan is to more than double the national debt, while interest rates are tripled... I wonder how much more it will cost to service the national debt... Wait, we can do the math on this... It will cost 6 times more to service the national debt. Which starts looking like the entire budget.
 
And if you are borrowing more, then you are borrowing more. trump plan is to more than double the national debt, while interest rates are tripled... I wonder how much more it will cost to service the national debt... Wait, we can do the math on this... It will cost 6 times more to service the national debt. Which starts looking like the entire budget.
Again, I am not saying that his current plan is to spend less than Biden. In fact I said that each successive President seems to make a point of beating the past guy, like it's a score in a game of tennis.

You made a claim that they always make it go down... But then I showed you that didn't happen and what do you do? Bad math.

I get that math is hard for you. But 8.4 is bigger than 7.89. I'm sure Trump will "beat" Biden's number, because that's what Presidents do.

Let's start with GWB, he averaged 403 Billion a year in deficit spending, increasing in 2009 as he got them to pass emergency cash after the crash.

Obama averaged 1.41 Trillion per year and after 8 years spent 8.93 Trillion in deficit spending. Comparing it to Bush he nearly doubled Bush's deficit spending Bush's was 4.9 Trillion...

Now, Trump beat Obama, and Biden beat Trump, now Trump looks to be trying to beat Biden... but nobody is lowering the fricking debt. Ever.
 
Again, I am not saying that his current plan is to spend less than Biden.
You are bouncing around. Every president has spent more than the previous president since the 1950's. We have an increasing population, a hopefully increasing economy, with more demand for government services. Spending is going to increase.

What I said was every Democrat since the 1970's has decreased the deficit, while every Republican has increased the deficit. Honestly, it was not that difficult for Biden to decrease the deficit, because he entered with a pandemic driving up the deficit. That said, you cannot deny the basic truth of what I said.
 
You are bouncing around. Every president has spent more than the previous president since the 1950's. We have an increasing population, a hopefully increasing economy, with more demand for government services. Spending is going to increase.

What I said was every Democrat since the 1970's has decreased the deficit, while every Republican has increased the deficit. Honestly, it was not that difficult for Biden to decrease the deficit, because he entered with a pandemic driving up the deficit. That said, you cannot deny the basic truth of what I said.
But, the big spending increases have all--ALL--come since the late 1930's with the introduction of income tax and the social-welfare state that followed that. Today, almost two out of three federal tax dollars is going to support that social-welfare state and that is where most of the increases in spending are coming from.
 
Is Trump's "Big, Beautiful Bill" spending more or is it spending less?
As I said before, you moron, more. Ask again and the answer will be the same again.

I also said that it is the reason that Musk is getting off this ride, you'd be peeved too if you identified waste and fraud and the first spending bill they pass just puts it all right back in.
 
You are bouncing around. Every president has spent more than the previous president since the 1950's. We have an increasing population, a hopefully increasing economy, with more demand for government services. Spending is going to increase.

What I said was every Democrat since the 1970's has decreased the deficit, while every Republican has increased the deficit. Honestly, it was not that difficult for Biden to decrease the deficit, because he entered with a pandemic driving up the deficit. That said, you cannot deny the basic truth of what I said.
You are moronic. Your braindead hero increased deficit spending, he had MORE deficit spending in 4 years than his predecessor had in 4 years. Obama had far more deficit spending than Bush, Trump was on a path to get there after Obama, but lost the election so Biden finished that up by increasing deficit spending higher than Trump's...

Seriously, we get that you suck at math, but no matter how many times you pretend that deficit spending went down when your braindead hero took office, he spent MORE than Trump... *hint* 8.4 is greater than 7.89... Every. Single. Time.

The actual numbers negate your argument, Biden spent us into more debt than Trump did before him. Obama spent us into far far far more debt than Bush did... Your claim is simply false, based on wishes rather than information.
 
You are moronic.
The deficit in 2001 was a surplus of $130 billion. Bush turned that into a deficit of $1.41 trillion by 2009, which is called increasing the deficit. Bush took that $1.41 trillion deficit and by 2016 decreased it to $580 billion. That is called decreasing the deficit. Then trump increased it to $3.13 trillion. Again, that is called increasing the deficit, because the deficit increased. Finally Biden decreased that to $1.86 trillion, which is called decreasing.

Are any of these numbers wrong?

I will even give you a nice graph to watch it:

Now can you move on to claiming that the Republican failure is not their faults? At least you have some argument there.
 
As I said before, you moron, more. Ask again and the answer will be the same again.

I also said that it is the reason that Musk is getting off this ride, you'd be peeved too if you identified waste and fraud and the first spending bill they pass just puts it all right back in.
So Trump is a Spender just like the Democrats. Thanks for clearing that up. The fact he's proving to be a National Socialist is very interesting.

Musk took a chainsaw to government programs helping Americans to free up enough cash for his Mars rocket program. He didn't help Americans, he hurt them.
 
Derp...

Hence when it went from 7.89 to 8.4 during Biden it was an increase. You didn't "lower the deficit"... utter blather.

I know, you barbie girls think "math is hard"...
Biden passed an infrastructure bill to fix the decaying American infrastructure . Now, Repubs are saying the airports need upgrading.
Here are the debts by president. https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
FDR had to fight the great depression created by Repubs. Obama had to fight the potential second great depression caused by Bush's term. The Republicans spend like crazy and cut taxes. They call themselves fiscal conservatives while governing the opposite.
 
Biden passed an infrastructure bill to fix the decaying American infrastructure . Now, Repubs are saying the airports need upgrading.
Here are the debts by president. https://www.investopedia.com/us-debt-by-president-dollar-and-percentage-7371225
FDR had to fight the great depression created by Repubs. Obama had to fight the potential second great depression caused by Bush's term. The Republicans spend like crazy and cut taxes. They call themselves fiscal conservatives while governing the opposite.
Again, you try to pretend that both do not spend like drunken politicians. Each successive Presidency outdoes the previous in deficit spending. "It was because he was <insert excuse here>" doesn't cut it.

I have made no argument, at all, that said that republicans were in any way different in this matter, I have simply pointed out that the numbers do not support the claim that the "Democrats" lower the deficits, in fact the numbers show us all that every single modern president deficit spends more than the previous President regardless of the party.
 
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