"O" for 40! Now that's showing leadership!

Dungheap said:
Damo - You're a clown. To cut funding and abandoning the armed forces in the middle of a conflict is disgraceful, let alone electoral suicide. Yet, you drop the "simply" in there. There something simple around here alright.
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Hence what I stated at the end there....

Thanks for playing.
 
Damocles said:
Hence what I stated at the end there....

Thanks for playing.
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Yeah, yet we have to put up with this constant bullshit about the Ds doing nothing about the war over and over again along with the constant rallying cry the the Dems could end it if the really want to.

You drop these weasel words into your posts to leave yourself an out all the time but you've betrayed your true thoughts on too many occasions for me to take your weaselly backtracking seriously.
 
Dungheap said:
Yeah, yet we have to put up with this constant bullshit about the Ds doing nothing about the war over and over again along with the constant rallying cry the the Dems could end it if the really want to.

You drop these weasel words into your posts to leave yourself an out all the time but you've betrayed your true thoughts on too many occasions for me to take your weaselly backtracking seriously.
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yeah, why take him for what he says when you can infer what you want him to have said.... so much easier that way. A common trait among Dems these days. Must have been a huge grass roots effort to teach "strawmen 101".
 
Dung, we've done this dance before but it's fucking obvious that Democrats don't have the votes to override a Presidential veto, so why not just NOT bring up the funding bill at all?

The Congress has to be the one to bring up the funding bill and pass it. Why doesn't Reid just not bring it up?
 
Superfreak said:
yeah, why take him for what he says when you can infer what you want him to have said.... so much easier that way. A common trait among Dems these days. Must have been a huge grass roots effort to teach "strawmen 101".
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I am taking him at what he says. That's the point. Add it all up and you can only reach one conclusion.
 
Warren said:
Dung, we've done this dance before but it's fucking obvious that Democrats don't have the votes to override a Presidential veto, so why not just NOT bring up the funding bill at all?

The Congress has to be the one to bring up the funding bill and pass it. Why doesn't Reid just not bring it up?
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Because it's grossly irresponsible not to mention electoral suicide?
 
Cypress said:
If a republican who intitially supported the surge/escalation of the war, but is now against an immoral and useless war, I would think the proper response on this thread would be

Not:

"LMAO! Dems can't pass withdrawl legislation! LOL"

but instead would be:

"Damn, we need to get about 50% of our republican bretheren in congress to support the 90% of Dems who support withdrawl legislation"
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No because in this very partisan world the ONLY thing that matters is that the party that is not yours loses. Working to bring home the men and women that are there fighting in YOUR STEAD for a cause that was poorly thought out and even more poorly executed, is not nearly as good as hoping your right wing goosesteppers get their seats back. Who cares that they support the elimination of Habeas Corpus, who cares if now even americans can be held without charges and classified as enemy combatants and NO ONE can come to their aid and help them prove they are not. Matters much less than whether or not the Dems have failed to do what they said they would try to do when they took control of Congress. And if you are a dem and live in a district where your rep or senator votes to continue this goat screw and you support him ONLY to maintain a majority then you are just as guilty. But that doesn't matter. So long as your party either keeps or gets back the control. Let the men and women in uniform bleed somemore, we'll get to them eventually.
 
Socrtease said:
No because in this very partisan world the ONLY thing that matters is that the party that is not yours loses. Working to bring home the men and women that are there fighting in YOUR STEAD for a cause that was poorly thought out and even more poorly executed, is not nearly as good as hoping your right wing goosesteppers get their seats back. Who cares that they support the elimination of Habeas Corpus, who cares if now even americans can be held without charges and classified as enemy combatants and NO ONE can come to their aid and help them prove they are not. Matters much less than whether or not the Dems have failed to do what they said they would try to do when they took control of Congress. And if you are a dem and live in a district where your rep or senator votes to continue this goat screw and you support him ONLY to maintain a majority then you are just as guilty. But that doesn't matter. So long as your party either keeps or gets back the control. Let the men and women in uniform bleed somemore, we'll get to them eventually.
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Please explain what you want the Democrats to do.
 
No Dems piping up? Where are you kids anyway?

You should be ashamed defending your faux-anti-war party, more interested in political convenience and electoral victory than doing what is right.
 
I guess this is why the Libertarian Party has never fared well nationally.

We're too interested in things like "principles", and not focused enough on the issues that really matter like not appearing weak on national defense and avoiding electoral suicide.
 
Principles...what principles?

Warren said:
I guess this is why the Libertarian Party has never fared well nationally.

We're too interested in things like "principles", and not focused enough on the issues that really matter like not appearing weak on national defense and avoiding electoral suicide.
Ya know what warren...'Willie Wanka'...this made no sense whatsoever...never mind ya just want to play with Mary Jane...we get it already!:pke:
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Dungheap said:
Please explain what you want the Democrats to do.
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I want the Dems to get on the same page of music and put an end to this goat screw. They do have a majority. They can kill in committee EVERY funding bill that comes along. But then the Repubs would say "they don't support the troops cause they don't fund them when the president keeps them somewhere." But You have to understand Dung, I was ranting against the sort of attitude that Damo has that it is FUNNY that there is so much gridlock and while the righting wingers and Dems like Liebermad (no that was not mis-spelled) hold up legislation that would put a date certain on bringing the troops home or requiring that the Iraqi government meet some milestones for continued troop presence, American troops continue to not only die but to become maimed for life in this farce of a war that was never declared as the constitution requires.
 
Hummm.............

Socrtease said:
I want the Dems to get on the same page of music and put an end to this goat screw. They do have a majority. They can kill in committee EVERY funding bill that comes along. But then the Repubs would say "they don't support the troops cause they don't fund them when the president keeps them somewhere." But You have to understand Dung, I was ranting against the sort of attitude that Damo has that it is FUNNY that there is so much gridlock and while the righting wingers and Dems like Liebermad (no that was not mis-spelled) hold up legislation that would put a date certain on bringing the troops home or requiring that the Iraqi government meet some milestones for continued troop presence, American troops continue to not only die but to become maimed for life in this farce of a war that was never declared as the constitution requires.
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Ya know what I may agree just a little with you soco on this(ME troops serve way too much time on front lines...VN a 12month tour...anything else was voluntary)...I agree we should bring the troops home now...we already kicked ass...however...Iran is on the horizon...I say hit those pesky nuc plants..really hard...if they hit Israel then let the war begin!
 
Socrtease said:
I want the Dems to get on the same page of music and put an end to this goat screw. They do have a majority. They can kill in committee EVERY funding bill that comes along. But then the Repubs would say "they don't support the troops cause they don't fund them when the president keeps them somewhere." But You have to understand Dung, I was ranting against the sort of attitude that Damo has that it is FUNNY that there is so much gridlock and while the righting wingers and Dems like Liebermad (no that was not mis-spelled) hold up legislation that would put a date certain on bringing the troops home or requiring that the Iraqi government meet some milestones for continued troop presence, American troops continue to not only die but to become maimed for life in this farce of a war that was never declared as the constitution requires.
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How does cutting off funding while there are troops deployed protect the troops? I don't get it.

Please understand that I am by no means pleased with the performance of the Democrats on the war issue and I think it needs to be ended as soon as practicable. I just don't think that simply cutting off funds is a realistic or responsible way to end the war.
 
You are sooo correct...........

Dungheap said:
How does cutting off funding while there are troops deployed protect the troops? I don't get it.

Please understand that I am by no means pleased with the performance of the Democrats on the war issue and I think it needs to be ended as soon as practicable. I just don't think that simply cutting off funds is a realistic or responsible way to end the war.
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Who the hell will buy their tickets home...maybe Hillary or Obama...or Edwards...or hell even maybe toppy...he brags about all his money and such...then again so does USC!...Dunno...a catch 22 or something!
 
Dungheap said:
Yeah, yet we have to put up with this constant bullshit about the Ds doing nothing about the war over and over again along with the constant rallying cry the the Dems could end it if the really want to.

You drop these weasel words into your posts to leave yourself an out all the time but you've betrayed your true thoughts on too many occasions for me to take your weaselly backtracking seriously.
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I seriously don't think you have been around here long enough to make such a judgment of me. While you may have some mental image of me based on memories of the past, it isn't very accurate to pretend you have some real-time knowledge of me in this way.

As I said, I will no longer "suggest", even in jest, this action in the future. I wouldn't support it, and don't think it would be any good for the nation even if it caused the Ds to lose their majority.

I did notice the Ds saying that Bush will not get funding for the war until he agrees to bring troops home. It appears as if we may see what this would do, although I think it would be a horrific mistake for the troops, and in the long run for the nation.
 
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