Morality is all in your mind.

iu



Morality is indeed a social construct.

Here's a breakdown:

  1. Variability: What is considered "moral" by one might be seen as "immoral" in another. Attitudes vary widely.
  2. Historical Evolution: Standards change over time. Practices that were once acceptable are now widely condemned, and vice versa. This shows that "morality" exists only in the human mind.
  3. Socialization: Individuals learn through socialization processes like education, religion, media, and family teachings. The beliefs one holds are largely influenced by the society they grow up in.
  4. Norms and Laws: Many "morals" are codified into laws or norms that govern behavior within a society. These are constructed by humans.
  5. Relativism: This philosophical perspective reveals that "moral" judgments are true or false relative to some particular standpoint (such as cultural, historical, or personal contexts).


@Grok
 
Diogenes said:
iu



Morality is indeed a social construct.

Here's a breakdown:

  1. Variability: What is considered "moral" by one might be seen as "immoral" in another. Attitudes vary widely.
  2. Historical Evolution: Standards change over time. Practices that were once acceptable are now widely condemned, and vice versa. This shows that "morality" exists only in the human mind.
  3. Socialization: Individuals learn through socialization processes like education, religion, media, and family teachings. The beliefs one holds are largely influenced by the society they grow up in.
  4. Norms and Laws: Many "morals" are codified into laws or norms that govern behavior within a society. These are constructed by humans.
  5. Relativism: This philosophical perspective reveals that "moral" judgments are true or false relative to some particular standpoint (such as cultural, historical, or personal contexts).


@Grok
Click to expand...
If all this is true then there is no legitimate authority to tell people what they can and cannot do.
 
Daylight63 said:
Can you think of any actual reasons why murder might be wrong without someone having to tell you it is?
Click to expand...
Sure but what I want you to tell me is, if morals are just constructs or in our minds how do you have any legitimate basis to tell me I can't murder someone if my mind tells me tells me it's moral.
 
Yakuda said:
Sure but what I want you to tell me is, if morals are just constructs or in our minds how do you have any legitimate basis to tell me I can't murder someone if my mind tells me tells me it's moral.
Click to expand...

Your mind would probably NOT, under normal operating circumstances, tell you that murder is moral. We are evolved to be a SOCIAL animal whose survival REQUIRES that we have a safe, stable society. This is why murder within social groups of animals isn't always that common. It is an evolutionary adaptation for social animals.

I can tell you why murder is "immoral" even without relying on God to tell me it is immoral. Murder is immoral because it is the killing of an innocent person. That makes society less safe and stable if murder is common. That would eliminate the survival advantage that a safe and stable society provide us. Hence murder is wrong.

BUT if I see a male polar bear kill the offspring of another male polar bear, by the same token, I do NOT say that is "immoral". The polar bear is not a social animal. As such it doesn't have the same instincts or thought patterns we have in regards to "the other".
 
Daylight63 said:
Your mind would probably NOT, under normal operating circumstances, tell you that murder is moral. We are evolved to be a SOCIAL animal whose survival REQUIRES that we have a safe, stable society. This is why murder within social groups of animals isn't always that common. It is an evolutionary adaptation for social animals.

I can tell you why murder is "immoral" even without relying on God to tell me it is immoral. Murder is immoral because it is the killing of an innocent person. That makes society less safe and stable if murder is common. That would eliminate the survival advantage that a safe and stable society provide us. Hence murder is wrong.

BUT if I see a male polar bear kill the offspring of another male polar bear, by the same token, I do NOT say that is "immoral". The polar bear is not a social animal. As such it doesn't have the same instincts or thought patterns we have in regards to "the other".
Click to expand...
It's not relevant what my mind might or might not tell me what's moral under normal operating circumstances. The claim is morals are constructs and in our minds. If that's true then there is no legitimate basis to tell me I can't kill someone regardless of the operating conditions of my mind. To tell me I can't kill someone if my mind tells me it's moral to do so is no different than telling people that can't kill someone because God said it's bad.
 
Yakuda said:
It's not relevant what my mind might or might not tell me what's moral under normal operating circumstances. The claim is morals are constructs and in our minds. If that's true then there is no legitimate basis to tell me I can't kill someone regardless of the operating conditions of my mind. To tell me I can't kill someone if my mind tells me it's moral to do so is no different than telling people that can't kill someone because God said it's bad.
Click to expand...

Humans probably have an instinct AGAINST murder that has evolved in us due to our social nature.

No one had to tell you murder was wrong. You were born with the instinct. Yes you can overcome the instinct and murder someone if you wish. But it isn't a matter of someone telling you it is wrong.

Personally I find a morality that an invisible being that no one can see has to COMMAND to be less satisfying intellectually.

Personally I don't think I'd EVER have to "consider" whether murder is right or wrong. I would kind of already know it was wrong. But if you have to check the manual from time to time that's fine too I guess.
 
Daylight63 said:
Humans probably have an instinct AGAINST murder that has evolved in us due to our social nature.

No one had to tell you murder was wrong. You were born with the instinct. Yes you can overcome the instinct and murder someone if you wish. But it isn't a matter of someone telling you it is wrong.

Personally I find a morality that an invisible being that no one can see has to COMMAND to be less satisfying intellectually.

Personally I don't think I'd EVER have to "consider" whether murder is right or wrong. I would kind of already know it was wrong. But if you have to check the manual from time to time that's fine too I guess.
Click to expand...
Again it's not relevant if morals are constructs or in someone mind. You cant say morals are in peoples minds then say we don't like the models you have in your mind.
 
Diogenes said:
iu



Morality is indeed a social construct.

Here's a breakdown:

  1. Variability: What is considered "moral" by one might be seen as "immoral" in another. Attitudes vary widely.
  2. Historical Evolution: Standards change over time. Practices that were once acceptable are now widely condemned, and vice versa. This shows that "morality" exists only in the human mind.
  3. Socialization: Individuals learn through socialization processes like education, religion, media, and family teachings. The beliefs one holds are largely influenced by the society they grow up in.
  4. Norms and Laws: Many "morals" are codified into laws or norms that govern behavior within a society. These are constructed by humans.
  5. Relativism: This philosophical perspective reveals that "moral" judgments are true or false relative to some particular standpoint (such as cultural, historical, or personal contexts).


@Grok
Click to expand...
“ Morality is indeed a social construct.”

You don’t believe that things like slavery are objectively immoral? In other words, removing all freedom and humanity from a person is only subjectively immoral? Same with raping a 3 year old? It’s possible that it could be moral?
 
ZenMode said:
You don’t believe that things like slavery are objectively immoral? In other words, removing all freedom and humanity from a person is only subjectively immoral? Same with raping a 3 year old?
Click to expand...

I believe what I stated.
 
ZenMode said:
“ Morality is indeed a social construct.”

You don’t believe that things like slavery are objectively immoral? In other words, removing all freedom and humanity from a person is only subjectively immoral? Same with raping a 3 year old? It’s possible that it could be moral?
Click to expand...
Can morality exist without people? Or are you still pretending to not believe in God?
 
Hume said:
Can morality exist without people? Or are you still pretending to not believe in God?
Click to expand...
The word and definition of morality were created by one species of animal on Earth. That doesn’t mean the concept of morality couldn’t exist without humans. We are limited by what we know to exist.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top