Newt must go for Santorum to beat Romney

I can't wait to see Dixie in 3 months touting how Romney is the greatest thing since 2nd cousin marriages (i.e. marrying a cousin twice), how Obama better be scurred, and then 3 days after the election going back to how Romney was 'chosen' by the secret liberal elite who apparently run the RNC.
 
Johnny FingerRocket said:
I can't wait to see Dixie in 3 months touting how Romney is the greatest thing since 2nd cousin marriages (i.e. marrying a cousin twice), how Obama better be scurred, and then 3 days after the election going back to how Romney was 'chosen' by the secret liberal elite who apparently run the RNC.
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Oh hey, I am already working on a thread about coming to terms with Romney, I have no delusions here. Romeny's effing Golden Retreiver would be better than the idiot currently in the White House. I will definitely vote for Romney over Obama, if that is my choice. I would rather vote for Santorum over Obama, but that is my preference for the moment, Santorum wasn't my first choice, but then, you knew that.
 
Dixie said:
Again, he was outspent in Ohio 10 to 1!
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4:1. Not 10:1.

And it doesn't matter if he is outspent. Money wins elections. That's a plus, not a minus. You are basically saying that "if romney didn't use something that helps win elections, he would have lost the election"

Doesn't make sense. Spending power is just as good as ideas when it comes to the theatre of politics.


He only lost by one point.
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But he lost. And he was so unorganized and inept he didn't even reg in the counties most favorable for him.
And he was up by 10-18 points a week ago. So although you are spinning it as a one point loss, it's really that he basically bled out voters left and right.


Yes, some liberals are anticipating Santorum because they believe he can be defeated by turning the election into social conservative issues, but that will not be what the election is decided on. The GOP elite are certainly not giving Santorum a chance, to a letter, they all say he is done.
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yes, it wont be what it's decided on, which is why it's stupid for him (and a complete waste of time/resources) to bring up issues that are complete losers for the republicans.


Again, if Santorum and Newt had not split the rest of the vote, Romney wouldn't have won ANY state last night.
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Ah, heres what you do best. Plainly make shit up hoping no one throws facts in your face.

Now I know I am making a mistake asking you math questions, but I think even you can handle these:

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What's 12+4 dixie?

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what's 18+2?

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What's 23+8?

In your fantasy world of a non-existent yesterday, that's still 90 delegate votes locked up for romney. Not to mention how many he would have taken for placing second anyway. And that's with your best case scenario.

Also it's a bit foolish to assume that santorum would get every single vote from newt. Republicans have constantly stated that they see romney as the most electable, and they trust him the most on the issue of the economy. It's perfectly plausible that if one sides chosen boytoy isn't in the race, and their flirtation with a mouthbreather comes to an end, that they shape up and step in line. Also I would be willing to bet that more ron paul supporters would vote romney over santorum of newt. They may not agree with romney on a lot, but he's the lesser of the other 3 evils, given that he's not a hardcore social conservative and he's relatively fiscally conservative. so two can play your what if scenario game. The bottom line is, it didn't happen, it wont happen, and it's irrelevant.


He didn't get anywhere near plurality, and that should worry the Romney team.
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Either STOP LYING or DO YOUR FUCKING RESEARCH.

Super Tuesday stats:

total --- 3633216
Romeny - 1387342
Santorum - 974865
Newt - 831045

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2012_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries

Romney had 38% of the vote, more than anyone else. Which is, in fact, a plurality. He also Had a MAJORITY in 2 of the states I listed above, even if you add santorum and newts totals together.

Also romney does not have to worry. Because you will vote for him in november if he is nominated, and everyone knows it. That's the thing you keep failing to understand. You will be assimilated.


We've got a strange situation, the candidate who is getting most of the vote, is not the candidate the majority of the party wants.
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You could say that for anyone in this election.
 
dixie you made up facts which pissed me off above. But i'll give you credit that you haven't really been a douche recently, even though you have been wrong. so I'll turn down my negativeness towards you for the time being and we'll just discuss the pure theory without the mudslinging.

im going to sleep though right now
 
Also it's a bit foolish to assume that santorum would get every single vote from newt.
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I never said he would get "every single vote" but he would have only needed a couple percent of them in Ohio last night.

You have to figure, the moderates candidate is Mitt Romney, and that means most of those who would vote for Newt, would more likely support Santorum than Romney, not all of them, but a substantial majority of them, and that would be enough to make a difference.

But he lost. And he was so unorganized and inept he didn't even reg in the counties most favorable for him.
And he was up by 10-18 points a week ago. So although you are spinning it as a one point loss, it's really that he basically bled out voters left and right.
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Hey, I am not here to praise the amazing job of Team Santorum in this campaign, they are inept all over the place, I know... but still, they narrowly lost to the supposed front-runner in a state they were outspent in 4 to 1.... in spite of the ineptitude! That just serves to make my point more poignant, thank you!

yes, it wont be what it's decided on, which is why it's stupid for him (and a complete waste of time/resources) to bring up issues that are complete losers for the republicans.
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Funny thing this is... Santorum never brought ANY of this up! It was introduced by the media from a speech he gave in 1998. THE MEDIA has been obsessed and focused on this, not Santorum. He is on the campaign trail talking about Obama and repealing Obamacare, getting people back to work, et.al. You're just submerged in MSNBC propaganda to the point you don't even realize when it's being delivered to you.

Also romney does not have to worry. Because you will vote for him in november if he is nominated, and everyone knows it. That's the thing you keep failing to understand. You will be assimilated.
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Again, maybe so! If my choice is Obama or Romney, I will fucking GLADLY cast my vote for Romney. But here's the thing, I think when it comes right down to it, the Romney supporters would support Santorum over Obama, because about 95% of them don't really care that Santorum believes in Jesus, as long as he can fix the economy.
 
Dixie said:
First let me say, Ron Paul is a non-starter as of last night. His only chance to win a state, came and went. Paul is done.

Rick Santorum did much better than the media and pundits would have you believe today. He was tremendously outspent in Ohio, and lost by one point. Had Gingrich not been in the race, Santorum would have won in a cakewalk, and this is the case in many of the races yesterday. Granted, Virginia was a glaring embarrassment for both Gingrich and Santorum, not getting on the ballot...wtf? But if Newt were to bow out, Santorum could pull off the upset... otherwise, Romney will win the GOP nomination.

It will be interesting to see what happens with the 'behind the scenes' stuff in the next week, this is a pivotal point in the GOP primary process, I do believe.
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I tend to agree with pundits on the way this will play out- This is the "what will you give me to pledge my delegates" moment.
 
Dixie said:
You have exposed yourself to be an irrelevant 2%er. Go join the Ron Paul people in the Corner of Irrelevance please.

Independent women and centrist dem women will NEVER vote for Santorum.

Here's the thing... maybe not. But the election is not going to be decided on Women's Issues. It's the ECONOMY STUPID! This idiotic "War on Women" thing, is from the Liberal MSM and Obama sycophants. THE ISSUE in poll after poll, survey after survey, state after state, is the state of the ECONOMY! and THAT will be what decides Election 2012.
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If you want to hand Obama ANOTHER landslide victory, put Santorum against him moron.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
do you remember being pissed off because the Republicans had the White House, the House, and the Senate and they fucked it up by overspending?.......Santorum was one of those who led the fucking up.....
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Yeah? Well, Newt has baggage and so does Mitt, so where does that leave us? We don't have a "perfect" candidate! Do we NEED a "perfect" candidate to beat this idiot? Really? To be honest, I don't care about their backgrounds, at least I am FAMILIAR with what they've done, it's not a COMPLETE mystery, like SOME people I know.

Rune said:
If you want to hand Obama ANOTHER landslide victory, put Santorum against him moron.
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That's what I keep hearing, but here's the thing, we actually need to have an election before you start doing the happy dance. Before that, we need to finish the nominating process. We're certainly not going to base our decision on who you like the best, and the fact you LOVE Santorum so much, doesn't really matter. Whoever we ultimately pick is going to have a field day with your clown because the economy is in the shitter. You're going to throw out your trumped up over-hyped rhetoric, distortions and lies, no matter who we nominate, so what difference does it make?
 
Dixie, you've probably already answered this question multiple times (in this thread even) so I apologize for asking it agaian and I apologize for being lazy and not reading through the thread. If Romney does win the Republican nomination do you think Republican voters in the South would rally around him in the general election or is there enough distrust/dislike that a lot of voters would sit the election out?
 
cawacko said:
Dixie, you've probably already answered this question multiple times (in this thread even) so I apologize for asking it agaian and I apologize for being lazy and not reading through the thread. If Romney does win the Republican nomination do you think Republican voters in the South would rally around him in the general election or is there enough distrust/dislike that a lot of voters would sit the election out?
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I honestly get the feeling it doesn't matter who is nominated, anyone to the right of Karl Marx is going to be voting for Obama's opponent. I do think Santorum supporters would support Romney in the general, but I also think Romney supporters would support Santorum as well, perhaps a little more lukewarm, but against Obama? Yeah! The only people I see sitting this out, would be Ron Paul supporters.

I really think the GOP is making a critical mistake in thinking they need to go "moderate" to grab the "moderate" vote. That's why they nominated McCain last time, and it was a FAILED strategy.
 
I will add this. I can get excited about voting for Santorum. I will vote for Romney over Obama. I would even grudgingly vote for Paul. But I would never vote for Newt.

I am not an example of "voters in the South" but think I am indicative of the voters in my state who are conservative democrats.
 
Dixie said:
I honestly get the feeling it doesn't matter who is nominated, anyone to the right of Karl Marx is going to be voting for Obama's opponent. I do think Santorum supporters would support Romney in the general, but I also think Romney supporters would support Santorum as well, perhaps a little more lukewarm, but against Obama? Yeah! The only people I see sitting this out, would be Ron Paul supporters.

I really think the GOP is making a critical mistake in thinking they need to go "moderate" to grab the "moderate" vote. That's why they nominated McCain last time, and it was a FAILED strategy.
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One issue I see is there seems to be a very big disconnect between what is considered a moderate. Conservatives think Romney is a moderate (and just giving one example from this board) Dungheap thinks Romney is the most conservative candidate since Goldwater. Now obviously people on the left think most/all Republicans are too far to the right so that is not a big suprise. But I have been listening to several non-partisan Independant voices that I feel are trustworthy and they think Romney is going to far to the right during this primary and will have a problem tacking back to the middle for the general. I'm not stating that they are necessarily correct but I see where they are coming from.
 
leaningright said:
I will add this. I can get excited about voting for Santorum. I will vote for Romney over Obama. I would even grudgingly vote for Paul. But I would never vote for Newt.

I am not an example of "voters in the South" but think I am indicative of the voters in my state who are conservative democrats.
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So the conservative democrats in your state are deciding between voting for Romney over Obama, Santorum over Obama, and Paul over Obama?

I got news - they're Republicans.

This brought to you by name it/change it.
 
Darla said:
So the conservative democrats in your state are deciding between voting for Romney over Obama, Santorum over Obama, and Paul over Obama?

I got news - they're Republicans.

This brought to you by name it/change it.
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You have to call 'em as you see 'em...and I understand and respect that. But when it comes to our state politics, if you think I am "over the top" conservative....well, let's just say you ain't seen an Oklahoma republican. Talk about waaayyyy out there to the right. We democrats have been battling them for years...and losing I might add. :(
 
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