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Damocles said:
You really don't understand the effects of alcohol. Alcohol can actually change your brain chemistry so much that you can be permanently effected by its abuse.

Alcohol doesn't just poison your brain, it also poisons your body. Its abuse can lead to psorosis of the liver as well as other physical ailments.

Its overuse leads about 80% of alcoholics to thiamine deficiency and can lead to serious problems such as Wernicke–Korsakoff syndrome.
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It's not a POISON.

If you call alcohol a POISON you have to call aspirin a POISON.
 
I think it's people like you who vastly inflate the dangers of drugs. There are dangers to drugs, but it isn't any of the ones you people make up.
 
Calling aspirin a poison is such a ridiculous exageration of the word that it would render the word pointless. Poisonous amounts of aspirin can be taken, yes, but anything that happens under the normal dosage should be called "negative side effects". To call alcohol a poison, simialarly is stupid, and an exagerated scare tactic.
 
Watermark said:
If aspirin is a poison, apples and steak are also poison.
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Apple seeds are a poison.

Look, there is a reason that the Poison Control Center has aspirin listed as a poison. It is because it is. Improperly used it can kill you, and very quickly.

The definition of a poison is a substance with an inherent property that tends to destroy life or impair health. Aspirin is such a substance. It is why it is given in small doses, so that the liver can negate the effects without damage. The liver, quite literally, is the poison filter. If the dosage of a poison is too large to clear from the system, it will damage the liver causing exactly the effect that defines poison.

While some poisons are more immediately detrimental to your health, it doesn't change that it is a poison.
 
Damocles said:
Apple seeds are a poison.

Look, there is a reason that the Poison Control Center has aspirin listed as a poison. It is because it is. Improperly used it can kill you, and very quickly.

The definition of a poison is a substance with an inherent property that tends to destroy life or impair health. Aspirin is such a substance. It is why it is given in small doses, so that the liver can negate the effects without damage. The liver, quite literally, is the poison filter. If the dosage of a poison is too large to clear from the system, it will damage the liver causing exactly the effect that defines poison.

While some poisons are more immediately detrimental to your health, it doesn't change that it is a poison.
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:P

I haven't slept enough and I'm pissy.
 
AnyOldIron said:
Where do you think the phrase 'What's your poison?' when asking someone what they want to drink comes from?
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Common misconception.

They used to label heroin with the little poison arrows too. The danger from the drug doesn't come from the fact that in ridiculously large amounts it could kill you as a poison, it comes from the fact that its psychological effects are life wrecking.
 
Watermark said:
Common misconception.

They used to label heroin with the little poison arrows too. The danger from the drug doesn't come from the fact that in ridiculously large amounts it could kill you as a poison, it comes from the fact that its psychological effects are life wrecking.
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It could be called a poison because it makes physiological changes to the body which can effect a withdrawal so strong that you can die from not taking it.

It could also be, considering dosages, one can die from simply taking it at all.

Much like lithium, which is a poison as well as a 'drug' given at non-lethal levels to help people with bi-polar disorder.

That a poison might give other effects such as a change in mood, or a lowering of inhibition and can be taken in dosages small enough not to kill you doesn't change that it is a poison. Much like nicotine.
 
They used to label heroin with the little poison arrows too. The danger from the drug doesn't come from the fact that in ridiculously large amounts it could kill you as a poison, it comes from the fact that its psychological effects are life wrecking.

I think you'll find its that the effects of taking heroin are the repurcussion of a mild poisoning. Poison doesn't kill you. Beesting uses a mild poison.
 
AnyOldIron said:
They used to label heroin with the little poison arrows too. The danger from the drug doesn't come from the fact that in ridiculously large amounts it could kill you as a poison, it comes from the fact that its psychological effects are life wrecking.

I think you'll find its that the effects of taking heroin are the repurcussion of a mild poisoning. Poison doesn't kill you. Beesting uses a mild poison.
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I only use the word "poison" to describe a dosage of a specific substance that will result in immediate damage or death. Heroin doesn't cause any damage to the nervous system or anything, at least on the first dose. Babies of mothers who took heroin come out with nothing wrong physically wrong besides the fact that they need to be withdrawn from heroin. And heroin withdrawal, although painful, doesn't kill people. Alcohol withdrawal can kill people, but it takes a long time of chronic alcohol abuse for someone to get that addicted.
 
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