"O" for 40! Now that's showing leadership!

[Bonestorm]

I honestly forgot about Johnson, but what about Senators such as Hagel that are now against the war? I would have to look each one up to be sure, but I don't think the 39 have all been straight party line defeats.

You're right. There are a select few Republicans that vote with the Democrats. I was simply responding to your snarky post about the so-called Democratic majority.

But then there is the bigger issue of Republican filibusters of Iraq War bills and amendments, effectively requiring a 60 vote super-majority on most Iraq War legislation.

Look up some of the articles and see what the whip count was on some of these bills. Take the Webb Amendment, it had majority support but not enough to get past a filibuster. Same for many others.

 

[Cancel7]

Talk to your own majority on that one. I was laughing at the claim that it isn't a Democrat Failure because that minority is just too much for us!

I never heard of a fillibuster~! LOL!

I haven't called one Republican and told him to end the fucking war! LOL!

The democrats are going to fall on their faces! That's what matters, LOL!

 

[Damocles]

I never heard of a fillibuster~! LOL!

I haven't called one Republican and told him to end the fucking war! LOL!

The democrats are going to fall on their faces! That's what matters, LOL!

Even Republicans were able to get past the filibuster on occasion. But one out of forty?

That is truly a rather large failure. But heck keep pretending you are trying, it may make people believe you.

 

[Cancel7]

Even Republicans were able to get past the filibuster on occasion. But one out of forty?

That is truly a rather large failure. But heck keep pretending you are trying, it may make people believe you.

What are YOU doing?

Why aren't you pressuring your own party to change course? What is this with shirking responsibility?

 

[Damocles]

What are YOU doing?

Why aren't you pressuring your own party to change course? What is this with shirking responsibility?

I am, I support a man for Congress for the emptying seat for Tancredo that is openly against nation-building and believes we need to get out of Iraq. I also have "pressured" them as much as I can from the beginning based on the fact that police actions always end up being such muck-fests.

What are you doing other than pretending I was laughing at the war and not the idiotic contention that a 40 to 0 record isn't dismal on an issue that was supposed to have swept them into office? Running around with signs? With the kind of support they say they have to end the war they should do whatever it takes not continue to vote on irredeemably impotent bills that won't pass. Stop funding the thing or quit trying to convince me you are "trying soooo hard but those bad, bad men won't let it pass!"

 

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Damo... who is running in place of Tancredo?

 

[Cancel7]

I am, I support a man for Congress for the emptying seat for Tancredo that is openly against nation-building and believes we need to get out of Iraq. I also have "pressured" them as much as I can from the beginning based on the fact that police actions always end up being such muck-fests.

What are you doing other than pretending I was laughing at the war and not the idiotic contention that a 40 to 0 record isn't dismal on an issue that was supposed to have swept them into office? Running around with signs? With the kind of support they say they have to end the war they should do whatever it takes not continue to vote on irredeemably impotent bills that won't pass. Stop funding the thing or quit trying to convince me you are "trying soooo hard but those bad, bad men won't let it pass!"

Who you "support" for congress is kind of irrelevant. What are you doing to pressure your current congressperson and senators to change course in Iraq? I phone, write to, and sometimes, occupy my reps offices.

I am not in Congress, so stop saying "don't fund them" it's stupid and doesn't distract at all from the fact that Republicans started this war and are doing everything they can to make sure no one stops it, and you and war supporter SF find that funny.

 

[Damocles]

Damo... who is running in place of Tancredo?

Mike Coffman. I'm a huge fan. Dude pretty much talks my opinion back to me. Amazing.

 

[Cypress]

Sure try and blame it on the Republicans!

LOL!

SF did you get a load of this? LOL!

If a republican who intitially supported the surge/escalation of the war, but is now against an immoral and useless war, I would think the proper response on this thread would be

Not:

"LMAO! Dems can't pass withdrawl legislation! LOL"

but instead would be:

"Damn, we need to get about 50% of our republican bretheren in congress to support the 90% of Dems who support withdrawl legislation"

 

[uscitizen]

well Lieberman is a minus one for the DEMS on war issues....

 

[Damocles]

Who you "support" for congress is kind of irrelevant. What are you doing to pressure your current congressperson and senators to change course in Iraq? I phone, write to, and sometimes, occupy my reps offices.

I am not in Congress, so stop saying "don't fund them" it's stupid and doesn't distract at all from the fact that Republicans started this war and are doing everything they can to make sure no one stops it, and you and war supporter SF find that funny.

What I find funny is any attempt to pretend that the majority that can't pass a bill they have "soo much support" for isn't a failure because the "big bad minority" is stopping them is funny.

War isn't funny, your attempt to put that on me is simply fallacious and aimed at making me "mad" at you. It isn't going to work because you and I both know that I was laughing at the weak excuses of the Democrats for not ending this thing and not about the war. That is projection from you on what you hope I was feeling, and not based in any reality we live in.

And as I said, if the support is there so strongly then any excuse for a majority to continue it is just an excuse. And a weak see-through one at that.

 

[Cypress]

I honestly forgot about Johnson, but what about Senators such as Hagel that are now against the war? I would have to look each one up to be sure, but I don't think the 39 have all been straight party line defeats.

We need MORE than three or four republicans to help end this war.

Instead of saying "ROTFLAMO! Dems can't end the war!"

we actually need your help to pressure more republicans to support withdrawl legislation.

 

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Mike Coffman. I'm a huge fan. Dude pretty much talks my opinion back to me. Amazing.

thanks. I'll check out his site to learn more about him.

 

[Cancel7]

What I find funny is any attempt to pretend that the majority that can't pass a bill they have "soo much support" for isn't a failure because the "big bad minority" is stopping them is funny.

War isn't funny, your attempt to put that on me is simply fallacious and aimed at making me "mad" at you. It isn't going to work because you and I both know that I was laughing at the weak excuses of the Democrats for not ending this thing.

And as I said, if the support is there so strongly then any excuse for a majority to continue it is just an excuse. And a weak see-through one at that.

I think you need to re-read dungheap's post and stop sqawking "they have a majority, squak" over and over.

You'll do anything to avoid the fact that Republicans started this fucking war and republicans are doing everything they can do to make sure it doesn't end, and some of them, liek Tancredo have had your support.

Stop shirking responsibility.

 

[Damocles]

thanks. I'll check out his site to learn more about him.

He's the current Secretary of State. Marine Reservist officer. When he was State Treasurer he served over a year in Iraq.

 

[Cancel7]

We need MORE than three or four republicans to help end this war.

Instead of saying "ROTFLAMO! Dems can't end the war!"

we actually need your help to pressure more republicans to support withdrawl legislation.

No, they'll sit back and say "dems can't end it, squawk, the dems can't end it squawk" LOL!

Fucking do something about it man. Jesus, this shit really pisses me off.

 

[Damocles]

I think you need to re-read dungheap's post and stop sqawking "they have a majority, squak" over and over.

You'll do anything to avoid the fact that Republicans started this fucking war and republicans are doing everything they can do to make sure it doesn't end, and some of them, liek Tancredo have had your support.

Stop shirking responsibility.

I don't "shirk" that republicans started the war. I see you "shirking" the fact that the Ds were voted in to "end the war" but are unwilling to do what is necessary to do that.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Good background, but not much there yet on the issues. Or at least not that I could find.

 

[Cancel7]

well Lieberman is a minus one for the DEMS on war issues....

liberman schiberman the dems have the majority squawk, the dems have the majority squawk

 

[Cancel7]

I don't "shirk" that republicans started the war. I see you "shirking" the fact that the Ds were voted in to "end the war" but are unwilling to do what is necessary to do that.

They need some republican support. Help them get it instead of sitting around pointing fingers.