Numerous dead at the Navy Shipyard

Damocles said:
When ignorance is deliberate at your level of supreme expertise it becomes a superpower. Do you ever stop and actually think before typing, DeliberateIgnoranceman?

When a guy walks into the hall of some building, how many of them could cross the base and get the weapon that they aren't allowed to carry on the base at all before the guy pulls the gun and starts shooting? When they get back will the guy be there or will he only find unarmed victims?

The reality is, the people on the base are disarmed by law, and those in the military by regulation. They do not have access to their guns.

Even on a military base, when the cops are needed now, they are still minutes away, Zappa.

I'll try to get you to read it again.

They aren't allowed to have guns on the base, because of this, like a school, a base is a great place for a shooter to find victims who cannot fight back. While ignorant people think that they're all running around with rifles ready to shoot everybody the reality is quite different.
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The truth is, on duty Military Police are NOT unarmed and all the guns they carried didn't matter one whit, did they.
 
Damocles said:
For the people in the halls, yes. Did you bother reading the interviews? "He walked in, raised his gun and began shooting."

Nor do you bother paying attention. The cops seem to have been ineffective in finding him. Apparently your solution sucked so bad it collapsed and became a black hole.

More reality for the deliberately ignorant. Even with this guy on the base they still aren't allowed to carry their guns on the base. Exactly none of them could go to the armory and get any personal weapon, and if they weren't assigned one for duty not one of them could get one that belonged to the government.
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Yes, I believe someone as deliberately ignorant as you might be tempted to believe the nonsense in your last paragraph.

But keep it up.

Watching you scramble to concoct one ridiculous excuse after another in order to rationalize the cowardice of all those gun owners when faced with some real danger is making my afternoon.
 
Guns being in the hands of people around the shooter did not help one bit. You cant predict this kind of thing.But there is one thing that would help. Making sure that the mentally ill have the services they need to help treat them. Especially walk in centers for those who suffer from PTSD like the shooter,and other mental illnesses.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
The truth is, on duty Military Police are NOT unarmed and all the guns they carried didn't matter one whit, did they.
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The truth is, on duty Military Police were and are as ineffective as civilian police in preventing crime and being on the scene when necessary. You have gone from "all those concealed weapons they had all over, etc" to saying what I've said from the beginning, the police are not effective in preventing, or even sometimes stopping, this type of crime. The cops show up when there are already dead people to count the bodies and hope to find the bad guy after the fact.
 
wanderingbear said:
Guns being in the hands of people around the shooter did not help one bit. You cant predict this kind of thing.But there is one thing that would help. Making sure that the mentally ill have the services they need to help treat them. Especially walk in centers for those who suffer from PTSD like the shooter,and other mental illnesses.
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He was being treated, wanderingbear.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Yes, I believe someone as deliberately ignorant as you might be tempted to believe the nonsense in your last paragraph.

But keep it up.

Watching you scramble to concoct one ridiculous excuse after another in order to rationalize the cowardice of all those gun owners when faced with some real danger is making my afternoon.
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Only DeliberateIgnoranceman would try to pretend that the truth is somehow "ignorance"... The proper response to such an attack on the base for those who work in the armory is a lockdown, not a handout, of any weapons. The only people who can legally carry are those either on watch (who can't leave their particular post and often aren't allowed any ammunition) or those who are police and on duty who did what all police do, show up after people are dead.

You simply are not allowed to carry your weapon on base, even if you live in base housing you still have to put your personal weapons into the armory until you are leaving for a new duty station. These people were sitting ducks, like kids in a school.
 
wanderingbear said:
Guns being in the hands of people around the shooter did not help one bit. You cant predict this kind of thing.But there is one thing that would help. Making sure that the mentally ill have the services they need to help treat them. Especially walk in centers for those who suffer from PTSD like the shooter,and other mental illnesses.
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And this shooter has quite the background when it comes to mental illness.

On Sept. 5, 2010, he was arrested in Fort Worth on suspicion of discharging a weapon. Alexis reportedly told officials that the gun had discharged accidentally when he was cleaning it. The Tarrant County district attorney did not prosecute.

if the lazy Texas cops had done their job, this guy would never have been able to buy the gun he did just a few weeks ago.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
And this shooter has quite the background when it comes to mental illness.

On Sept. 5, 2010, he was arrested in Fort Worth on suspicion of discharging a weapon. Alexis reportedly told officials that the gun had discharged accidentally when he was cleaning it. The Tarrant County district attorney did not prosecute.

if the lazy Texas cops had done their job, this guy would never have been able to buy the gun he did just a few weeks ago.
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Do you mean the District Attorney? They did their job and brought the case to the DA who probably had too little evidence to convict due to the rather onerous need to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that it wasn't an accidental discharge. It is the DA's decision not to prosecute, not the cops who brought it before him.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Right...and all the military police with all their guns couldn't do a thing to stop this guy...guns REALLY are the answer.

All those weapons and not a one of them did any good in stopping the nutbar.
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Yeah, its all about guns....with all those around, its a wonder those guns didn't just jump out and stop this guy....what the hell were those guns doing ?

Just hanging around like lumps of iron...zaps right, they just didn't do the job...they might as be all melted down and dropped from a mile up

on the next DNC convention gathering where they WILL do some good....

are you getting the point or is the satire a little over your pay grade ?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Was the shooting over in seconds?

8:15 AM-initial reports of shots fired

11:30AM-gunman dead...

3 hours and 15 minutes = a whoooooooooole lotta seconds.

11,700 to be exact.
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Why didn't all those guns rush in the building and get the guy....the guns are responsible for everything aren't they....damn guns....
 
ZappasGuitar said:
The truth is, on duty Military Police are NOT unarmed and all the guns they carried didn't matter one whit, did they.
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Yep....its all those damn guns fault....

Hey zap.....maybe it was Bush's fault, did you think about that.....

Or....Or...Or....maybe the shooter was "standing his ground"....can't you work that in somehow ?
 
Damocles said:
Do you mean the District Attorney? They did their job and brought the case to the DA who probably had too little evidence to convict due to the rather onerous need to prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that it wasn't an accidental discharge. It is the DA's decision not to prosecute, not the cops who brought it before him.
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Funny how you have to explain every little thing to this moron like you would to a child.
 
NOVA said:
Yeah, its all about guns....with all those around, its a wonder those guns didn't just jump out and stop this guy....what the hell were those guns doing ?

Just hanging around like lumps of iron...zaps right, they just didn't do the job...they might as be all melted down and dropped from a mile up

on the next DNC convention gathering where they WILL do some good....

are you getting the point or is the satire a little over your pay grade ?
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So more guns ISN'T the answer...uh huh.

It used to be when you wanted to arm teachers.
 
NOVA said:
Yep....its all those damn guns fault....

Hey zap.....maybe it was Bush's fault, did you think about that.....

Or....Or...Or....maybe the shooter was "standing his ground"....can't you work that in somehow ?
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So very typical of the derisive non-responses so frequently provided by the gun nuts here.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Oh well of course I bet it must take HOURS-maybe even DAYS-to unlock all those storage lockers so everyone could get to their guns.

Do you ever listen to yourself? Do you realize how stupid you sound?
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Doesn't it remind you of the excuse used not to send help to Benghazi, an attack that lasted about 8 hours from the time the US found out about it....
 
ZappasGuitar said:
So more guns ISN'T the answer...uh huh.

It used to be when you wanted to arm teachers.
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No. guns aren't the answer....nor are they the problem......

Now get ready for this....its time for your epiphany..................................................its people, they are the answer and they are the problem, not guns
 
wanderingbear said:
Guns being in the hands of people around the shooter did not help one bit. You cant predict this kind of thing.But there is one thing that would help. Making sure that the mentally ill have the services they need to help treat them. Especially walk in centers for those who suffer from PTSD like the shooter,and other mental illnesses.
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Listening to warnings wouldn't hurt either
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-usa-navy-shooting-20130916,0,7505707.story

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Rhode Island police warned the Navy last month that suspected Washington gunman Aaron Alexis had reported "hearing voices" while on Tuesday the U.S. government said it will review security worldwide at military bases.

More details emerged about the history of misconduct and mental illness of the 34-year-old government contractor with a security clearance who shot dead 12 people at the U.S. Navy Yard on Monday before police killed him in a gun battle.

A Newport, Rhode Island police report said Alexis complained on August 7 about "hearing voices" and of people sending "vibrations to his body" to prevent him from sleeping.

The Newport police report said it warned Navy police after the incident, adding that Naval police said they would "follow up on this subject and determine if he is in fact a naval base contractor."
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