Muzzleloader

NiftyNiblick said:
Can you get humane kills with the meager muzzle velocity of black powder weapons?

Maybe squirrels. I can't believe deer.
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People might question whether weapons and kills like the one in the pictures are humane or not. I really strive for taking the most deadly shot and will not take a shot if there is doubt…whether bow, muzzleloader or modern firearm.

The pictures are in order from where the deer was standing when I took the shot to where I found her…about 40 yards away. You’ll notice that I found my arrow in the blood trail.











 
leaningright said:
People might question whether weapons and kills like the one in the pictures are humane or not. I really strive for taking the most deadly shot and will not take a shot if there is doubt…whether bow, muzzleloader or modern firearm.

The pictures are in order from where the deer was standing when I took the shot to where I found her…about 40 yards away. You’ll notice that I found my arrow in the blood trail.

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Is that a bolt? I've practiced with a compound bow, but like a crossbow for accuracy, which leads to the ethics of a clean kill.

It always fascinates me that the Bambi-lovers have no problem with wolves chewing a deer's throat out as more humane than an arrow through the heart/lungs.

On a side note, the first person to guess what the pictures below represent wins 10,000 JPP internet points:

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Doc Dutch said:
Is that a bolt? I've practiced with a compound bow, but like a crossbow for accuracy, which leads to the ethics of a clean kill.

It always fascinates me that the Bambi-lovers have no problem with wolves chewing a deer's throat out as more humane than an arrow through the heart/lungs.

On a side note, the first person to guess what the pictures below represent wins 10,000 JPP internet points:
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Is someone planning to make his bow from scratch?

Yes, it’s a bolt. When I turned 50 I ditched the compound and bought a fairly cheap crossbow. A Barnett Jackal. I had developed some elbow issues from my pitching days. Funny, I never had a sore arm while pitching but the elbow issues showed up later…and according to the sawbones it was from all of those curve balls.

Anyway, it is really accurate. I’ve taken 5 deer with is so far. I’m not an antler hunter, I’m a meat hunter, but here’s the best buck I’ve taken.

 
leaningright said:
Is someone planning to make his bow from scratch?

Yes, it’s a bolt. When I turned 50 I ditched the compound and bought a fairly cheap crossbow. A Barnett Jackal. I had developed some elbow issues from my pitching days. Funny, I never had a sore arm while pitching but the elbow issues showed up later…and according to the sawbones it was from all of those curve balls.

Anyway, it is really accurate. I’ve taken 5 deer with is so far. I’m not an antler hunter, I’m a meat hunter, but here’s the best buck I’ve taken.

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A Barnett Jackal is a nice crossbow. Nice buck too. What range do you take the deer with?

Re elbow; Bettie Davis was right - getting old isn’t for sissies. LOL

Not much of a deer hunter here, mainly because I’m lazy and impatient. Hogs are easier*. No deer piss or camo needed. :)

*although I haven’t hunted them with a bow/crossbow.
 
Speaking of hogs; we’re being invaded by Canadian Superpigs. It’s appears all those who wanted a wall on the Southern border should have built it on the Northern border.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/animals/a43010514/super-pig-invasion/
Highly Intelligent and Possibly Invincible Super Pigs Are Invading America
  • A special breed of hybrid super pigs from Canada have started to travel south into the northern United States.
  • The pigs pose a threat to native wildlife and may prove tough to eradicate.
  • The spread of the pigs has only increased in recent years.



A hybrid breed of super pigs—a mix of a domestic pig and a wild boar—is running wild in Canada. And now they have their sights set on the United States.

Originally crossbred to help farmed pigs grow larger and tolerate the cold temperatures of Canada, a drop in the market about two decades ago led some farmers to let their hybrid pigs run free. Now they’re running very free, according to Field and Stream. The super pigs are coming south, likely heading to Montana, North Dakota, Minnesota, and Michigan.

The problem? The super pigs are proving hard to eradicate.
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Doc Dutch said:
A Barnett Jackal is a nice crossbow. Nice buck too. What range do you take the deer with?

Re elbow; Bettie Davis was right - getting old isn’t for sissies. LOL

Not much of a deer hunter here, mainly because I’m lazy and impatient. Hogs are easier*. No deer piss or camo needed. :)

*although I haven’t hunted them with a bow/crossbow.
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I would not shoot at a deer over 30-35 yards. That buck was at about 15 yards and the doe was about 5 yards. The first deer I took with the crossbow was at about 28 yards. But I’ve decided that 30 yards or so is my range limit. I can consistently hit a softball sized target out to 50 yards but I am not confident enough to shoot from that far at a live target nor do I hunt where it is open enough to allow for such a long bow shot.

No doe pee for me. Just makes things stink IMO. I’ll leave that to the Tiger Woods type of deer hunters (don’t know if you’ve seen the Tiger Woods, John Daly memes).
 
I saw an article on the super pigs from Canada just today. I’m a “kill them all” person when it comes to wild hogs. I killed one Monday that I walked upon as she was sleeping in a briar patch.
 
leaningright said:
I saw an article on the super pigs from Canada just today. I’m a “kill them all” person when it comes to wild hogs. I killed one Monday that I walked upon as she was sleeping in a briar patch.
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Do you eat those wild hogs? We don't have any here in PA (that I know of).
We have the same "mentality" when it comes to coyotes here, we leave them
for the other coyotes, hawks and buzzards.
 
leaningright said:
I would not shoot at a deer over 30-35 yards. That buck was at about 15 yards and the doe was about 5 yards. The first deer I took with the crossbow was at about 28 yards. But I’ve decided that 30 yards or so is my range limit. I can consistently hit a softball sized target out to 50 yards but I am not confident enough to shoot from that far at a live target nor do I hunt where it is open enough to allow for such a long bow shot.

No doe pee for me. Just makes things stink IMO. I’ll leave that to the Tiger Woods type of deer hunters (don’t know if you’ve seen the Tiger Woods, John Daly memes).
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Looks reasonable on the ranges. I've never hunted with a bow/crossbow, but agree on the limitation. I'm not there yet on consistently hitting a softball-sized target at 35 yards much less 50. Good job!

What brand of arrows do you like and weight of broadhead? Fixed or the spring-open type?

No on the Tiger/John memes but I did google them. This was the only hunting one I found:

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leaningright said:
I saw an article on the super pigs from Canada just today. I’m a “kill them all” person when it comes to wild hogs. I killed one Monday that I walked upon as she was sleeping in a briar patch.
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They're very destructive vermin, but piglets and sows under 24 inches at the shoulder are tasty. Boars are nature's garbage disposals and taste like it.

Unlike deer or other game which must be harvested under penalty of law, wild hogs can be left where they lay.
 
RB 60 said:
Do you eat those wild hogs? We don't have any here in PA (that I know of).
We have the same "mentality" when it comes to coyotes here, we leave them
for the other coyotes, hawks and buzzards.
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They have to meet certain criteria before I will eat them. No boars. No lice. No old sows.

Gilts, or young males less than about 50 lbs (I’ve even had to cook and feed some of these to my dogs when I got them home and started cleaning them…you can tell by the smell) are ideal.

I cure some, make home made spam and sometimes smoke some to make pulled pork. I don’t eat a lot of the wild hogs.

They are considered an invasive species here by the fish and game. Most of us hunters view them the same way. They’re prolific breeders and can deplete the resources of a property in a hurry.



This was an old sow that I found sleeping in a briar patch behind my house. I suspect she’s had numerous litters. I left her for the coyotes, possums and buzzards…but I definitely kill every hog I encounter.
 
Doc Dutch said:
They're very destructive vermin, but piglets and sows under 24 inches at the shoulder are tasty. Boars are nature's garbage disposals and taste like it.

Unlike deer or other game which must be harvested under penalty of law, wild hogs can be left where they lay.
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Yes, young ones and gilts are really good. I make spam and can it in wide mouth pint jars. It has a shelf life of a few years (ours never lasts that long) and is very tasty. Of course it is round instead of rectangular in shape but it also has far less sodium. Better than Hormel, IMO. ;)
 
leaningright said:
People might question whether weapons and kills like the one in the pictures are humane or not. I really strive for taking the most deadly shot and will not take a shot if there is doubt…whether bow, muzzleloader or modern firearm.

The pictures are in order from where the deer was standing when I took the shot to where I found her…about 40 yards away. You’ll notice that I found my arrow in the blood trail.











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I can't offer an informed opinion, because it's obviously not a Bostonian's normal daily activity.
That said, I'm certain that you aspire to be as humane as possible.
 
I started to make a thread trolling a bit because I went to a gun show today … I was going to say I was looking for the loophole. ;) But I decided to post it on this bread because it is really a continuation of the OP here. I found this unfired gem priced right and brought it home.



A Traditions EDIT: Not a Crockett, a Deerhunter … percussion muzzleloader in 32 caliber. A true squirrel rifle. https://www.sportsmansguide.com/productlist?k=Traditions Crockett

Not really a “loophole” but definitely an “exception” as far as gun shows are concerned. In over 35 years of going to gun shows this is the second gun I have brought home. They usually have nothing that I want and if they do the guns are usually way overpriced.

I’ve ordered what I need from Midway and will update here on how the gun performs.
 
leaningright said:
I started to make a thread trolling a bit because I went to a gun show today looking for the loophole. ;) But I decided to post it on this bread because it is really a continuation of the OP here. I found this I fired gem priced right and brought it home.



A Traditions Crockett percussion muzzleloader in 32 caliber. A true squirrel rifle. https://www.sportsmansguide.com/productlist?k=Traditions Crockett

Not really a “loophole” but definitely an “exception” as far as gun shows are concerned. In over 35 years of going to gun shows this is the second gun I have brought home. They usually have nothing that I want and if they do the guns are usually way overpriced.

I’ve ordered what I need from Midway and will update here on how the gun performs.
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Wow! A gun show? I usually just buy and sell guns out of my trunk. :thup: /sarcasm

Nice squirrel gun!
 
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