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evince said:
in what category is there opportunity for the right to grow their voting base?
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gerrymandering, voter suppression, Jim Crow laws, disenfranchising voters with long lines in liberal areas and no lines in conservative areas, voting machines that switch votes to republicans, hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign sources to pay for tv propaganda....

The right doesn't want every one to vote, their possibility of winning elections goes down as the voter population goes up. They know they can't win on policy. Don't believe me right wingers? Here's the horses mouth...

 
From the memory hole...

When it comes to attacking Iraq, lots of people — from overseas editorial writers and politicians to U.S. senators who wear dovish feathers — have demanded that President Bush produce a direct connection between Saddam Hussein and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Up until now, the administration has been leaning on the weapons of mass destruction excuse for going after Saddam. But there is, or might be, a 9/11 connection out there for anybody to see...


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2002/06/07/saddam-hussein-and-sept-11/#ixzz2YqwmHPwS
 
cawacko said:
Are you implying that because he is mixed race he should not be considered black?
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Unfortunately, we still seem to be in a world that only sees the "black" portion of a mixed-race person. Pres. Obama is considered to be a black man; but isn't it odd? He's also white; he's also Indonesian.

My aunt says that she considers her son to be a black man, even though he's half/half, because when he walks down the street, strangers see him as a black man and treat him according to that perception.
 
In all reality it is not about the base its about the ideas.

the ideas the right are now clinging to will destroy them.



The ideas are completely failed and it is visable by looking at our history.


Deregulation for deregulation sake

cutting for cuttings sake.

It is all a ruse to give the right talking points to try and win elections while helping grover hand over this country for his bathtub fantasy.


Its the wealthy using their influence to dupe the minions.


That base will go back to not voting because they are a crazy minority who don't understand the world.


who will you get to replace this base?

people who think post creepy assed cracker party has gone sane
 
Desh, I know you have this obsession of sorts with Grover Norquist and his statement but the real world reality is the government grows just as much, if not more, under Republican administrations as it does under Democratic Administrations. You fall for the rhetoric and not the actions.
 
cawacko said:
Desh, I know you have this obsession of sorts with Grover Norquist and his statement but the real world reality is the government grows just as much, if not more, under Republican administrations as it does under Democratic Administrations. You fall for the rhetoric and not the actions.
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But the rhetoric is what they run on; and it's nasty rhetoric.

And while defense spending and whatnot goes up, they sure love to cut safety net programs. Or so it seems to me; I don't feel like going to look up safety net spending under Dems vs Repubs, especially since it will depend on the state of the economy.

But the house repubs just passed a farm bill without food stamps, so that seems to support my comment.
 
dude that is the plan...... make it fail by doing crazy crap like putting wars on the credit card and giving the contracts for all the services to your friends.

You make money right now and bankrupt the country.

then you claim its all the other party fault because poor people get food stamps.


Look how much the right talked about " when Clinton signed GLB act.


Yeah but then the right held back parts of the law that was WHY Clinton was willing to do the compromise.


The democratic party has a better economic track record than the cons.

The right just non stop lies about it and the CORPORATE media helps them.

that is why the corporate media helped GWB march us to war on lies
 
tekkychick said:
But the rhetoric is what they run on; and it's nasty rhetoric.

And while defense spending and whatnot goes up, they sure love to cut safety net programs. Or so it seems to me; I don't feel like going to look up safety net spending under Dems vs Repubs, especially since it will depend on the state of the economy.

But the house repubs just passed a farm bill without food stamps, so that seems to support my comment.
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I see nothing wrong with talking about reducing the size of government but others may view that differently. Hell it was Bill Clinton who said the days of big government are over. That was of course before George W. Bush, Barack Obama, Congressional Republicans and Congressional Democrats took over the past 13 years.

Republicans rarely, if ever, cut anything. They reduce the size of growth sometimes. Their actions do not match their rhetoric.

House Republicans are proposing to reduce food stamp spending to what it was a year or two ago?
 
that is because they use it as a cover for what they really want to do.

they want to weaken the power of the people so the corps can run the country and make even MORE money
 
Cawacko said:
House Republicans are proposing to reduce food stamp spending to what it was a year or two ago?
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Actually not sure. Haven't been following it that close.

I don't mind people talking about specific programs that need to be cut. But when we do things like the sequestration, there's just a lot of unintended impacts. And Norquist - and the people who sign his pledge - are talking more about sequestration-type activities than targeted cuts in areas that are no longer as needed.

Government does a lot of good things; when Norquist et al talk about "flushing it down the drain" they're lowering the level of discourse and making people think govt is useless. I personally don't agree with that.

I do agree Repubs talk reduction and then spend a bunch; they should admit to it.
 
the power in the republican party wants this democracy dead.

it has not always been this way but it is now
 
tekkychick said:
Actually not sure. Haven't been following it that close.

I don't mind people talking about specific programs that need to be cut. But when we do things like the sequestration, there's just a lot of unintended impacts. And Norquist - and the people who sign his pledge - are talking more about sequestration-type activities than targeted cuts in areas that are no longer as needed.

Government does a lot of good things; when Norquist et al talk about "flushing it down the drain" they're lowering the level of discourse and making people think govt is useless. I personally don't agree with that.

I do agree Repubs talk reduction and then spend a bunch; they should admit to it.
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I'm sure many Republicans feel they are going to go to Washington and change they way things work (cut spending etc.) and then of course they get and get a taste of power and well we all know the rest. I can't imagine there aren't Democrats who you feel say one thing on the campaign trail and then do the opposite once in office.

I'm not an anarchist. We need government. I just believe there are a few things government does better than the private sector and many things the private sector does better than government. I understand not everyone agrees with that. Those are my beliefs. If the Democrats tomorrow started espousing those views I would be a Democrat (or should say I would vote for them).
 
evince said:
the power in the republican party wants this democracy dead.

it has not always been this way but it is now
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I think you have to go back about 100 yrs or more to find a Republicon party that doesn't want democracy dead.
 
cawacko said:
I'm sure many Republicans feel they are going to go to Washington and change they way things work (cut spending etc.) and then of course they get and get a taste of power and well we all know the rest. I can't imagine there aren't Democrats who you feel say one thing on the campaign trail and then do the opposite once in office.
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Yeah, ok, power does corrupt; or rather politicians may have the best intentions but they get to DC and they just can't do what they came there for.

Sadly, my rep is doing EXACTLY what he promised... which is voting no on anything that would help our district if it costs more than 1 penny. We thought our last one was bad; here, in an agricultural district, our current one still voted against the farm bill. (Our last one voted for it, but he's in a new district now.)

Don't know how much the farm bill would have helped our district, but I think our farmers wanted it passed.
 
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