And this is supposed to mean what dimwit?
Obama shakes hands with Raul Castro at Mandela's memorial service
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And this is supposed to mean what dimwit?
It is the dictatorship that is harming the Cuban people you moron.
Are you totally missing the significance of it being Mandela's memorial? One of the most recalled stories and a pivotal point in Nelson Mandela's presidency was when he wore the jersey of the Champion Soccer Team that was hated by many of SA's Black population and shook the captains hand. It is not a coincidence that President Obama chose Nelson Mandela's service to shake the hand of a historic cold war American rival.
And the sanctions are not harming the dictatorship.
In other words, another false naked partisan political agenda used to falsely portray political opponents as extremists; you dimwits on the left just can’t help yourselves.
I guess if your ideology wasn’t such a profound failure, such repulsive tactics would be unnecessary.
I am amused that the Americans need to see the humanity of the Cuban people and not the brutal repressive regime that imprisons them on their own island.
What advantage would the American people see?
In other words, more false naked partisan political agendas used to falsely portray political opponents as extremists; you dimwits on the left just can’t help yourselves.
I guess if your ideology wasn’t such a profound failure, such repulsive tactics would be unnecessary.
Some inconvenient facts for clueless leftist Marxists:
More than one million Cubans of all social classes have left the island to the United States,[1][2] and to Spain, Italy, Mexico, Canada, Sweden, and other countries.
One report estimates that one out of every 20 Cubans being smuggled to the U.S. dies in the attempt. While countless lives have been lost at sea over the years in the Florida Straits, the new journey through Mexico presents even more risks. –
http://www.havanatimes.org/?p=24150#sthash.cLY54648.dpuf
That would mean that of the million who have left Cuba, approximately 50,000 perished.
“You cannot imagine the risks Cubans are ready to take to set foot on US soil”
Living condiitons in Cuba are very bad, and many Cubans see the United States as a land of opportunity. The hardest part, for us, is not being seen by US coast guards. Once in America, we're saved."
http://observers.france24.com/conte...sk-lives-set-foot-us-soil-america-immigration
The dictatorship is harming the Cuban people, not the sanctions. Cubans can import and trade with any other nation dimwit.
Once again deflector:
How does not trading with America harm Cuban trade? Cuba is a very small nation with limited exports; are you arguing that they cannot find other markets that will buy their exports?
Are you also claiming that America is the only country Cuba can import from? If so why?
Do you comprehend that if the brutal and repressive Communist regime ended their dictatorship and allowed Democratic reforms these sanctions would end tomorrow?
cancel2 2022
Canceled
He is from Wales.
cancel2 2022
Canceled
Are you Hispanic?
And doesn't see TD's posts, alas. He, TD, is from Hell. He was chucked out as too extreme.
Yes, Batista was no saint; that has been historically established. But how does this square with your false rhetoric about America not having a problem with Batista?
How does this answer my questions? Oh that's right, it doesn't and you would rather pontificate on the obvious, fabricate strawmen and deflect from the painful reality that the ONLY reason sanctions remain is due to the intransigence of a repressive brutal Communist dictatorship. America has NOTHING to gain by propping up another despotic Communist state any more than it does with North Korea, China or Communist Vietnam.
The ONLY reason we ever established relations with China was to offset the hegemony of the Soviet Union’s Communist expansionism.
If we ended relations with China tomorrow, China would be the nation devastated not the US. We keep these relations because as a vast nation with a huge military and vast nuclear arsenal, it makes more sense to work with them and keep them dependent on our consumers and our dollars.
Yes, Castro was infinitely worse than Batista as attested by the million refugees trying to escape Cuba even at the risk of death and probable 50,000 who died trying. During Batista's reign, they didn't need to flee an Island prison via raft.
Economically, the Cubans were infinitely better off under Batista; that is undeniable fact.
I am amused by the claim that Communism is merely a difference of ideology. But yes, if you must trivialize the FACT that Communism in Cuba is repressive, brutal and created a vast poverty millions attempted to escape at great risk to their lives in order to make your woefully inept arguments, by all means; go for it.
In addition you must also trivialize and ignore the fact that the Cuban regime, funded by Soviet Russia, attempted to export their Communism to neighboring nations using force.
I think your main problem, as with many other leftists, is your inability to develop a coherent argument as to why it is in America's interest to prop up a brutal Communist regime.
So I will ask again; what does America have to gain by propping up a brutal and repressive Communist regime through the removal of sanctions, other than further erode what little credibility we have left defending Democracy and Democratic reforms globally?
No; is that relevant to the debate?
christiefan915
Catalyst
House of Bush, House of Saud by Craig Unger. Very informative with lots of detail. Some of these people should read it.
cancel2 2022
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You call it propping up, I call it opening up. Cuba has already changed tremendously in the last few years and will change much more in years to come. There is absolutely no reason to prevent that process other than boneheaded ideology. If we had followed you logic the Iron Curtain would still be up.
signalmankenneth
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Well, you would be wrong. It would prop up this regime which needs to be ousted. Nothing will "open" up as long as despots cling to political power.
How so?
Really? How did we "open" up trade with the Soviet Union that caused its collapse?
Contrary to how Reagan dealt with Russia, which was not through compromise, China's brutal repression can continue because we "trade" with them and look the other way for their benevolent inclusion of specific zones of capitalism which prevents their collapse; exactly opposite of your foolish claims.
I would argue that boycotting China would lead to their eventual and predictable collapse and this would help solve the North Korean problem as well.
You see, Communist regimes cannot exist without Western capitalism to prop them up. Better to let them collapse and die than continue propping them up and empowering them.
Once again I ask; how does ending these sanctions on Cuba help America?
Another brain dead claim; where are Republicans upset about Obama's handshake. This thread was started by a Brit dimwit.
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Nixon is shaking hands with Castro...and that means what?
poet
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Hmmmm, and most of the 9/11 terrorist were from Saudi Arabia and Yemen. In fact, bin Laden is related to the Saudi royal family. Hmmmmm. Sleep with dogs...wake up with fleas. Not to mention Bush's grandfather was in cahoots with Hitler. No ethics or morals.