New Zealand's semi-automatic rifle ban

Truth Detector said:
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is a left wing BAN guns agenda driven organization; their claims are not only moronic, but lies.



Tonic? That's your spource? STFU :laugh: Regurgitation of the agenda driven Center for Disease control.



Giffords Law service? STFU! :laugh:



USA Today quoting 24/7 Wall Street? STFU!! :laugh:



This anti-Gun web site is merely making the FALSE claim that if you make purchasing a gun really hard, fewer people will own guns. That is a pile of excrement as well. :laugh:



My favorite bullshit story about Chicago. Yeah you dumb fuck, the thugs on the South-side murdering themselves drive all the way to Indiana to buy their guns legally.

You're too stupid and suffer from a severe lack of IQ to comprehend how stupid that is.

FACTS instead of BULLshit:

Here are eight stubborn facts to keep in mind about gun violence in America:

[indent =3](1) Violent crime is down and has been on the decline for decades.[/indent]
[indent =3](2) The principal public safety concerns with respect to guns are suicides and illegally owned handguns, not mass shootings.[/indent]
[indent =3](3) A small number of factors significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide.[/indent]
[indent =3](4) Gun-related murders are carried out by a predictable pool of people.[/indent]
[indent =3](5) Higher rates of gun ownership are not associated with higher rates of violent crime.[/indent]
[indent =3](6) There is no clear relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates.[/indent]
[indent =3](7) Legally owned firearms are used for lawful purposes much more often than they are used to commit crimes or suicide.[/indent]
[indent =3](8) Concealed carry permit holders are not the problem, but they may be part of the solution.[/indent]

Read and become informed instead of being a moron:

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america
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What a surprise, "truthie" doesn't like the sources, notice he didn't offer any evidence to invalidate the sources, he just didn't like them so they got to be bogus, and to make it even more comical, he returns with "the Heritage," beautiful, might as well used the NRA as a source

And the "all the way to Indiana" is less than an hour, duh, any entrepreneur with a trunk in his car can making a killing

Crime is down, but mass shootings are up, way up, and the greatest "factor significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide" is having a gun present in one's environment.

Perhaps there does exist a "a predictable pool of people," but we don't necessarily know who they are nor what their targets may be, but we do what tool they will use to execute their plans, and that is the easiest variable to control

And if there is "no relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates" why is it that the majority of those States with stricter gun laws have fewer gun homicides than the opposite relationship?

And I love to know how carrying is part of the solution when having more guns out there has proven not to reduce gun violence
 
archives said:
What a surprise, "truthie" doesn't like the sources, notice he didn't offer any evidence to invalidate the sources, he just didn't like them so they got to be bogus, and to make it even more comical, he returns with "the Heritage," beautiful, might as well used the NRA as a source

And the "all the way to Indiana" is less than an hour, duh, any entrepreneur with a trunk in his car can making a killing

Crime is down, but mass shootings are up, way up, and the greatest "factor significantly increase the likelihood that a person will be a victim of a gun-related homicide" is having a gun present in one's environment.

Perhaps there does exist a "a predictable pool of people," but we don't necessarily know who they are nor what their targets may be, but we do what tool they will use to execute their plans, and that is the easiest variable to control

And if there is "no relationship between strict gun control legislation and homicide or violent crime rates" why is it that the majority of those States with stricter gun laws have fewer gun homicides than the opposite relationship?

And I love to know how carrying is part of the solution when having more guns out there has proven not to reduce gun violence
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Care to explain HOW such can occur??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Care to explain HOW such can occur??
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Well, lets see, you start your car, get on the highway, drive southeast, etc

"With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun" "Those with felony convictions commonly use straw purchases, in which they enlist someone with a clean record to purchase multiple guns" "Law enforcement officials say 60 percent of the guns confiscated on the streets of Chicago come from Indiana"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

https://www.chicagocriminallawyerblog.net/where-do-all-illegal-guns-from-chicago/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-guns-used-in-chicago-actually-came-from/
https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam... Room/Press Releases/2017/October/GTR2017.pdf
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/trace-report-details-origins-of-chicago-guns-possible-solutions/
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/10/29/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017/
 
archives said:
Well, lets see, you start your car, get on the highway, drive southeast, etc

"With no permit or license required to purchase a gun in Indiana, it is incredibly easy for a trafficker to drive across the state line, obtain a gun" "Those with felony convictions commonly use straw purchases, in which they enlist someone with a clean record to purchase multiple guns" "Law enforcement officials say 60 percent of the guns confiscated on the streets of Chicago come from Indiana"
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...l-chicago-dahleen-glanton-20171003-story.html

https://www.chicagocriminallawyerblog.net/where-do-all-illegal-guns-from-chicago/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-the-guns-used-in-chicago-actually-came-from/
https://www.chicago.gov/content/dam... Room/Press Releases/2017/October/GTR2017.pdf
https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/trace-report-details-origins-of-chicago-guns-possible-solutions/
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/10/29/chicago-gun-trace-report-2017/
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Are you aware that "obtaining a gun" is different then taking possession??

And "this" is already illegal.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Are you aware that "obtaining a gun" is different then taking possession??

And "this" is already illegal.
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Ah, argue with the Chicago Police Dept who traced back to Indiana close to sixty percent of the guns they confiscated in Chicago, those guns aren't walking into the city on their own
 
archives said:
Ah, argue with the Chicago Police Dept who traced back to Indiana close to sixty percent of the guns they confiscated in Chicago, those guns aren't walking into the city on their own
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Tracing has nothing to do with the FACT that criminals are ALWAYS going to do things illegally, to justify the end; but please explain how criminals are going to obey the law(s)??
 
StoneByStone said:
Russia. The Bolsheviks were able to overthrow the government because the people with the guns supported Lenin and Stalin.
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Okay, there's one. You said this happens often. And please tell us what happened toward the end of the Bolshevik Revolution. You're a fucking lying piece of shit fraud get the fuck out of here.
 
countryboy said:
Okay, there's one. You said this happens often. And please tell us what happened toward the end of the Bolshevik Revolution. You're a fucking lying piece of shit fraud get the fuck out of here.
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Apology accepted.
Trump has also bragged about how he has the "tough people" on his side. Trump has a cult-like following of gun nuts who don't care that he lies all the time. Yeah, nothing Fascist about that at all.
 
StoneByStone said:
This is part of why an armed population is more likely to lead to a dictatorship. The people with lots of guns often support the conmen.
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countryboy said:
Can you cite a single historical example of this?
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Nordberg said:
American Revolution?
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countryboy said:
This country has never been a dictatorship you idiot. Try again.
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USFREEDOM911 said:
Are you saying that after the British surrendered, that a dictator was then put in office??
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You seem to have willingly ignored the above questions, as you're wont to do; but can you explain why you wish to remain stupid??


StoneByStone said:
Russia. The Bolsheviks were able to overthrow the government because the people with the guns supported Lenin and Stalin.
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countryboy said:
Okay, there's one. You said this happens often. And please tell us what happened toward the end of the Bolshevik Revolution. You're a fucking lying piece of shit fraud get the fuck out of here.
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StoneByStone said:
Apology accepted.
Trump has also bragged about how he has the "tough people" on his side. Trump has a cult-like following of gun nuts who don't care that he lies all the time. Yeah, nothing Fascist about that at all.
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And then again, you ignored another question!!

StoneByStone said:
Wrong. When the Nazis came to power, the made it easier for people to buy and own guns, not harder.
An armed citizenry is usually used to overthrow democracy and install a dictatorship. Again, that's what the Bolsheviks did in Russia, which created the Soviet Union.

He's undermined journalists and any media that criticizes him as being "the enemy of the people." He's given family members positions of power. He's sided with other dictators, such as Putin and Salman, over the CIA. He worked with foreign powers to rig an election. He's called for violence against protesters. And he complains about how much better things "used to be."

Now keep in mind, I'm not saying Trump is a Fascist. What I'm saying is that he does Fascist things and, maybe unintentionally, is causing a culture of Fascism. This is pulling America in the direction of Fascism.

Are you referring to this quote?
"While I believe I have the authority to carry out this military action without specific congressional authorization, I know that the country will be stronger ... and our actions will be even more effective if the strike is authorized by Congress."

If Obama had the legal right to carry out military action without congress, then it doesn't make him Fascist to do so. The fact that he still wanted congress' approval means he respects checks and balances.
Unless you're referring to something else.
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USFREEDOM911 said:
And you found this information,...……………….where??

"...When the Nazis came to power, the made it easier for people to buy and own guns…"
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And yet again!!

Do those questions scare you or are they challenging your ability to be honest??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
You seem to have willingly ignored the above questions, as you're wont to do; but can you explain why you wish to remain stupid??
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Which questions? What happened at the end of the Bolshevik Revolution? The "good guys with the guns" installed a government that went on to kill more people than any other government before them. I thought we all knew this.

Do those questions scare you or are they challenging your ability to be honest??
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If this refers to the Nazis making it easier to own guns, here you go. https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/apr/08/viral-image/no-gun-control-regulation-nazi-germany-did-not-hel/

Gun control was actually stricter during the Weimar Republic. The Nazis relaxed the gun control laws for German citizens.
 
StoneByStone said:
Which questions? What happened at the end of the Bolshevik Revolution? The "good guys with the guns" installed a government that went on to kill more people than any other government before them. I thought we all knew this.



If this refers to the Nazis making it easier to own guns, here you go. https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/apr/08/viral-image/no-gun-control-regulation-nazi-germany-did-not-hel/

Gun control was actually stricter during the Weimar Republic. The Nazis relaxed the gun control laws for German citizens.
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Which questions??

I listed them for you already, are you blind or just obtuse??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!


https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-trump-heads-border-tout-his-wall-actually-plans-n991376
 
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