Obama shakes hands with Raul Castro at Mandela's memorial service

I saw TD's post thru your comment and he wrote "what would be the logic in normalizing relations with a brutal repressive Communist dictatorship?"

We "normalized" relations with Vietnam, it's still a dictatorship and we haven't been hurt by that action.

It was foolish to do so with Vietnam, thanks Bill Clinton, just as it would be to do so for Cuba. But then, since when did dimwits on the left comprehend the stupidity of incongruent political policy and our enemies’ complete disregard for our warnings.

When you "normalize" relations with brutal regimes and claim you are the guardian of freedom; no one takes you seriously any longer. Exhibit "A"; Egypt. Exhibit "B" Libya. Exhibit "C" Syria. Exhibit "D" Afghanistan. Exhibit "E" Iraq. Exhibit "F" Iran.

Carry on; thinking has never been your forte' which is why you support lying idiots like Clinton and Obama.
 
He is talking out of his rear end, the USA has dealt with brutal dictatorships on the right and left over the years.

Wrong dimwit; it is you and the cabal of brain dead leftists infesting the forum with your naiveté' talking out of your buttholes with your clueless ramblings about vindictiveness.
 
Like there is any possible comparison between the two?

Should we embargo Saudi Arabia and China too, two regimes with far worse human rights records than Cuba? I'll see you in the unemployment line, if your doctrine is followed non-hypocritcally.

I am curious how Saudi Arabia constantly gets included with Communist regimes. How is that? The Government spends inordinate amounts of money ensuring that all their citizens never have to work very hard which is why they import all their hard labor.

Any Saudi national can leave anytime they want. They are not imprisoned.

The standard of living in Saudi supersedes that of most Western leftist Socialist nations.

As for China, that was geopolitical in nature; nothing close to what we have with Cuba. So why MUST the US lift its sanctions on this brutal Communist regime other than the "because you say so" meme we are hearing from leftist dimwits?
 
There's not mass murder going on. For the average person, life goes on, much like in China. It's not ideal, but let's not exaggerate the reality of the situation. The continuing lack of diplomatic relations and el bloqueo of Cuba in the modern age, 25 years after the end of the Cold War, becomes increasingly surreal and idiotic with time. The fact that it was ever blockaded at all, IMO, is stupid.

...because you say so; yet with all the hyperbole and buffoon like rhetoric, not one good reason why it is incumbent on the US to normalize relations with a brutal Communist regime that has no issues making moronic fabricated claims about US hegemony.

So please oh sage and wise leftist, why is it so important to lift these sanctions; other than the moronic and ludicrous argument that we did it before?
 
Also, let's not pretend that if Cuba had held elections in 1960, the United States wouldn't have rigged them. It's rigged the elections of numerous regimes in Latin America over the years to it's political benefit.

Ah yes, let's pretend that your hyperbole and hypothetic nonsense is reality as well.

I am amused by the leftist meme that the US is bad influence in the region trying to rig elections while Marxist terrorist elements, drug lords and the former Communist block was merely trying to help the people.

I am amused by the myopic and dopey arguments from historically challenged idiots like you who wish to pretend that the Communists were not funding Marxist elements and trying to overthrow South American Governments to institute their special brand of Marxist brutality in the region and it was only the US who attempted to overthrow "legitimate" elected Governments and dictators.

You're brand of stupid can only be bought by the uninformed and ignorant.

The lack of democracy in Cuba is an act of self-defense imposed on the Cuban people by American interference and imperialism.

This sentence here epitomizes the special brand of clueless ignorance you bring to the debate. It is painfully obvious your historic knowledge of the region is limited by your Marxist ideology and complete lack of facts, reality and truth.

I am amused by the philosophy that supplanting a free market right wing dictator with a brutal repressive Communist regime is better.

Guess who supported Batista? Yes that is right, LABOR Unions. Unfortunately for most Cubans, if they only knew then what they know now, they would have never supported a brutal lying Communist thug like Castro.

Bottom line, if you are going to pretend that Communist Russia was not supporting Cuba and Castro in an effort to supplant Democracy and capitalism in the continent, you’re a bigger fool and dullard than I thought you were. Or perhaps you are a Marxist ideologue who still pretends that Communism is not a failed, brutal, repressive ideology.
 
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Bush can hold hands with King Abdullah, but Obama can't do a simple handshake, a common courtesy, with Raul Castro?

Really? Is that what this thread was all about? Fascinating in that it was started by a European who leans left.

But you're a dimwit; comprehension is not your forte'. Parroting dimwitted Marxist meme's apparently is.
 
China, Vietnam, Saudi Arabia - there are plenty of countries more repressive than Cuba that aren't on our singular shitlist. Cuba was really the least bad of the Communist regimes, up there with Tito's Yugoslavia. You must realize that we are going to have to do diplomacy with regimes that do not share our cultural traditions and values, and not impose our ways on others through coercive means like embargoes, which artificially prevent our citizens from trading from theirs under penalty of law, and affront to freedom. Why do you seek to compel their people to rebel? Their people will rebel in their own time, under their own choosing. It is not America's right to force them to do so.

Really, America has the most prisoners in the world, 716 per capita vs. Cuba's 510 per capita. Cuba has also practically abolished the death penalty, having not executed anyone for the past 10 years, while the US remains a black stain on the American continents, brutally and sadistically killing 43 of it's own citizens in the last year alone, the only source of executions in that year for the entire western hemisphere. IMO, America is a more brutal and oppressive regime than Cuba. Let's worry about our own black human rights records, and not focus on the crimes of others.

There you have it; an uninformed leftist tirade containing just about every leftist Marxist meme in the book. Bravo for you; and yet you still cannot answer the simplest of questions without wandering off the reservation; why is it so important to you that America lift its sanctions? Other nations still allow tourism and trade; why is it that AmeriKa must unilaterally end its embargo?

Here's a clue for all you clueless anti-America Marxist dimwits whom your tiny historically confused minds can't seem to get around to; the embargos could end tomorrow if this brutal repressive one party Communist regime ended its hegemony and allowed Democratic reform tomorrow.

But alas, you're so caught up in your anti-America bullshit hyperbole and rhetoric, the obvious escapes you.

There is never a good reason to prop up and support brutal one party regimes that seek to spread their anti-Democratic brand of Marxism.
 
Surely it was a brilliant strategy. But I am not the one sitting on a high horse. I am not advocating an embargo on China, I am asking about your sanctimonious and hypocritical advocacy of an embargo on Cuba while not extending said policy to a regime that's worse morally.

And I am asking about your sanctimonious and hypocritical advocacy of unilaterally lifting an embargo on a brutal repressive Communist regime.

You can't seem to grasp the simple fact that the only reason it still exists is that the Castro dictatorial regime refuses to relinquish its brutal repressive control over the Cuban people that have impoverished them under Communist rule and have elections.

You're so caught up in your Marxist meme that you cannot see the forest for the trees.

Now tell me again a really good reason Western nations should support and prop up brutal repressive Communist regimes again; I seem to have missed it in virtually all your answers?
 
Cuban emigres are, by definition, people who had problems with the Cuban regime, and are disproportionately right wing and religious compared to the Cuban people at large. They cannot be taken as a representative sample, and it's sad to see them hold a stranglehold on US foreign policy just because they're located in a swing state.

Do you think the repressed Cubans living in under a brutal repressive Communist regime are better representatives?

What is sad is your advocacy for supporting this brutal repressive regime and inability to provide one logical answer other than the typical leftist Marxist meme, of why the US should be the one to lift sanctions when this repressive regime could end them tomorrow by relinquishing their repressive brutal hold on Cubans by having elections tomorrow; why is that?
 
Big government republican dimwits and there waist guarding tiny Cuba!
White trash morons

Other than trolling yet another thread with your banal ignorance and incessant “groans”; is there a good reason the US should unilaterally end sanctions rather than this brutal repressive regime adhering to Democratic principles which would end them tomorrow? Or is this just more of your tireless attempts to remove all doubt what a small brained dimwit you really are?
 
Other than trolling yet another thread with your banal ignorance and incessant “groans”; is there a good reason the US should unilaterally end sanctions rather than this brutal repressive regime adhering to Democratic principles which would end them tomorrow? Or is this just more of your tireless attempts to remove all doubt what a small brained dimwit you really are?

Best you look in the mirror.
Newt Gingrich shook hands with Yasser Arafat
Nixon shook hands with Mao Zedong
Reagan shook hands with Mikhail Gorbachev
Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam Hussein
John McCain shook hands with Gaddafi
Pope John Paul II shook hands with Fidel Castro
 
The biggest joke is that the US stated they don't do business with communists(Cuba), then turn around and do business with every other communist nation, (except North Korea). That excuse is just as bad as the 4 excuses GWB used to invade Iraq, which all turned out to be FALSE. The one that stuck unbelievably is that Saddam was against "freedom".LOL What a naïve public!!
 
Other than trolling yet another thread with your banal ignorance and incessant “groans”; is there a good reason the US should unilaterally end sanctions rather than this brutal repressive regime adhering to Democratic principles which would end them tomorrow? Or is this just more of your tireless attempts to remove all doubt what a small brained dimwit you really are?

The US didn't seem to have a problem dealing with the Batista regime which was pretty damn brutal and repressive, but then I don't suppose that is the same thing to you. I guess you like kleptocracies run for the benefit of the Mafia.
 
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Best you look in the mirror.
Newt Gingrich shook hands with Yasser Arafat
Nixon shook hands with Mao Zedong
Reagan shook hands with Mikhail Gorbachev
Rumsfeld shook hands with Saddam Hussein
John McCain shook hands with Gaddafi
Pope John Paul II shook hands with Fidel Castro

Is there a point to this brain dead prattle?
 
The US didn't seem to have problem dealing with the Batista regime which was pretty damn brutal and repressive,

Do you have anything more than hyperbole and uninformed opinion to support your claims? I am quite certain America has issues with dealing with any repressive regime; but alas, Batista wasn't repressive. He didn't prevent citizens from traveling or pursuing jobs or starting companies.

He took over in a coup for sure; but what was unusual about that in this part of the world. Castro took over in a bloody revolution, assassinated his opponents and repressed his citizens, yet you seem to have more issues with Batista who strongly supported by Trade Unions and allowed free movement and capitalism; why is that?

but then I don't suppose that is the same thing to you. I guess you like kleptocracies run for the benefit of the Mafia.

Another moronic claim from someone inclined to engage in ignorant ramblings while deflecting from the questions he has been asked.

Why do you think it is incumbent for America to unilaterally end their embargo rather than the brutal Communist dictators ending their repressive one party rule and allowing for Democratic reforms?
 
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