NASA says its Curiosity rover has made a discovery on Mars, but isn't saying more.

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J. Nicholas Hoover
November 21, 2012 12:10 PM

Results of soil sample analysis by NASA's Curiosity rover may have yielded a significant scientific discovery on Mars, possibly of organic compounds, but until NASA makes a more detailed announcement at a conference in early December, the public will have to sift through available clues. In the meantime, Curiosity will take a break over the Thanksgiving holiday, during which scientists will use the rover's camera to look for future routes and targets for investigation.

"This data is one for the history books," NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist John Grotzinger recently told National Public Radio, while adding that he could not divulge more until scientists had a better chance to vet the data. Hypotheses have ranged from a discovery of complex organic matter to chemicals indicating the presence of water.

According to Grotzinger, NASA's Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) was the tool that facilitated the discovery. SAM is a hypersensitive set of three instruments -- a quadrupole mass spectrometer, a gas chromatograph and a tunable laser spectrometer -- that process and analyze soil samples in search of compounds containing carbon and other elements associated with life.

SAM is the largest tool on Curiosity, weighing in at 88 pounds. The tool's mass spectrometer separates compounds and elements by mass to help scientists identify them, while the chromatograph vaporizes samples and analyzes the resulting gasses, and the laser spectrometer measures isotopes of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen in gasses.

"Because these compounds are essential to life as we know it, their relative abundances will be an essential piece of information for evaluating whether Mars could have supported life in the past or present," NASA says in an online description of SAM's mission online.

NASA sent SAM to Mars with five specific goals, all of which aim to address questions about habitability on Mars. These goals include surveying carbon sources on Mars, searching for organic compounds, revealing the state of isotopes on Mars that are important for life as we know it on Earth, determining Mars' atmospheric composition and measuring other gases in order to "better constrain models of atmospheric and climatic evolution."

Curiosity recently spent six weeks testing its soil sampling tools at a sand dune that NASA named Rocknest. The $2.5 billion Curiosity is on a broader two-year mission to investigate Mars' present or past habitability after landing in August in the Red Planet's Gale Crater -- a site that, according to NASA analysis of satellite imagery, was historically covered with water.

NASA first used SAM's soil sample tool with soil from Rocknest on November 9, and followed that sampling with two days of analysis on the sample. In a statement issued November 13, SAM principal investigator Paul Mahaffy indicated that the sample yielded "good data," but did not tip his hand as to what that data portended.

While the discovery of organic compounds would be significant, as previous missions have not found them on Mars, NASA officials have previously said in interviews that they expect that Curiosity would find organic materials. The presence of organics would not necessarily indicate past or present presence of life on Mars: For example, organics can be found on meteorites, and methane can be produced by abiotic processes.

NASA plans to announce the news at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, which takes place December 3 to 7 in San Francisco. NASA scientists have already used SAM to analyze Mars' atmosphere, finding little evidence of methane in the atmosphere despite an earlier false alarm.

http://www.informationweek.com/government/information-management/mars-mystery-heres-what-we-know/240142491?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_Government
 

By
J. Nicholas Hoover
November 21, 2012 12:10 PM

Results of soil sample analysis by NASA's Curiosity rover may have yielded a significant scientific discovery on Mars, possibly of organic compounds, but until NASA makes a more detailed announcement at a conference in early December, the public will have to sift through available clues. In the meantime, Curiosity will take a break over the Thanksgiving holiday, during which scientists will use the rover's camera to look for future routes and targets for investigation.

"This data is one for the history books," NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist John Grotzinger recently told National Public Radio, while adding that he could not divulge more until scientists had a better chance to vet the data. Hypotheses have ranged from a discovery of complex organic matter to chemicals indicating the presence of water.

According to Grotzinger, NASA's Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) was the tool that facilitated the discovery. SAM is a hypersensitive set of three instruments -- a quadrupole mass spectrometer, a gas chromatograph and a tunable laser spectrometer -- that process and analyze soil samples in search of compounds containing carbon and other elements associated with life.

SAM is the largest tool on Curiosity, weighing in at 88 pounds. The tool's mass spectrometer separates compounds and elements by mass to help scientists identify them, while the chromatograph vaporizes samples and analyzes the resulting gasses, and the laser spectrometer measures isotopes of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen in gasses.

"Because these compounds are essential to life as we know it, their relative abundances will be an essential piece of information for evaluating whether Mars could have supported life in the past or present," NASA says in an online description of SAM's mission online.

NASA sent SAM to Mars with five specific goals, all of which aim to address questions about habitability on Mars. These goals include surveying carbon sources on Mars, searching for organic compounds, revealing the state of isotopes on Mars that are important for life as we know it on Earth, determining Mars' atmospheric composition and measuring other gases in order to "better constrain models of atmospheric and climatic evolution."

Curiosity recently spent six weeks testing its soil sampling tools at a sand dune that NASA named Rocknest. The $2.5 billion Curiosity is on a broader two-year mission to investigate Mars' present or past habitability after landing in August in the Red Planet's Gale Crater -- a site that, according to NASA analysis of satellite imagery, was historically covered with water.

NASA first used SAM's soil sample tool with soil from Rocknest on November 9, and followed that sampling with two days of analysis on the sample. In a statement issued November 13, SAM principal investigator Paul Mahaffy indicated that the sample yielded "good data," but did not tip his hand as to what that data portended.

While the discovery of organic compounds would be significant, as previous missions have not found them on Mars, NASA officials have previously said in interviews that they expect that Curiosity would find organic materials. The presence of organics would not necessarily indicate past or present presence of life on Mars: For example, organics can be found on meteorites, and methane can be produced by abiotic processes.

NASA plans to announce the news at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union, which takes place December 3 to 7 in San Francisco. NASA scientists have already used SAM to analyze Mars' atmosphere, finding little evidence of methane in the atmosphere despite an earlier false alarm.

http://www.informationweek.com/government/information-management/mars-mystery-heres-what-we-know/240142491?cid=RSSfeed_IWK_Government

I am quite convinced that there is life on mars underneath the surface. Their discovery may be from the samples they found within a Mar's cavern.

I'd be more interested in the state of Mar's core. What it consists of and if it is active or not.
 
So, lets pretend that NASA has discovered microbial life. Real biological Martian life. How will the Christian Fundy's react? They pretend that evolution is not real because they belive it does not fit in with there story. How would Martian life fit in with the story?

What will Pat Robertson, Huckabee and Rubio say?
 
LOL. We've found something. But we won't tell you what it is... because you are all stupid proles and we can just make you wait!
 
So, lets pretend that NASA has discovered microbial life. Real biological Martian life. How will the Christian Fundy's react? They pretend that evolution is not real because they belive it does not fit in with there story. How would Martian life fit in with the story?

why would you assume Martian life evolved and was not created?.........
 
Because we have educated brains?! That would be my guess....why would you think otherwise? Do you believe in ancient aliens or something?
 
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curiosity isn't made to find life on mars, nor does it have the ability to do so (short of having an obvious fossil not buried at all that we can take a picture of - impossible). It's made to find organic compounds. Finding these compounds, while interesting, doesn't tell us anything specifically about whether or not those compounds were the result of life.

The best we are going to get out of curiosity is finding organic compounds, which I assume is what they have found.
 
curiosity isn't made to find life on mars, nor does it have the ability to do so (short of having an obvious fossil not buried at all that we can take a picture of - impossible). It's made to find organic compounds. Finding these compounds, while interesting, doesn't tell us anything specifically about whether or not those compounds were the result of life.

The best we are going to get out of curiosity is finding organic compounds, which I assume is what they have found.

A little science goes a long way...

The overarching science goal of the mission is to assess whether the landing area has ever had or still has environmental conditions favorable to microbial life, both its habitability and its preservation.
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/fact_sheets/mars-science-laboratory.pdf

It seems it was designed to find life and many other things.
 
So, lets pretend that NASA has discovered microbial life. Real biological Martian life. How will the Christian Fundy's react? They pretend that evolution is not real because they belive it does not fit in with there story. How would Martian life fit in with the story?

What will Pat Robertson, Huckabee and Rubio say?

I've grown up in the South, surrounded by Christian fundies in the Bible Belt, my family was largely Baptist, I have two uncles who are ministers. I have never heard any Christian teaching which refutes evolution theory as articulated by Darwin. I've never heard the 6,000 year old earth theology. Finally, I have never heard that God could have only created life on Earth and nowhere else. Now, one would think, after 53 years of living in the Bible Belt, surrounded by Christian fundies, I would have at least heard these things a few times. But no. I've heard them speak in tongues, I've watched videos of them supposedly healing people and handling snakes, and I've witnessed some pretty bizarre rituals from Pentecostals and such, but these repeated claims from the anti-religious left... never heard them once. Isn't that odd?
 
I've grown up in the South, surrounded by Christian fundies in the Bible Belt, my family was largely Baptist, I have two uncles who are ministers. I have never heard any Christian teaching which refutes evolution theory as articulated by Darwin. I've never heard the 6,000 year old earth theology. Finally, I have never heard that God could have only created life on Earth and nowhere else. Now, one would think, after 53 years of living in the Bible Belt, surrounded by Christian fundies, I would have at least heard these things a few times. But no. I've heard them speak in tongues, I've watched videos of them supposedly healing people and handling snakes, and I've witnessed some pretty bizarre rituals from Pentecostals and such, but these repeated claims from the anti-religious left... never heard them once. Isn't that odd?

Yes that is pretty odd. I can, from first hand experience and knowledge, tell you that not only have I heard Baptists tell me they never thought God would allow us to land on the moon but that the books in my library are possessed by the Devil and they wouldn't have them in their house. I could go on...but I don't feel a need. Suffice it to say that these are common religious nutter beliefs and it is odd that you have managed to avoid them so completely.
 
Maybe they found a stone age hand axe. :whoa:

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Yes that is pretty odd. I can, from first hand experience and knowledge, tell you that not only have I heard Baptists tell me they never thought God would allow us to land on the moon but that the books in my library are possessed by the Devil and they wouldn't have them in their house. I could go on...but I don't feel a need. Suffice it to say that these are common religious nutter beliefs and it is odd that you have managed to avoid them so completely.

I've never heard either one of those things either. Demonic possession? Sounds like a Catholic nutter to me.

I reject the notion that any of these are indicative of mainstream Christians. As I said, I have been around them all my life, and have seen some pretty weird shit that Christians do and say, but none of these things mentioned are typical or usual. To continue insisting they are, is ignorance.

I recently had a lengthy conversation with my uncle, who has been a Baptist minister for over 55 years, regarding the ever-popular "6,000 year old Earth" meme. He almost laughed his ass off. He says the first problem is, these are probably nutball fundamentalists who have grossly mistranslated the scriptures. He proved his point rather quickly, using Genesis 1:1 & Genesis 1:2, and pointing out there is no stated period of time between them, covered in the Bible. It may have been billions of years between Gen. 1:1 & 1:2, the Bible doesn't say. In fact it's all the way up to the 5th verse, before God creates night and day, and there is no accounting for what period of relevant human-understood amount of time had passed. This in of itself, nullifies any notion or idea that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
 
I've never heard either one of those things either. Demonic possession? Sounds like a Catholic nutter to me.

I reject the notion that any of these are indicative of mainstream Christians. As I said, I have been around them all my life, and have seen some pretty weird shit that Christians do and say, but none of these things mentioned are typical or usual. To continue insisting they are, is ignorance.

I recently had a lengthy conversation with my uncle, who has been a Baptist minister for over 55 years, regarding the ever-popular "6,000 year old Earth" meme. He almost laughed his ass off. He says the first problem is, these are probably nutball fundamentalists who have grossly mistranslated the scriptures. He proved his point rather quickly, using Genesis 1:1 & Genesis 1:2, and pointing out there is no stated period of time between them, covered in the Bible. It may have been billions of years between Gen. 1:1 & 1:2, the Bible doesn't say. In fact it's all the way up to the 5th verse, before God creates night and day, and there is no accounting for what period of relevant human-understood amount of time had passed. This in of itself, nullifies any notion or idea that the Earth is only 6,000 years old.

Well traditional Baptists think for themselves but these SBC Baptists are nutters and believe all manner of insanity...and they're everywhere. This notion of imprecatory prayer and leaving marks in the street to indicate satan inspired business or people...it's wild. They'd burn people for witches if they could. We have at least one church full of these insane people. My inlaws were the insane variety of Baptist.

They aren't content to live and let live...they're going to brow beat you no matter what if they can.
 
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