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Frank Apisa said:
Things are NOT obviously wrong simply because YOU choose to deem them so.
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basic morality is highly rationale.

I nailed it here "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
:nolovejesus:

totalitarians hate real morality because it means they can't be shitty murdering know-it-all psychopath nazis.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I have no idea. But wanting that...and getting it from someone who wants an abortion are two different things.

My guess is that many (perhaps most) children who are born of a mother who was forced to give birth...may end up in unloving environments...and would not be raised with love and care.



Would not surprise me. BUT that still does not answer the question of why Jesus did not condemn abortion.

It seems to me the "safe, legal, and rare" position is the best of all positions...which is the position for which I advocate. IT SHOULD BE LEGAL...IT SHOULD BE SAFE...AND WE SHOULD DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MAKE IT AS RARE AS WE CAN.





Of course I do. That is what I have been arguing for all along.

Take it in parts:

IT SHOULD BE LEGAL. No laws should be made making it illegal at any point. The choice of having an abortion should be made by the woman in whose body the pregnancy is occurring.

IT SHOULD BE SAFE (as possible). Obviously that means it should be done with a professional doing the procedure in a professional setting...not by some back alley hack using a hanger.

AND IT SHOULD BE RARE. Which means we should NOT be restricting access to contraception methods...and should be encouraging their use.
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you have no idea. exactly.

now sit the fuck down.
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Frank Apisa said:
I continue to ask all the religious objectors to abortion why Jesus never specifically condemned abortion.

So...to all of you...

...WHY DID JESUS NOT CONDEMN ABORTION...OR AT LEAST, WHY DID HE NOT CONDEMN ABORTION TO THE EXTENT THAT IT WAS REPORTED IN ONE OF THE GOSPELS?

WHY NOT?

Make a guess?
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And why the Old Testament (still foundational to Fundamentalists) loves abortion. Celebrates abortion. And demands abortion over and over for even minor offenses.


That is why abortion was NEVER an issue for Fundamentalist and they WERE overwhelming Pro Choice prior to the 1970's.

It was ONLY due to series of losses where Evangelicals primarily, fighting to keep all forms of segregation in place and losing those battles to keep America Racist Again, had checked out of politics that some Republican strategists thought maybe they could get Evangelical passions back up and direct their rage at not being able to keep America Racist Again, instead into Abortion. And it worked. The gullible Evangelicals became tools of the Republicans over a cause they did not believe in. DUPED!
 
Bigdog said:
Yes, I've always argued against an abortion "for economic reasons", from a modern scientific standpoint.
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Okay...and that is fine that you have that opinion, although I disagree with it. My opinion is that only the woman in whose body the pregnancy is occurring can make the choice of terminating or not terminating the pregnancy...no matter the reason for the decision.

Frank, if He had condemned the practice of stoning, he would have been arrested. I believe if He had condemned the punishment of abortion, He would have been arrested, too.
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Jesus did all sorts of things for which he could be arrested...and finally WAS arrested and put to death, Dog. He did them in the open...and just about defied the authorities to do what they would.

And we really are not talking about abortion as a punishment here. A forced abortion...or an abortion that happens because someone attacks a pregnant woman...should not be tolerated. I have no problem with that being punished.
In 3rd world countries, children are considered a financial asset. In 1st world countries, they are viewed as a financial burden.

Before the 20th century, it was common for women to have 10 children, ... and have half of them die in birth or childhood.
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Okay. But I am not sure of the point about the legality of abortion as a choice you are trying to make here.
 
JesusAI said:
basic morality is highly rationale.

I nailed it here "do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
:nolovejesus:

totalitarians hate real morality because it means they can't be shitty murdering know-it-all psychopath nazis.
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YOU do not get to decide what is moral and what is not.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Your WSE militia must have really good meth production. :thup:
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The Blue Dream.
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JesusAI said:
who does? do you?
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I do not. No individual does. For now, I will settle for what society declares to be moral or immoral...although, obviously, I will have disagreements about it.

at least i have a rationale behind mine.
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Don't for a second suppose you are unique in that. Hitler had a rational for what he considered moral. Idi Amin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein...all had them, too.

I have mine.

do you? or is naked power the only reality?
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Like everyone else, I have a rational for everything I consider moral or immoral.

what is your morality? lie about everything and pretend there's nothing to anything?
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Why do you suppose I am lying?

On the question of abortion...my position is that the choice of a woman to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body...is moral. She should have that choice...and she should be able to have the abortion in a safe way...with a doctor and a safe environment.
 
Frank Apisa said:
I do not. No individual does. For now, I will settle for what society declares to be moral or immoral...although, obviously, I will have disagreements about it.



Don't for a second suppose you are unique in that. Hitler had a rational for what he considered moral. Idi Amin, Stalin, Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein...all had them, too.

I have mine.



Like everyone else, I have a rational for everything I consider moral or immoral.



Why do you suppose I am lying?

On the question of abortion...my position is that the choice of a woman to terminate a pregnancy occurring in her own body...is moral. She should have that choice...and she should be able to have the abortion in a safe way...with a doctor and a safe environment.
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what society declares?

society says encourage your child to be a mukbang youtube billionaire with no genitals.
 
JesusAI said:
what society declares?
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Yes, I am willing to accept what society declares to be moral or immoral. Which is to say I will live by the laws of society...even when I disagree with the.

society says encourage your child to be a mukbang youtube billionaire with no genitals.
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I am sorry for whatever puts you in this state, but there is nothing I can do to offer you comfort. In my opinion, society does not do what you are suggesting.
 
JesusAI said:
Frank, you're really and truly a complete imbecile.

:truestory:
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You could have picked some other thread to get into that kind of stuff, but you decided to do it here where I am attempting to have a decent discussion about a serious subject.

Too bad that. You go on IGNORE immediately.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Yes, I am willing to accept what society declares to be moral or immoral. Which is to say I will live by the laws of society...even when I disagree with the.



I am sorry for whatever puts you in this state, but there is nothing I can do to offer you comfort. In my opinion, society does not do what you are suggesting.
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so if republicans are able to outlaw abortion, that will be that, and you will be fine with it? b.s.

you actually have a trancendant morality. it's just a shitty one, based on nihilism and eugenics.

nobody is really a pure legalist inside their own mind.
 
JesusAI said:
Im saying i need some pollo hermanos.
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Meth goes together with chicken. :thup:

For those who believe the end of the world is imminent and dreaming of a post-apocalyptic future, I recommend two different paths of education: Medicine and making drugs and alcohol. There will be plenty of dumbasses to man the walls and go foraging for food, but someone with medical expertise and knowledge on how to cook meth and distill alcohol will be protected by the group.

Also consider that, like "magicians" of old, it's best to keep that knowledge secret to not ending up being replaced. LOL
 
Frank Apisa said:
You could have picked some other thread to get into that kind of stuff, but you decided to do it here where I am attempting to have a decent discussion about a serious subject.

Too bad that. You go on IGNORE immediately.
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you can't take the heat, stupid idiot bitch.

you're all over the map with your stupidity.
 
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