Morality is all in your mind.

[Hume]

What physical conditions are you referring to.

Everything you said.

 

[ZenMode]

Never heard a scientist say that.

Science tells us how expansive is the universe and how physically irrelevant we are in it.

 

[Hume]

how physically irrelevant we are in it.

Never heard a scientist say that.

 

[ZenMode]

Everything you said.

The physical conditions, i.e abuse, are all experienced in consciousness.

 

[Hume]

The physical conditions, i.e abuse, are all experienced in consciousness.

No, we do not experience physicality.

 

[ZenMode]

Never heard a scientist say that.

Doesn’t change reality.

 

[ZenMode]

No, we do not experience physicality.

We do in many cases. If I punch you in the face, you experience it in multiple forms in your consciousness.

 

[Hume]

Doesn’t change reality.

Reality as you see it. Has nothing to do with science.

 

[Hume]

We do in many cases. If I punch you in the face, you experience it in multiple forms in your consciousness.

I have pain, true.

 

[ZenMode]

Reality as you see it. Has nothing to do with science.

I can say, based on what we know about the length of time that the universe has existed, that a human life is basically nothing. It’s a half a blink of an eye.

I can say, based on what we know about the expansiveness of the universe, that any single human life is functionally nothing.

 

[Hume]

I can say, based on what we know about the length of time that the universe has existed, that a human life is basically nothing. It’s a half a blink of an eye.

I can say, based on what we know about the expansiveness of the universe, that any single human life is functionally nothing.

You sound like a nihilist. A Christian nihilist, if that is an oxymoron.

 

[ZenMode]

I have pain, true.

You experience pain and that pain is experienced in the consciousness of your mind.

 

[Hume]

You experience pain and that pain is experienced in the consciousness of your mind.

I experience pain, yes.

 

[Cypress]

“ Morality is indeed a social construct.”

You don’t believe that things like slavery are objectively immoral? In other words, removing all freedom and humanity from a person is only subjectively immoral? Same with raping a 3 year old? It’s possible that it could be moral?

An atheist cannot tell societies that practice slavery, female genital mutilation, sati, ritual human sacrifice, cannibalism they are objectively wrong and immoral. From their point of view, human sacrifice, burning widows, female genital mutilation, cannibalism serve important cultural norms.

One thing I agree with Hume on is that the genuine atheist needs to live out their atheism to it's logical conclusion, without surreptitiously borrowing religious doctrines of absolute right and wrong and objective morality.

 

[Daylight63]

One thing I agree with Hume on is that the genuine atheist needs to live out their atheism to it's logical conclusion, without surreptitiously borrowing religious doctrines of absolute right and wrong and objective morality.

Hmm. Interesting. You are wrong, of course. But it's nice you have a suggestion for how OTHER PEOPLE should live their lives.

Maybe if you listened to what atheists actually SAID you'd have a different view of atheism. I am so used to hearing the religious blast atheists and mischaracterize every single point about them but I am surprised that an avowed agnostic would do so.

 

[Cypress]

Hmm. Interesting. You are wrong, of course. But it's nice you have a suggestion for how OTHER PEOPLE should live their lives.

Maybe if you listened to what atheists actually SAID you'd have a different view of atheism. I am so used to hearing the religious blast atheists and mischaracterize every single point about them but I am surprised that an avowed agnostic would do so.

It might be your opinion that female genital mutilation and cannibalism is wrong, and that's perfectly fine. But you cannot take your atheism and lecture the cultures in Africa and Papua New Guinea that they are objectively wrong and objectively immoral.

 

[Cypress]

You sound like a nihilist. A Christian nihilist, if that is an oxymoron.

Not really an oxymoron, objective morality, concepts of absolute right and wrong are so psychologically appealing that even strict physical materialists often want to borrow it.

 

[Daylight63]

It might be your opinion that female genital mutilation and cannibalism is wrong, and that's perfectly fine. But you cannot take your atheism and lecture the cultures in Africa and Papua New Guinea that they are objectively wrong and objectively immoral.

Am I supposed to be doing that?

 

[ZenMode]

An atheist cannot tell societies that practice slavery, female genital mutilation, sati, ritual human sacrifice, cannibalism they are objectively wrong and immoral. From their point of view, human sacrifice, burning widows, female genital mutilation, cannibalism serve important cultural norms.

One thing I agree with Hume on is that the genuine atheist needs to live out their atheism to it's logical conclusion, without surreptitiously borrowing religious doctrines of absolute right and wrong and objective morality.

I think we can say they are objectively wrong and it's based on the experience of the person who is enslaved, having their genitals mutilated, etc. Should we believe that those acts are contributing to the well-being of the person having it done to them or is it quite clearly impacting them negatively?

 

[Cypress]

Am I supposed to be doing that?

No, thanks for confirming objective morality does not exist in a materialist atheist framework.

I am constantly telling self identified hypocritical Christians to live out their Christianity to the max.

I don't think it's unfair of me to ask atheists to live out their strict physical materialism to it's logical conclusion, namely that there is no absolute right and wrong, and there is no ultimate meaning or purpose.