New Zealand's semi-automatic rifle ban

[StoneByStone]

Gun nuts always tell us that more gun control would lead to a dictatorship because the people would be unable to fight back against the government.
New Zealand is set to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Who wants to theorize how gun nuts will explain why New Zealand didn't become a dictatorship?

 

[Nordberg]

They will have fewer mass shootings and less danger to the citizens. That is so un-American. We don't like fewer shootings.

 

[Teflon Don]

Gun nuts always tell us that more gun control would lead to a dictatorship because the people would be unable to fight back against the government.
New Zealand is set to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Who wants to theorize how gun nuts will explain why New Zealand didn't become a dictatorship?

Bullshit strawman argument

These things don’t happen overnight

God bless the 2nd Amendment

I went out and bought another AR15 just for shits and giggles. Didn’t need it. Just wanted it

 

[Robo]

Gun nuts always tell us that more gun control would lead to a dictatorship because the people would be unable to fight back against the government.
New Zealand is set to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Who wants to theorize how gun nuts will explain why New Zealand didn't become a dictatorship?

They will have fewer mass shootings and less danger to the citizens. That is so un-American. We don't like fewer shootings.

But isn’t America under a threat of tyrannical dictatorship right now? Isn’t our President the “Orange Trump” and his family taking over America? Aren’t they arming their new army the KKK and all of those deplorable other racist? Aren’t they getting ready to take you good leftist Democrats guns? How are you gonna defend the country if they take your guns?

I think our nation’s founders were much, much, much smarter than a gang of wimpy-assed leftist in today’s world.

“An armed people are a free people.” (George Washington)

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

They will have fewer mass shootings and less danger to the citizens. That is so un-American. We don't like fewer shootings.

 

[countryboy]

Gun nuts always tell us that more gun control would lead to a dictatorship because the people would be unable to fight back against the government.
New Zealand is set to ban all semi-automatic rifles. Who wants to theorize how gun nuts will explain why New Zealand didn't become a dictatorship?

Do you support this? Would you like to see all semi automatic rifles banned in the USA?

 

[StoneByStone]

These things don’t happen overnight

Fair enough. How long do you think it will take before New Zealand is a totalitarian state?

 

[StoneByStone]

Do you support this? Would you like to see all semi automatic rifles banned in the USA?

I wouldn't mind much either way, but I do think we need a lot more gun control in America.
And no, I don't think that will lead to Fascism or Communism.

 

[archives]

But isn’t America under a threat of tyrannical dictatorship right now? Isn’t our President the “Orange Trump” and his family taking over America? Aren’t they arming their new army the KKK and all of those deplorable other racist? Aren’t they getting ready to take you good leftist Democrats guns? How are you gonna defend the country if they take your guns?

I think our nation’s founders were much, much, much smarter than a gang of wimpy-assed leftist in today’s world.

“An armed people are a free people.” (George Washington)

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, Virginia Constitution, Draft 1, 1776
"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, December 20, 1787

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson, Commonplace Book (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria), 1774-1776

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
- Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787

That's pretty funny, obvious an effort taken off of a NRA or similar website owned by the gun manufacturers, do you know how easy it is to cherry pick anything some Founding Father said to frame an opinion?

If the Founding Fathers meant for everyone to have a gun why did they purposely add the prefatory clause to the Second Amendment? They didn't have to, but they did, obviously for some reason

And the point gun advocates never get, or just flat out refuse to accept, any Constitutional right can be regulated and restricted, none of them are absolute, have never been, nor will ever be, just a fact

 

[StoneByStone]

But isn’t America under a threat of tyrannical dictatorship right now? Isn’t our President the “Orange Trump” and his family taking over America? Aren’t they arming their new army the KKK and all of those deplorable other racist? Aren’t they getting ready to take you good leftist Democrats guns? How are you gonna defend the country if they take your guns?

Historically speaking, an armed population means there is more of a chance of a country becoming a dictatorship. While I don't think Trump's supporters are all racists, most of them do support Trump's Fascist direction. And like Trump himself said, "I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad." This is exactly what happened in Russia, which lead to the Soviet Union.
As of now, America is closer to being a dictatorship because we have a wannabe dictator in office and a bunch of drooling idiots with guns who want to keep him there.

 

[archives]

I wouldn't mind much either way, but I do think we need a lot more gun control in America.
And no, I don't think that will lead to Fascism or Communism.

Of course not, but nothing meaningful is going happen on the Federal level, if four and five year old kids getting massacred by semi-automatic weapons didn't get Washington to act nothing will, half are owned by the gun manufacturers, and the majority of the rest don't have the courage

Reform will, and is beginning, on the State and local level, look at the States today that have stricter gun laws and the majority also have less gun violence, and the opposite is also true, which is fine, let them slaughter each other with their toys

 

[StoneByStone]

Of course not, but nothing meaningful is going happen on the Federal level, if four and five year old kids getting massacred by semi-automatic weapons didn't get Washington to act nothing will, half are owned by the gun manufacturers, and the majority of the rest don't have the courage

Yeah, we're probably just going to have to wait for the Boomers to die out before we have sensible gun policies.

Reform will, and is beginning, on the State and local level, look at the States today that have stricter gun laws and the majority also have less gun violence, and the opposite is also true, which is fine, let them slaughter each other with their toys

I'd feel the same way if there wasn't so many innocent people including kids that are getting killed because of this gun fetishism.

 

[Truth Detector]

I wouldn't mind much either way, but I do think we need a lot more gun control in America.
And no, I don't think that will lead to Fascism or Communism.

What gun control measures would have prevented the New Zealand tragedy? Doesn't Norway have extreme gun control? What measure would have prevented their mass shooting tragedy?

Las Vegas; what gun control measure would have prevented it?

 

[Truth Detector]

That's pretty funny, obvious an effort taken off of a NRA or similar website owned by the gun manufacturers, do you know how easy it is to cherry pick anything some Founding Father said to frame an opinion?

If the Founding Fathers meant for everyone to have a gun why did they purposely add the prefatory clause to the Second Amendment? They didn't have to, but they did, obviously for some reason

And the point gun advocates never get, or just flat out refuse to accept, any Constitutional right can be regulated and restricted, none of them are absolute, have never been, nor will ever be, just a fact

Morons on the left cannot get their heads around the concept that Government is the evil in society and one that needs to be held at bay. Alas, being uneducated low IQ dullards, they think Government is great and we need more of the nanny state....except when Trump is in charge, then Government is bad.

In any tyranny, the first thing the State does is confiscate the citizens weaponry. It is apparent that because yo are an uneducated dolt, you have no historical knowledge to comprehend why and armed citizenry is a good thing.

Does France have very strict gun laws? Yes or no?

 

[Truth Detector]

Historically speaking, an armed population means there is more of a chance of a country becoming a dictatorship.

That is historically false and moronic. It is the exact opposite. The first thing authoritarian states do is take arms away from the citizens. An armed citizenry is dangerous to totalitarians. Do you think Kim Jung wants an armed populace? How about China?

While I don't think Trump's supporters are all racists, most of them do support Trump's Fascist direction.

Really? What has Trump done that is Fascist?

And like Trump himself said, "I have the tough people, but they don't play it tough until they go to a certain point, and then it would be very bad, very bad."

So words strike fear into the hearts of low IQ liberals? What did you think when Obama stated he didn't need Congress? Were you okay with that?

This is exactly what happened in Russia, which lead to the Soviet Union.

No it is not; and making such moronic claims paint you as an uneducated buffoon.

As of now, America is closer to being a dictatorship because we have a wannabe dictator in office and a bunch of drooling idiots with guns who want to keep him there.

Aside from the glaring ignorance of your statement, precisely what has Trump done to bring us closer to a dictatorship?

It's hard to take such moronic nonsense seriously.

 

[Truth Detector]

....look at the States today that have stricter gun laws and the majority also have less gun violence, and the opposite is also true, which is fine, let them slaughter each other with their toys

LINK please.

 

[Truth Detector]

Yeah, we're probably just going to have to wait for the Boomers to die out before we have sensible gun policies.

Why is that? The current generation is being indoctrinated rather than educated. Where do you think that will lead? Starts with an "F" and ends with an "m".

I'd feel the same way if there wasn't so many innocent people including kids that are getting killed because of this gun fetishism.

Does France have very strict gun laws? Yes or no?

 

[StoneByStone]

What gun control measures would have prevented the New Zealand tragedy?

Probably none, but if military-style weapons were banned, he at least wouldn't have been able to kill as many people.

Doesn't Norway have extreme gun control? What measure would have prevented their mass shooting tragedy?

Not really extreme, but they do have stricter laws than America. They also have less mass shootings.

Las Vegas; what gun control measure would have prevented it?

Stephen Paddock was mentally ill but was still able to legally buy his guns. Maybe if it was illegal for the mentally ill to own guns, this wouldn't have happened.
We should also be treating the mentally ill, but that's another issue.

 

[Truth Detector]

Probably none, but if military-style weapons were banned, he at least wouldn't have been able to kill as many people.

Aren't they banned in Norway? France?

Not really extreme, but they do have stricter laws than America. They also have less mass shootings.

Their population also smaller than that of the city of Los Angeles or New York City. Dunce.

Yet, they had a terrible mass shooting which resulted in 77 deaths.

Stephen Paddock was mentally ill but was still able to legally buy his guns. Maybe if it was illegal for the mentally ill to own guns, this wouldn't have happened.
We should also be treating the mentally ill, but that's another issue.

That is a LIE and LAME. Paddock has not been treated nor diagnosed with any mental disease prior to the shooting. It is currently ILLEGAL to purchase arms if you have a history of mental disorder snowflake.

You might want to become informed before you bloviate like an uninformed idiot.

Answer the questions; what gun laws would have prevented the tragedies in Norway or France? In France the terrorists used fully automatic weapons and hand grenades. How could that be? Aren't they illegal?

 

[StoneByStone]

Why is that? The current generation is being indoctrinated rather than educated. Where do you think that will lead? Starts with an "F" and ends with an "m".

Every generation gets indoctrinated, but every generation is also more educated than the last. This is why America has always moved towards the Left. At one point, women voting was a radical left-wing stance. Today it's the norm.

Does France have very strict gun laws? Yes or no?

No.