nano Thermite found in all 911 dust samples

You ever seen thermite burn? It doesn't look like 9/11.

I dunno .. would it look like this ..

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The USGS Spectroscopy Lab produced images which showed dense thermal hot spots days and weeks after the attacks. ABC News reported that, "the temperature at the core of "the pile," is near 2000 degrees Fahrenheit, according to fire officials, who add that the fires are too deep for firefighters to get to."

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Conventional thermite reactions generate the "molten metal" look of flowing metal; usually yellow-hot and associated with white smoke.

See any evidence of that?

I do.
 
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Evince doesn't allow such a trivial matter as reality to get in the way.
Nor, apparently, does BAC. Show him a picture of a metalworker cutting the metal, he shows you a picture of the result and says, "See? Evidence of Thermite..."

Duh.
 
Nor, apparently, does BAC. Show him a picture of a metalworker cutting the metal, he shows you a picture of the result and says, "See? Evidence of Thermite..."

Duh.

MOCKING ALERT:

Yet another really stupid child-like comment.

But I'm cool with it.

I've put far more than a picture of firefighters on the table .. including a lot you didn't know .. because you've never studied it.

Instead of grown-up questions and/or rebuttal, all you have is a "duh" comment.

Duh indeed. :)
 
MOCKING ALERT:

Yet another really stupid child-like comment.

But I'm cool with it.

I've put far more than a picture of firefighters on the table .. including a lot you didn't know .. because you've never studied it.

Instead of grown-up questions and/or rebuttal, all you have is a "duh" comment.

Duh indeed. :)
It's mocking all right. No need to "alert" people.

Earlier in the thread SF posted pictures showing metalworkers making the very cuts you pretend are evidence of the magical thermite that destroyed the building. They were removing rubble. Yet you continue to post the pictures as "evidence" of something corrupt in it. It's just idiotic to think that thermite is what brought this building down. We showed you the distinctive yellow smoke and the VERY bright light it would cause. The building would have glowed, and with the tons needed to bring the entire building down... Well, we wouldn't have been able to even look at it without welders glasses.

When I post "grown-up" stuff you ignore it and then mock people while trying to tell other people you haven't mocked anybody.

I mock, and I enjoy it. I don't fear pointing it out to people or doing it again in the future. When an idea is like this one, truly as well-documented in the other direction (thermite, not the whole of the conspiracy thought), it's like believing in unicorns even after you see the taped on horn removed. I'm not saying that there is no conspiracy here, just that thermite wasn't part of it.

There are reasonable questions for the inquiring mind, this thermite stuff isn't one of them.
 
It's mocking all right. No need to "alert" people.

Earlier in the thread SF posted pictures showing metalworkers making the very cuts you pretend are evidence of the magical thermite that destroyed the building. They were removing rubble. Yet you continue to post the pictures as "evidence" of something corrupt in it. It's just idiotic to think that thermite is what brought this building down. We showed you the distinctive yellow smoke and the VERY bright light it would cause. The building would have glowed, and with the tons needed to bring the entire building down... Well, we wouldn't have been able to even look at it without welders glasses.

When I post "grown-up" stuff you ignore it and then mock people while trying to tell other people you haven't mocked anybody.

I mock, and I enjoy it. I don't fear pointing it out to people or doing it again in the future. When an idea is like this one, truly as well-documented in the other direction (thermite, not the whole of the conspiracy thought), it's like believing in unicorns even after you see the taped on horn removed. I'm not saying that there is no conspiracy here, just that thermite wasn't part of it.

There are reasonable questions for the inquiring mind, this thermite stuff isn't one of them.

Beyond our joy in mocking each other and smacking each other about, there are serious questions to be asked about the events of 9/11.

We disagree on the thermite issue, but that's just one of hundreds of valid questions and ommissions that should be asked and answered. If you disagree on the question on thermite, then does that by extension suggest that you agree that fire brought down these buildings? Because if it does, that makes no sense. There are no exceptions to impossible. That would be idiotic.

If you have another theory that disputes thermite, and at the same time recognizes the impossibility of any uniform collapse of 3 different buildings from localized trauma, then I'll be glad to hear it.

Until then, there are no exceptions to impossible.
 
As a guy who works for NORAD, I can tell you that we didn't have the capability to stop 9/11. Reason one is that we did not have interior radar sites, and the image on the old scopes was a big blank over the interior of the US and Canada. We faught a Cold War mission that assumed any attack would be a missile or aircraft launched at us from the outside. Reason two is that no one in NORAD, not even the CINC of NORAD, had the authority to shoot down a civilian airliner. Now we have people in our chain of command that do.

That is all.

So, all this time it has been a sham that the White House was safe...that is pathetic and I am glad that things have changed. Is the Pentagon also better protected because of 9/11. It is another thing that blew me away. How easily targeted the building that holds all our military commanders could be struck. The Twin Towers, those two things I understand, but our Pentagon and White House not protected! Un friggin believable to me.
 
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Do you realize what kind of simple-minded idiot you must be to grab hold of insane conspiracy theories like these and actually believe them.....promote them.....and try to convince others they are valid...???
 
Do you realize what kind of simple-minded idiot you must be to grab hold of insane conspiracy theories like these and actually believe them.....promote them.....and try to convince others they are valid...???

Yeah, imagine anyone dumb enough to believe that there wasno WMD in Iraq .. which you were absolutely sure of?

What next .. they'll be claiming the Gulf of Tonkin Incident wasn't real.
 
Yep and the US military did not shoot down an Iranian passenger plane either!

Bet yall had forgotten that one. Iran has good reason to hate the USA.
 
So, all this time it has been a sham that the White House was safe...that is pathetic and I am glad that things have changed. Is the Pentagon also better protected because of 9/11. It is another thing that blew me away. How easily targeted the building that holds all our military commanders could be struck. The Twin Towers, those two things I understand, but our Pentagon and White House not protected! Un friggin believable to me.

He works for NORAD and I'm interested in hearing his response to my post about NORAD and wargames.
 
Yep and the US military did not shoot down an Iranian passenger plane either!

Bet yall had forgotten that one. Iran has good reason to hate the USA.

Why do you think PNAC was calling for "A New Pearl Harbor" .. because the first Pearl Harbor was subterfuge as well.

Sure we didn't know the Japanese were coming .. did we? How many lives lost in that one? How much property damage was done?

No, hell no .. Operation Northwoods is not a real document.

My first post in this thread sums it all up.
 
So, all this time it has been a sham that the White House was safe...that is pathetic and I am glad that things have changed. Is the Pentagon also better protected because of 9/11. It is another thing that blew me away. How easily targeted the building that holds all our military commanders could be struck. The Twin Towers, those two things I understand, but our Pentagon and White House not protected! Un friggin believable to me.

Not quite, we had, and still maintain, permanent radar sites which allowed the North East ADS (now reformed as the Eastern ADS) to patrol the National Capitol Region. You see, part of our mission is to create restricted air spaces over the locations of VIPs (such as the President and Prime Minister of Canada). When the President is not in DC, a permanent no fly zone, we have temporary mobile radar sites set up. That is exclusively how we used to provide air coverage to a place like Crawford, TX or Hope, AR.
 
Not quite, we had, and still maintain, permanent radar sites which allowed the North East ADS (now reformed as the Eastern ADS) to patrol the National Capitol Region. You see, part of our mission is to create restricted air spaces over the locations of VIPs (such as the President and Prime Minister of Canada). When the President is not in DC, a permanent no fly zone, we have temporary mobile radar sites set up. That is exclusively how we used to provide air coverage to a place like Crawford, TX or Hope, AR.

are you revealing classified data?:eek:
 
Prior to just three months before 9/11, that chain of command looked very different and Commanders in the field were stripped of all authority to act in the event of hijacked planes.

In June 2001, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Instruction CJCSI 3610.01A was issued for the purpose of providing "guidance to the Deputy Director for Operations (DDO), National Military Command Center (NMCC), and operational commanders in the event of an aircraft piracy (hijacking) or request for destruction of derelict airborne objects." This new instruction superseded CJCSI 3610.01 of 31 July 1997.

This CJCSI states that "In the event of a hijacking, the NMCC will be notified by the most expeditious means by the FAA. The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference d, forward requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval."

Thus, authority to respond to civilian hijackings, which had worked successfully for NORAD for 40 years, was changed to transfer all such authority to the Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.

Three months before 9/11, NORAD was essentially issued a stand-down order.

On May 8, 2001 .. just four months before 9/11, Dick Cheney was placed directly in charge of managing the integration of all training exercises throughout the entire federal government and all military agencies. On 9/11 Cheney oversaw multiple war games and terror drills, including several exercises of NORAD.

I was sitting in the congressional hearing on March 11, 2005 when Pentagon Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman General Richard Myers acknowledged that four military wargames were going on at the same time that the events of 9/11 were unfolding.

The war games included ..

Northern Vigilance, an exercise that pulled Air Force fighters from the east coast of the United States up into Canada and Alaska simulating an attack out of Russia. All of those fighters were rendered useless as the 9/11 plot unfolded - too far away to respond.

One of the components of this drill included "false blips" (radar injects simulating aircraft in flight) placed on FAA radar screens. At one point FAA head Jane Garvey said they suspected up to 11 hijackings on 9/11. They couldn't determine which were real, which were simulated, and which were live-fly military exercises?

Vigilant Warrior, an excersise that simulated using "hijacked aircraft as weapons" as crashing them into federal buildings, including the WTC and the Pentagon.

This was further supported by an April 18 2004 USA Today article titled, "NORAD had drills of jets as weapons." The report cited NORAD officials who confirmed live-fly drills were conducted using hijacked airliners originating from the continental United States used as weapons crashing into targets including the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. The specific drill USA Today referred to was "planned in July 2001."

There was also Nothern Guardian and Northern Denial, both of which took planes and resources away from the New York Washington area.

Rice lied when she said she had no idea planes could be used as weapons when in fact, those exact simulated excersises were being conducted while 9/11 was happening .. seriously inhibiting the ability to repond, and intended or unintended, providing perfect cover for the attack.

And, and, and, the US government had plans for CONDUCTING the exact kind of attacks .. using hijacked civilian planes as weapons and flying them into federal buildings as documented in Operation Northwoods.

You work for NORAD .. am I lying?

I have no idea what the Special Instructions (SPINS) and ROE were for NORAD and the Air Defense Sectors back in 2001, or indeed, prior to 2005 when I first arrived at my duty station. I have been told however, that the chain of command had never been capable of ordering an aircraft shot down in the amount of time which would have had any effect. Now, I believe, the commanders of the ADSs themselves have some discretion in these situations.

As for the training exercizes, which I have experience in, it would have been impossible for the radar operators to be bogged down by simulated blips, because on every piece of radar equipment, there are three ways of displaying a certain data type - on, off, and override.

If you are in the middle of a simulated exercize, and something serious happens, all that you have to do is turn off sims, or override the type of data (such as emergency beacon data) and the problem of clutter goes away.

In the event that the exercize consists of real FAA/NORAD flown aircraft to make it "more realistic," and to keep operators like me honest (i.e. not cheating by overriding sim data to figure out where all of the targets are at with a quick glance at the scope), then it also is not a problem. They will likely be flying on a specific series of code that can be overriden and therefore ignored by me, the operator. But even if they are being really obnoxious, there are ways for us to work around the clutter, even if its simply calling more tracking technicians onto the operations floor and assigning them specific tasks on available radar scopes.
 
I have no idea what the Special Instructions (SPINS) and ROE were for NORAD and the Air Defense Sectors back in 2001, or indeed, prior to 2005 when I first arrived at my duty station. I have been told however, that the chain of command had never been capable of ordering an aircraft shot down in the amount of time which would have had any effect. Now, I believe, the commanders of the ADSs themselves have some discretion in these situations.

As for the training exercizes, which I have experience in, it would have been impossible for the radar operators to be bogged down by simulated blips, because on every piece of radar equipment, there are three ways of displaying a certain data type - on, off, and override.

If you are in the middle of a simulated exercize, and something serious happens, all that you have to do is turn off sims, or override the type of data (such as emergency beacon data) and the problem of clutter goes away.

In the event that the exercize consists of real FAA/NORAD flown aircraft to make it "more realistic," and to keep operators like me honest (i.e. not cheating by overriding sim data to figure out where all of the targets are at with a quick glance at the scope), then it also is not a problem. They will likely be flying on a specific series of code that can be overriden and therefore ignored by me, the operator. But even if they are being really obnoxious, there are ways for us to work around the clutter, even if its simply calling more tracking technicians onto the operations floor and assigning them specific tasks on available radar scopes.

I'd like you to read this from a former ATC that I interviewed. This is not my interview, but his account of 9/11 is exactly the same.

He says the events of 9/11, particularly the non-response of NORAD and air-traffic controllers is not possible without intervention and that turning off a planes responder does not mean that plane is lost to contollers or the military.

"In addition to my career as an Air Traffic Controller, I have a great deal of other experience in aviation. I was a Certified Commercial Pilot and accumulated 1600 hours total time in light aircraft; qualified in Single-Engine Land, Multi-Engine Land, Single-Engine Sea, and Glider. I was also a Certified Flight Instructor and Certified Ground Instructor. And prior to my becoming an Air Traffic Controller, I passed the Flight Engineer Basic exam focused on the Boeing 727 and accumulated over 2000 hours of aircraft maintenance, repair and rebuilding time.

I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen.

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing “IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES” such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire “national defense-first responder” intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. In the same ten years, there were ZERO "low speed, delayed reaction, and low priority" hijacking scrambles reported, which means that the only time interceptors were ever scrambled for ten years before 9/11, they were using the high speed immediate scrambles. The system was well tuned and ready before June 2001. However, the "emergency scramble" is NOT what was used on 9/11/2001...it was the "laissez fair" scramble for a hijacking that had to get Pentagon approval before departing…and there was none forthcoming."
http://www.communitycurrency.org/robin.html

His reference to June 2001 references the Stand-Down Order I talked about.
 
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