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Secondly, Manafort asked Kilmnik to pass the GOP polling data to Deripaska. Why?
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Firstly, your link is wrong.
Secondly, Manafort asked Kilmnik to pass the GOP polling data to Deripaska. Why?
no evidence of that at all.Because he was also a pipeline to Putin.
He was a pollster for the Ukraine Party of Regions
Kilmnik is Muellers problem - not mineWhy did Manafort share polling data with someone so random? You have never answered that question because of what it means for your entire argument and character on JPP.
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...eport-linked-to-russia-was-a-state-department
The incomplete portrayal of Kilimnik is so important to Mueller’s overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of his report. “The FBI assesses” Kilimnik “to have ties to Russian intelligence,” Mueller’s team wrote on Page 6, putting a sinister light on every contact Kilimnik had with Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman.
What it doesn’t state is that Kilimnik was a “sensitive” intelligence source for State going back to at least 2013 while he was still working for Manafort, according to FBI and State Department memos I reviewed.
Kilimnik was not just any run-of-the-mill source, either.
He interacted with the chief political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, sometimes meeting several times a week to provide information on the Ukraine government. He relayed messages back to Ukraine’s leaders and delivered written reports to U.S. officials via emails that stretched on for thousands of words, the memos show.
The FBI knew all of this, well before the Mueller investigation concluded
ROFL grasping at straws. Why didn't Mueller know Kilmnik was a pipeline to the State Dept?
Key figure that Mueller report linked to Russia was a State Department intel source
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...eport-linked-to-russia-was-a-state-department
Kilmnik worked for Deripaska, who is part of Putin's inner circle, and Manafort specifically requested Kilmnik brief Deripaska with those confidential polls.
Deripaska is connected to the FSB and Russian Intelligence.
no evidence of that at all.
He was a pollster for the Ukraine Party of Regions
Wrong, he was asked by Manafort to give "private briefings" to Deripaska using the polling data Manafort was giving him.
It's all in Manafort's e-mails, bro.
Paul Manafort reportedly offered 'private briefings' to a Putin ally about the Drumpf campaign
https://www.businessinsider.com/pau...gs-on-trump-campaign-russia-putin-ally-2017-9
This just keeps getting worse and worse for you.
Kilmnnik was taking the polling data Manafort gave him, and gave it to Deripaska who is connected to Russian Intelligence.
Why did Manafort insist Kilmnik "privately brief" Deripaska?
no evidence of that at all.
He was a pollster for the Ukraine Party of Regions
Kilmnik is Muellers problem - not mine
https://thehill.com/opinion/white-h...eport-linked-to-russia-was-a-state-department
The incomplete portrayal of Kilimnik is so important to Mueller’s overall narrative that it is raised in the opening of his report. “The FBI assesses” Kilimnik “to have ties to Russian intelligence,” Mueller’s team wrote on Page 6, putting a sinister light on every contact Kilimnik had with Manafort, the former Trump campaign chairman.
What it doesn’t state is that Kilimnik was a “sensitive” intelligence source for State going back to at least 2013 while he was still working for Manafort, according to FBI and State Department memos I reviewed.
Kilimnik was not just any run-of-the-mill source, either.
He interacted with the chief political officer at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, sometimes meeting several times a week to provide information on the Ukraine government. He relayed messages back to Ukraine’s leaders and delivered written reports to U.S. officials via emails that stretched on for thousands of words, the memos show.
The FBI knew all of this, well before the Mueller investigation concluded
Kilmnik was connected to Oleg Deripaska, whom Manafort asked Kilmnik to "privately brief" using campaign data from Manafort.
Why did Manafort ask Kilmnik to share his data with Deripaska?
Kilimnik served as an army translator for Russian military intelligence before he was discharged.Kilmnik worked for Deripaska, who is part of Putin's inner circle, and Manafort specifically requested Kilmnik brief Deripaska with those confidential polls.
Deripaska is connected to the FSB and Russian Intelligence.
No evidence there after -you'd have to cite
Kilimnik served as an army translator for Russian military intelligence before he was discharged. e
Which has nothing to do with Manafort asking him to share the polling data with Deripaska.
Why did Manafort ask Kilmnik to do that?
Kilimnik served as an army translator for Russian military intelligence before he was discharged.
No evidence there after -you'd have to cite
What are you talking about? We know Manafort was passing polling data to Russians because in Manafort's own e-mails, he asks Kilmnik to do exactly that. I'm asking why?
This silliness? and Deripaska is an oligargh. not "connected to Russian INTEL"Wrong, he was asked by Manafort to give "private briefings" to Deripaska using the polling data Manafort was giving him.
It's all in Manafort's e-mails, bro.
Paul Manafort reportedly offered 'private briefings' to a Putin ally about the Drumpf campaign
https://www.businessinsider.com/pau...gs-on-trump-campaign-russia-putin-ally-2017-9
This just keeps getting worse and worse for you.
Kilmnnik was taking the polling data Manafort gave him, and gave it to Deripaska who is connected to Russian Intelligence.
Why did Manafort insist Kilmnik "privately brief" Deripaska?
^ shortly after he was appointed as a campaign strategist."How do we use to get whole?" The Post said Manafort wrote to Kilimnik
was about debts.
Manafort was wiretapped but never charged with collusion, the "private briefings" were supposedly about the Republican platform, and that has been debunked as well.
You seize on this small things like Mueller,but can never, ever show corrupt intent or collusion because
THERE WAS NONE
This silliness? and Deripaska is an oligargh. not "connected to Russian INTEL"
One in the same.
And what does he have to do with the 2016 Presidential election that he got "private briefings" of GOP polling data? Why did he get private briefings at Manafort's request?
shortly after he was appointed as a campaign strategist.
was about debts.
And wouldn't giving Russia GOP polling data to target their Active Measures be payment for those debts? They knew Manafort didn't have the cash, so they got something else of value from him.
So now you're arguing that Manafort shared polling data with Russia because he owed them money?
Manafort was wiretapped but never charged with collusion, the "private briefings" were supposedly about the Republican platform, and that has been debunked as well.
So wait...the private briefings did happen?
And what does Deripaska care about the GOP platform?
He has nothing to do with any of that, right?
So why was he being "privately briefed" about anything related to the campaign?
You seize on this small things like Mueller,but can never, ever show corrupt intent or collusion because
THERE WAS NONE
Why did Manafort have Kilmnik "privately brief" Deripaska about anything related to the campaign?
gross misunderstanding of Russian powerstructureOne in the same.
And what does he have to do with the 2016 Presidential election that he got "private briefings" of GOP polling data? Why did he get private briefings at Manafort's request?[/QUOTE]who knows who cares?
Manafort is a bit player doing his own thing..you strain on this like it's significant -it's not.
But agian Mueller did not know -or ignored- Kilmnik was an important State asset.
Muellers report was slipshod and not worth anything
gross misunderstanding of Russian powerstructure
Then enlighten me of how Russian oligarchs have nothing to do with Putin's regime.
]who knows who cares?
You should know because you're the one defending him here.
Why did he share polling data with Russia?
Why did he share anything with Russia?
Manafort is a bit player doing his own thing..you strain on this like it's significant -it's not.
Doing his own thing as campaign manager for Trump? That is explicitly NOT doing his own thing. That's him doing someone else's thing; specifically, running someone else's campaign.
So why did Manafort request Deripaska be "privately briefed" on anything related to the campaign? What does Deripaska have to do with anything here?
But agian Mueller did not know -or ignored- Kilmnik was an important State asset.
Muellers report was slipshod and not worth anything
OK, WHY was he an important State Department asset? Because of what? Why would the state department give a shit about a guy who you ambiguously tried to explain away with vague "russian power structures"?
Members of the American intelligence community have concluded that members of the Russian intelligence unit offered bounties to Taliban-linked militants if they successfully killed members of the American military, the New York Times reported. The problem, however, is that almost everyone involved in this story says it isn't true. The White House, Russia and even the Taliban have said the Times' story is false.
According to the anonymous source that spoke to the Times, the Russians intending "to destabilize the West or take revenge on turncoats, had covertly offered rewards for successful attacks last year."
The source claimed that President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence were briefed on the situation and the National Security Council discussed it back in March.
Dmitry Peskov, the Press Secretary for Russian President Vladimir Putin, said the country had no diplomatic complaints on record.
“If someone makes them, we’ll respond,” Peskov told the Times.
In the Times' piece, the Taliban's spokesman, Zabihullah Mujahid, said the terrorist organization had no "such relations with any intelligence agency." He labeled the accusation as an attempt to "defame" the group.
“These kinds of deals with the Russian intelligence agency are baseless — our target killings and assassinations were ongoing in years before, and we did it on our own resources,” Mujahid explained. “That changed after our deal with the Americans, and their lives are secure and we don’t attack them.”
The most telling part of the article included absolutely zero details:
The intelligence assessment is said to be based at least in part on interrogations of captured Afghan militants and criminals. The officials did not describe the mechanics of the Russian operation, such as how targets were picked or how money changed hands. It is also not clear whether Russian operatives had deployed inside Afghanistan or met with their Taliban counterparts elsewhere.
this information is based on an anonymous source yet there are no details about how the operation took place, what American troops were targeted, how meetings were conducted or even how the Taliban received their so-called payments. Why are there no details?
the president, he, the vice president and the chief of staff were never briefed about this operation. Trump labeled the story as "fake news"
Director of National Intelligence, John Ratcliffe, said he confirmed that Trump and Pence weren't briefed on the allegations.
Former Acting DNI Director Ric Grenell slammed the attempted spin.
Russian Embassy in the United States also denied the story.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethb...EKX846nL57wPZtXGr3ITRED4PHDY2kwymcpyphINutpLI
More liberal media Fake News. Hopefully the WH sues for defamation.
Basic relation is Putin doesn't interfere with them,as long as they aren't corrupt/Then enlighten me of how Russian oligarchs have nothing to do with Putin's regime.
Of course everything gets jumbled when US sanctions start to hit the oligarchs
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/putin-problem-russian-oligarchs-171223160627724.html
Proximity to Putin, which used to be considered most important for capital growth in the Russian oligarchic
system, is now becoming a considerable risk.
Basic relation is Putin doesn't interfere with them,as long as they aren't corrupt
Of course everything gets jumbled when US sanctions start to hit the oligarchs
So there was something of definite value that Russia wanted from Trump; namely, removing the sanctions.
Proximity to Putin, which used to be considered most important for capital growth in the Russian oligarchic system, is now becoming a considerable risk.
You are going to argue that Russian oligarchs aren't tied to Putin?