more ignorance of the law as an excuse

[Billy the Great Khan]

Read down, dumbfuck jones:



sheesh..I made it bigger for ya....can't y'all get anything right????

Well, why isn't that the part you posted that I quoted? Or are you too retarded to remember your own posts?

You fucking tickle me with your ignorance:

http://www.coloradoceasefire.org/munilaws.htm



1. Concealed Weapons Ordinances

A. Concealed Carry Bans

Aurora, Boulder, Broomfield, Colorado Springs, Denver, Englewood,

Lakewood, Littleton, Longmont, Northglenn, Pueblo, Thornton, Westminster,

Wheat Ridge

 

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i understand. I just don't agree that I have to curb my rights to not offend other peoples sensitivities. just not my style, especially when I don't let my sensitivities get in the way of others and their rights.

ok. would you show up to little kids birthday party with all your guns?

 

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The largest problem though, is that people see an average exercise of rights as some sort of threat. They've been conditioned to do so. The only way to combat said ignorance and fear is, in my opinion, cultural saturation. The more you see people carrying guns doing every day things, not harming or threatening anyone, the more likely you are to ignore it. That's the goal. To be able to carry wherever I go in peace.

i can see your point. but can you see other citizen's point?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Yet what I quoted categorically states Thornton municipal law says it's illegal. From what I've been reading his CCW was issued outside Thornton and wasn't recognized plus he brought the gun into an establishment serving alcohol, which is also illegal. And...he had a CCW permit, not open carry.

Without actually seeing the municipal ordinance, I'm not wasting the time on this.

Aside from the fact that this guy's an asshole who tried to make a statement (lol...he wore a t-shirt with the words "liberal" on it to the theatre) and got caught. Most likely the police will drop the charges rather than deal with the asshole.

most likely the DA will drop the charge for fear of having their pre-empted ordnance officially overturned.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

ok. would you show up to little kids birthday party with all your guns?

no, just one.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

i can see your point. but can you see other citizen's point?

I can see it, but that doesn't make it equally valid.

 

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I can see it, but that doesn't make it equally valid.

do you believe that if a town experiences a mass murder in a movie theater, that you should open carry in said town (shortly after) in order to exercise your second amendment rights?

if yes....why? and explain how such timing would further the people's understanding of the second amendment.

 

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no, just one.

fair enough.

i don't know you personally....but i'm willing to bet you would carry that gun concealed.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

fair enough.

i don't know you personally....but i'm willing to bet you would carry that gun concealed.

having been in the news a fair number of times in the last few years while openly carrying a gun, it wouldn't surprise or offend any of my friends whose kids birthday party I would go to.

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

do you believe that if a town experiences a mass murder in a movie theater, that you should open carry in said town (shortly after) in order to exercise your second amendment rights?

if yes....why? and explain how such timing would further the people's understanding of the second amendment.

Should I? Well, yes I should. It most likely wouldn't go over well in most peoples minds, but my objective would be to show everyone that A) I am a law abiding citizen like everyone else, B) that I have nothing to hide and C) that I am at least somewhat prepared should the unlikely event arise that I would need a firearm. But that's MY estimation of the situation. I'm fully aware that I shouldn't do it if I do not want the high likelyhood of police troubles. As for how it would further peoples understanding, I can't say. I don't know how everyone, or anyone, would react. I can only hope that they'd see things as I do. It's unlikely, but it's the only real way to affect change in perception.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

do you believe that if a town experiences a mass murder in a movie theater, that you should open carry in said town (shortly after) in order to exercise your second amendment rights?

if yes....why? and explain how such timing would further the people's understanding of the second amendment.

I shouldn't be denied my right to carry a gun just because people are scared of it. They did the same to newly freed blacks, how wrong was that?

 

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having been in the news a fair number of times in the last few years while openly carrying a gun, it wouldn't surprise or offend any of my friends whose kids birthday party I would go to.

ok. like i said i don't know you, but i can see your explanation as making sense.

you know i live in california on the central coast.....so....when i say if you openly carried here, people would raise eyebrows. i doubt anyone would call the police, but you would not be invited back to some social gatherings. others....you would be a hero.

 

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I shouldn't be denied my right to carry a gun just because people are scared of it. They did the same to newly freed blacks, how wrong was that?

totally different.

are you actually telling me that you would:

walk in to the very same movie theater, the next day, with your guns openly carried?

 

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Should I? Well, yes I should. It most likely wouldn't go over well in most peoples minds, but my objective would be to show everyone that A) I am a law abiding citizen like everyone else, B) that I have nothing to hide and C) that I am at least somewhat prepared should the unlikely event arise that I would need a firearm. But that's MY estimation of the situation. I'm fully aware that I shouldn't do it if I do not want the high likelyhood of police troubles. As for how it would further peoples understanding, I can't say. I don't know how everyone, or anyone, would react. I can only hope that they'd see things as I do. It's unlikely, but it's the only real way to affect change in perception.

A) yes you are. you are also a moderator, thus, you are above ordinary citizens.

B) irrelevant.

C) billy, you and STY and are not like most people. STY accepts that, and so should you. tell me....what positive gain do you think you would get from openly carrying a gun into the very same theater?

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

A) yes you are. you are also a moderator, thus, you are above ordinary citizens.

B) irrelevant.

C) billy, you and STY and are not like most people. STY accepts that, and so should you. tell me....what positive gain do you think you would get from openly carrying a gun into the very same theater?

Call it youthful idealism, but I would hope to show people that they have nothing to be afraid of from gun owners. Unrealistic, yes, but I don't know of any other way to change perceptions. It's the reason I conduct myself the way I do in public.

 

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Call it youthful idealism, but I would hope to show people that they have nothing to be afraid of from gun owners. Unrealistic, yes, but I don't know of any other way to change perceptions. It's the reason I conduct myself the way I do in public.

fair enough. but do you think openly carrying a gun into a movie theater now...would convince others to believe as you do?

 

[Billy the Great Khan]

fair enough. but do you think openly carrying a gun into a movie theater now...would convince others to believe as you do?

Unlikely, but sure.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

totally different.

are you actually telling me that you would:

walk in to the very same movie theater, the next day, with your guns openly carried?

after what just happened, IF I decided to go back to that theater, i'd consider myself stupid if I didn't carry.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

A) yes you are. you are also a moderator, thus, you are above ordinary citizens.

B) irrelevant.

C) billy, you and STY and are not like most people. STY accepts that, and so should you. tell me....what positive gain do you think you would get from openly carrying a gun into the very same theater?

for rational people, I would hope that they see it as a way to help minimize any other idiot that might try the same thing that the joker idiot did and later on, follow my example. For those that would flip out, not really much you can do to help those unless you're a therapist. like what zappa needs.

 

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so you admit you're just making shit up because I burnt you? that is not what I said and you know it. now,

I'm making shit up? Really?

should we then suspend all protests everywhere because one group starts a riot? and arrest everyone who decides to protest something anyway?

Those are your words...you used the word "protest" TWICE...seems pretty clear you think this guy was protesting...

what i'm asking you is if there's a riot that breaks out at the next occupy wall street protest, do we shut them all down for the next year because people might still be terrified of protests?

It depends on what cause the "riot".

yes, they are, and in case you hadn't seen how big denver is, consider it the same as a suburb in south houston as opposed to a suburb in north houston.

Bullshit...Houston is the 4th LARGEST MARKET in the USA...Denver isn't even in the top 20 markets...driving from Aurora to Thornton covers a distance of 18 miles...it's close to 75 all the way across Houston.

and I have no idea what the black kid in a hoodie is thinking.....or the mexican guy on the street corner, or the crack whore looking prostitute approaching my car. are you scared of cops because they are 'gunslingers'?

So you agree I've got a right to claim self defense when I see someone with a gun strapped to his hip...

Cops are PAID to protect me and mine...I'm pretty sure the guy in the theater last weekend wasn't.

maybe, instead of persecuting people exercising a fundamental right, you should schedule an appointment with a therapist to help you with your fear issues of seeing guns in the open. would you also be as terrified of fires if you saw someone carrying a fire extinguisher?

Right...me expressing my opinion that this guy is just some Wyatt Earp wannabe is "persecuting" him...oh how thin skinned you gun nuts truly are underneath all that tough talk.

Persecuting him...ROTFLMAO!!