Obama says Police acted stupidly!

Taichiliberal said:
Sometimes, like Nixon and Slick Willy. But IMHO, there was nothing for Obama to apologize about....but I understand that as the President, he should have toned his words.
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If you ever are President and start a statement with either of the two lines he started with let alone with both...

"This is a pal and I may be biased"

or

"I don't have all the information"

Your next line should be:

"So I will not comment further on this topic at this time."

Or you may be acting a bit "stupidly."
 
Damocles said:
If you ever are President and start a statement with either of the two lines he started with let alone with both...

"This is a pal and I may be biased"

or

"I don't have all the information"

Your next line should be:

"So I will not comment further on this topic at this time."

Or you may be acting a bit "stupidly."
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I actually would agree with you..

but I think his idea of having them both down to the white house for a beer is a good one, don't you?
 
Damocles said:
If you ever are President and start a statement with either of the two lines he started with let alone with both...

"This is a pal and I may be biased"

or

"I don't have all the information"

Your next line should be:

"So I will not comment further on this topic at this time."

Or you may be acting a bit "stupidly."
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Damo, you leave out a lot of things the President said...and when all is said and done, he was ON TARGET. The charges were absurd, and Gates SHOULD NOT have been arrested since the MAIN REASON for the cops being there was to investigate whether or not criminals were breaking into the house. Crowley's actions were "stupid"....and next time Obama find a nicer way of pointing that out.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Damo, you leave out a lot of things the President said...and when all is said and done, he was ON TARGET. The charges were absurd, and Gates SHOULD NOT have been arrested since the MAIN REASON for the cops being there was to investigate whether or not criminals were breaking into the house. Crowley's actions were "stupid"....and next time Obama find a nicer way of pointing that out.
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I doubt that, I think next time he'll follow my advice, which is very likely to be the advice of cooler heads around him as well as the fact that in the past he followed it, consistently.

And no he was not on target, this was not based on racial profiling, it was based on a 911 call. The cops didn't rush on over because he was black, they went there because somebody called the police.
 
Damocles said:
If you ever are President and start a statement with either of the two lines he started with let alone with both...

"This is a pal and I may be biased"

or

"I don't have all the information"

Your next line should be:

"So I will not comment further on this topic at this time."

Or you may be acting a bit "stupidly."
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He even could have pushed it further by saying... "If Mr. Gates was treated differently because of his race, that would have been acting stupidly by the police." Just that little word "if" would have made all the difference in the world to me.

I am glad Obama said he regreted what he said. I wish he had publicly apologised.
 
Jarod said:
He even could have pushed it further by saying... "If Mr. Gates was treated differently because of his race, that would have been acting stupidly by the police." Just that little word "if" would have made all the difference in the world to me.

I am glad Obama said he regreted what he said. I wish he had publicly apologised.
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Yeah, one "if" can make a load of difference.
 
maineman said:
I actually would agree with you..

but I think his idea of having them both down to the white house for a beer is a good one, don't you?
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Its a long drive just to listen to them to make piss poor excuses then them tell them both to pound sand, but hey if they're paying the tab, why not? *shrug*
 
Damocles said:
I doubt that, I think next time he'll follow my advice, which is very likely to be the advice of cooler heads around him as well as the fact that in the past he followed it, consistently.

And no he was not on target, this was not based on racial profiling, it was based on a 911 call. The cops didn't rush on over because he was black, they went there because somebody called the police.
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The cops responded to a 911 call...no problem. The NANO-SECOND Gates was confirmed as a resident and owner of the house, Crowley should have walked. Gates could have been wearing a clown suit and and giving raspberries.....the cops had no case. Being a beligerant ass in your own home is no grounds for arrest. Leave. But Gates got under Crowley's skin...and it's a his word against mine situation, resulting in an arrest that was dropped in less than 5 hours.
 
Taichiliberal said:
The cops responded to a 911 call...no problem. The NANO-SECOND Gates was confirmed as a resident and owner of the house, Crowley should have walked. Gates could have been wearing a clown suit and and giving raspberries.....the cops had no case. Being a beligerant ass in your own home is no grounds for arrest. Leave. But Gates got under Crowley's skin...and it's a his word against mine situation, resulting in an arrest that was dropped in less than 5 hours.
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Gates elevated his racist attack against Crowley outside attracting the attention of passers by. In order to instill authority of the police in the eyes of the public he did the right thing and arrested the perpetrator of the Hate Crime. *shrug*
 
Southern Man said:
Gates elevated his racist attack (calling Crowley a racist is in and of itself racist? Man, the convoluted logic you Confederate flag waving clowns use is astounding sometimes). against Crowley outside attracting the attention of passers by. Really? Where these people in front of the house because of the cop cars...BEFORE Crowley kept asking Gates to step outside to clear up a few things? I mean, if there were witnesses to back up Crowley, then why drop the charges? In order to instill authority of the police in the eyes of the public he did the right thing and arrested the perpetrator of the Hate Crime. *shrug*
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And of course, you can produce the sentence in the police report that says that Gates was so out of control that was inciting a riot in the "crowd"? That is what you are implying, isn't it Southie? Or are you just (once again) putting forth your usual supposition and conjecture as fact. Of course, since the charges were dropped, then Gates actions weren't as dire as you portray.

Once again Southie, you've shrugged off another example of your proud, stubborn ignorance.
 
Southern Man said:
Gates elevated his racist attack against Crowley outside attracting the attention of passers by. In order to instill authority of the police in the eyes of the public he did the right thing and arrested the perpetrator of the Hate Crime. *shrug*
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Crowley was finished there and was leaving. Gates followed him outside and started screaming at him with racist remarks. Gates got what he deserved
 
TuTu Monroe said:
Crowley was finished there and was leaving. Gates followed him outside and started screaming at him with racist remarks. Gates got what he deserved
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When will Crowley get what he deserves, when will you get what you deserve?

When do we all get what we deserve?


How deep is the ocean?
 
Taichiliberal said:
And of course, you can produce the sentence in the police report that says that Gates was so out of control that was inciting a riot in the "crowd"? That is what you are implying, isn't it Southie? Or are you just (once again) putting forth your usual supposition and conjecture as fact. Of course, since the charges were dropped, then Gates actions weren't as dire as you portray.

Once again Southie, you've shrugged off another example of your proud, stubborn ignorance.
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Straw man. My post clearly said that Crowley was attempting to "instill authority of the police" not that Gates, the perpetrator of the Hate Crime, "was inciting a riot in the "crowd" ".

The charges were dropped because the desired effect was achieved; the authority of the officer was demonstrated. *shrug*
 
maineman said:
I actually would agree with you..

but I think his idea of having them both down to the white house for a beer is a good one, don't you?
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I also think it would be a good idea to nominate me for a federal bench seat, don't you? :rolleyes:

seriously, i'm not sure why he's doing that part. he's pissed off alot of police agencies because of his characterization (like that matters to me) but inviting the sgt he maligned over for a beer is ridiculous. Whats worse, is that there are the Obama apologists who are going to consider this his singular effort at fixing the institutionalized racism in this country and that just isn't gonna happen because of a beer at the white house.
 
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I see now he has invited Crowley and Gates to the white house for a beer, lol , can you say damage control

Personally I had hoped Crowley would of told him he wasn't ready at this time or just plain refused the offer
 
Southern Man said:
Straw man. Stop projecting, grow up and answer a simple question. If you can't, then your BS hasn't a leg to stand on. My post clearly said that Crowley was attempting to "instill authority of the police" not that Gates, the perpetrator of the Hate Crime, "was inciting a riot in the "crowd" ".

I've told you time and again, you can't try to change the context of your post every time you can't defend against a logically deconstruction of your bullshit. If there was NO threat of a crowd getting out of hand, what in the hell would Crowley have to "instill authority" for? Gates was the house owner and resident.....no crime committed. Unless Gates was screaming like a wild man OUTSIDE his house, Crowley had no cause to arrest him for "disorderly conduct". No "witnesses" confirm any disorderly conduct or disturbance of the peace...beyond a bunch of cops showing up and milling about waiting for Gates and Crowley to come out.

The charges were dropped because the desired effect was achieved; the authority of the officer was demonstrated. *shrug*
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Amazing how you create these little fantasies of yours and then try to pass them off as a logical conclusion or bonafide fact to everyone else. But just in case your meds kick in, here's a little gander as to how Crowley's credibility is standing:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/gates.arrest/index.html
 
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Taichiliberal said:
Amazing how you create these little fantasies of yours and then try to pass them off as a logical conclusion or bonafide fact to everyone else. But just in case your meds kick in, here's a little gander as to how Crowley's credibility is standing:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/gates.arrest/index.html
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Gates was arrested for being disorderly, as he clearly was. It is necessary to arrest a perpetrator to instill the authority of the police, regardless of his skin color. In this case, the perp was committing a hate crime by being racist as well.

With regards to the Whalen issue, according to Crowley's report, the woman identified herself as Lucia Whalen. Its not up to him to verify that by checking her ID. Worst case, Crowley may have been confused about this minor point; she had a phone with her and said that she had called 911. Regardless, this issue has nothing to do with the charge against Gates and for you to bring it up means that you are deflecting and perpetrating an ad hom against Crowley. *shrug*
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
Amazing how you create these little fantasies of yours and then try to pass them off as a logical conclusion or bonafide fact to everyone else. But just in case your meds kick in, here's a little gander as to how Crowley's credibility is standing:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/27/gat...est/index.html
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Southern Man said:
Gates was arrested for being disorderly, as he clearly was. Says who, mastermind? Crowley? He's already been caught in one lie by the woman who phoned in the original 911. And again, if his arrest was justified, then why drop the charges after a quick review in less than 5 hours? You can repeat this until doomsday, but until there is either an IA investigation or a lawsuit, the "official" report will remain dubious in nature, given the chronology and facts involved. It is necessary to arrest a perpetrator to instill the authority of the police, regardless of his skin color. In this case, the perp was committing a hate crime by being racist as well. You're repeating yourself, bunky. I've already logically deconstructed this BS of your in the previous post. But like the good little neocon parrot you are, you just keep squawking the only line you know....being either incapable or unwilling to process any other information or actually engage the cognitive reasoning skills that God gave you.

With regards to the Whalen issue, according to Crowley's report, the woman identified herself as Lucia Whalen. Its not up to him to verify that by checking her ID. Worst case, Crowley may have been confused about this minor point; she had a phone with her and said that she had called 911. Regardless, this issue has nothing to do with the charge against Gates and for you to bring it up means that you are deflecting and perpetrating an ad hom against Crowley. *shrug*
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And what in the hell does all the drivel you just posted have to do with the CONTENT of her 911 call, WHICH CLEARLY CONTRADICTS WHAT CROWLEY STATED HE WAS ACTING ON? Once again, you use pure conjecture to try to avoid dealing with a FACT that demonstrates the lack of credibility of Crowley's version of this particular story. Damn Southie, go back to school and learn that your supposition, conjecture and opinion are NO SUBSTITUTION FOR FACTS AND THE LOGIC DERIVED FROM THEM. You've got nothing, as usual.
 
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