APP - Nothing to prevent fraud by illegals

tinfoil

Banned
http://media.sfexaminer.com/documents/noncitizens.pdf

Great fucking plan


Summary

This report outlines the treatment of noncitizens (aliens) under H.R. 3200, America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009. In particular, the report analyzes specific provisions in H.R. 3200, and whether there are eligibility requirements for noncitizens in the provisions. Within the bill, noncitizens are treated differently in several provisions. In 2008, there were approximately 37.3 million foreign-born persons in the United States. The foreign-born population was comprised of approximately 15.1 million naturalized U.S. citizens and 22.2 million noncitizens. H.R. 3200 includes an individual mandate to have health insurance, with tax penalties for noncompliance. Individuals who do not maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for themselves and their children would be required to pay an additional tax. Some individuals, including nonresident aliens, would be exempt from the individual mandate. fiNonresident alienfl is a term under tax but not immigration law. For federal tax purposes, alien individuals are classified as resident or nonresident aliens. In general, an individual is a nonresident alien unless he or she meets the qualifications under a residency test. Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens (i.e., meet the substantial presence test), would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance. In addition, under H.R. 3200, a fiHealth Insurance Exchangefl would begin operation in 2013 and would offer private plans alongside a public option. The Exchange would provide eligible individuals and small businesses with access to insurers™ plans, including the public option, in a comparable way. Individuals would only be eligible to enroll in an Exchange plan if they were not enrolled in other acceptable coverage (for example, from an employer, Medicare and generally Medicaid). H.R. 3200 does not contain any restrictions on noncitzens participating in the ExchangeŠwhether the noncitizens are legally or illegally present, or in the United States temporarily or permanently. Nonetheless, only aliens who could be classified as resident aliens would be required under the bill to have health insurance. In 2013, under H.R. 3200, some individuals would be eligible for premium credits (i.e., subsidies based on income) toward their required purchase of health insurance. To be eligible for the premium credits under H.R. 3200, individuals must be lawfully present in a state in the United States, excluding most nonimmigrants (i.e., those in the United States for a specific purpose and a specific period of time). The exceptions for nonimmigrants who could obtain premium credits under H.R. 3200 would be trafficking victims, crime victims, fiancées of U.S. citizens, and those who have had applications for legal permanent residence (LPR) status pending for three years. It is expected that almost all aliens in these excepted nonimmigrant categories will become LPRs (i.e., immigrants) and remain in the United States permanently. Furthermore, unauthorized aliens would be barred from receiving the premium credit. H.R. 3200 as reported from the House Energy and Commerce Committee (E&C) would extend Medicaid eligibility up to 133 1/3% of poverty for populations that previously were not covered (e.g., childless adults and many parents). This extension of benefits could mean an increase in the number of noncitizens who already meet the immigration status requirements for Medicaid eligibility who would be eligible for Medicaid. Also, H.R. 3200 as reported by E & C would make eligible for full Medicaid noncitizens who lawfully reside in the United States in accordance with the Compacts of Free Association between the Government of the United States and the Governments of the Federated States of Micronesia, the Republic of the Marshall Islands, and the Republic of Palau, and are otherwise eligible for such assistance. This report will be updated.


addditional link
http://opencrs.com/document/R40773/
 
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Fraud by illegals is not the same as allowing it. Its a point for debate, its not a lie.
 
is hr3200 sponsored by bho

fraud exists regardless of what is proposed

fyi, i think there is insufficient fraud detection for all government programs...especially aerospace or the military industrial complex
HR 3200 is the one that he urged them to vote on before recess, it is the one they've been defending these past months and it is the one that will be voted on in the Congress.

Yeah, I'd say that is support.
 
Fraud by illegals is not the same as allowing it. Its a point for debate, its not a lie.

What? Doesn't even make sense.

I don't have faith that we can police healthcare and prevent fraud especially if there is no language preventing said fraud. In other words, unless it says illegal immigrants will not be elligible for subsidized services, it's pretty obvious they'll be able to get them. Are we planning on having health police at every doctors office or hospital?
 
HR 3200 is the one that he urged them to vote on before recess, it is the one they've been defending these past months and it is the one that will be voted on in the Congress.

Yeah, I'd say that is support.

ok, he supports it, but does it propose coverage for illegals or insufficient fraud detection

there is no exclusion for illegals to buy insurance right now

i expect that illegals could buy insurance via the insurance exchange/co-op
 
What? Doesn't even make sense.

I don't have faith that we can police healthcare and prevent fraud especially if there is no language preventing said fraud. In other words, unless it says illegal immigrants will not be elligible for subsidized services, it's pretty obvious they'll be able to get them. Are we planning on having health police at every doctors office or hospital?

Then that is not fraud.
 
ok, he supports it, but does it propose coverage for illegals or insufficient fraud detection

there is no exclusion for illegals to buy insurance right now

i expect that illegals could buy insurance via the insurance exchange/co-op
It covers "undocumented visitors" and "pregnancy reversal", so yeah. It covers illegal immigrants and abortions.
 
It covers "undocumented visitors" and "pregnancy reversal", so yeah. It covers illegal immigrants and abortions.


Source it, hotshot. I've already provided you a link to the bill. It shouldn't be too tough.

I realize you may be being cute, but there are plenty of people that believe that shit. Show your hand or cut it out.
 
Section 246 of HR320 says, “Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States.”
 
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