Obamacare enrollment for 2018 reaches all time high

ThatOwlWoman said:
I guess that butthurt that others are covered by life-saving insurance is too much to bear. Hopefully this tidbit will soothe you: My husband and I are paying out-of-pocket for COBRA insurance; he retired last year. Our premiums are over $1000/month for something we've used twice (for routine checkups, one each) in the last year. So there you go -- our premiums are subsidizing a few others who aren't as fortunate as we are. And that's okay with us.

That's how it works, whether we taxpayers are chipping in for something that benefits all of us (fire and police protection, public schools, etc.) or your fellow co-workers are all chipping in via your paychecks so that everyone at your company has affordable coverage. You *do* have coverage, right? If you do, you can thank all your co-workers for helping you out.
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Apparently the butthurt is coming from those that won't do for themselves. Until you provide the entire coverage for someone that claims they can't afford it, patting yourself on the back like a good little bleeding heart means nothing. If you care, why don't you pay the entire bill for those that say they can't afford coverage? In typical fashion, you use the "less fortunate" bullshit argument. I don't buy into the "I'm glad to do it for them so you should to" nonsense.

That last statement proves you do not understand insurance.

As for you paying $1000/month, quit your fucking whining. Your husband CHOSE to retire so the results of doing so are on you and taking credit as if it means something is invalid.

However you twist it, it's not the taxpayers' responsibility to fund something for someone unwilling to provide it to him/herself. It doesn't become the mandated responsibility of taxpayers to provide for someone else's kids either when the kid's own parents refuse to do it. Same with food, clothing, shelter or anything else the leeches believe someone else should be forced to provide them.
 
yeap


too lazy to study up and find out what works and what doesnt


they just PRETEND they know the answers and scream it at everyone


loud and repeated is not what determines something is a fact.


evidence is what determines something is a fact
 
there is a reason why the right denies

Science


math


history



its because their ideas are not in line with the world FACTS


its why the need their own Doctored media
 
Obama's hometown paper says Obamacare is a failure:


Consumers face staggering price hikes for individual insurance policies. Some types of plans cost an average of 43 percent to 55 percent more. Ditto across the country: states approved rates with cardiac-arrest-inducing premium increases.

Many consumers will find fewer choices because major carriers fled the market. UnitedHealthcare bolted.

So did Aetna. Land of Lincoln Health collapsed mid-year, leaving policy holders to scramble for coverage that could cost them plenty. In many places across the nation, people find drastically fewer choices than they did last year.

The insurers fled because they didn't want to lose more money on a government-run market that is out of whack — a market they think likely will never be profitable for them. That isn't surprising.

Let's look at the failings:

Obamacare failed because it flunked Economics 101 and Human Nature 101.

It straitjacketed insurers into providing overly expensive, soup-to-nuts policies.

It wasn't flexible enough so that people could buy as much coverage as they wanted and could afford — not what the government dictated.

Many healthy people primarily want catastrophic coverage. Obamacare couldn't lure them in, couldn't persuade them to buy on the chance they'd get sick.



http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-obamacare-fail-health-care-insurance-medicine-0911-jm-20160909-story.html
 
CFM said:
Apparently the butthurt is coming from those that won't do for themselves. Until you provide the entire coverage for someone that claims they can't afford it, patting yourself on the back like a good little bleeding heart means nothing. If you care, why don't you pay the entire bill for those that say they can't afford coverage? In typical fashion, you use the "less fortunate" bullshit argument. I don't buy into the "I'm glad to do it for them so you should to" nonsense.
That last statement proves you do not understand insurance.
As for you paying $1000/month, quit your fucking whining. Your husband CHOSE to retire so the results of doing so are on you and taking credit as if it means something is invalid.
However you twist it, it's not the taxpayers' responsibility to fund something for someone unwilling to provide it to him/herself. It doesn't become the mandated responsibility of taxpayers to provide for someone else's kids either when the kid's own parents refuse to do it. Same with food, clothing, shelter or anything else the leeches believe someone else should be forced to provide them.
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Well, I was going to reply to this as though you were an actual rational adult, but as it went on and on and the ranting grew increasingly shrill, I decided that is no point in wasting electrons to try to educate the stupid and willfully ignorant. Suffice it to say that I understand insurance quite well. I am a health care professional who worked the last three years before retirement for -- wait for it -- a large health insurance company. You may have heard of it. It's called Aetna. My husband worked his entire IT career in the health insurance industry. You probably also heard of CIGNA?

That's the problem with these kinds of discussion venues on the Internet. Intelligent people make the mistake of assuming that everyone else is intelligent. Stupid people assume, like you do, that everyone else is equally stupid.

I hope if your house catches fire next week that you won't hesitate to call the local fire department -- that other people paid for.
 
yes but always remember its not just those bots who read our answers to posts.


we all have an audience here that most dont think about when they post


the readers who never post


Hi gentle reader,

we know you are there


they may be a small number of people but who cares how small


its more than one


I post for those people mostly


the few reading


I try to stomp all over the lies to make it easier for readers to get to the core of ideas
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Well, I was going to reply to this as though you were an actual rational adult, but as it went on and on and the ranting grew increasingly shrill, I decided that is no point in wasting electrons to try to educate the stupid and willfully ignorant. Suffice it to say that I understand insurance quite well. I am a health care professional who worked the last three years before retirement for -- wait for it -- a large health insurance company. You may have heard of it. It's called Aetna. My husband worked his entire IT career in the health insurance industry. You probably also heard of CIGNA?

That's the problem with these kinds of discussion venues on the Internet. Intelligent people make the mistake of assuming that everyone else is intelligent. Stupid people assume, like you do, that everyone else is equally stupid.

I hope if your house catches fire next week that you won't hesitate to call the local fire department -- that other people paid for.
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You make the mistake of assuming you're nothing more than a typical bleeding heart Liberal piece of dog shit. You are anything but intelligent if you believe that someone worthless, no good leech that won't do for him/herself what is HIS/HER responsibility without demanding someone else offset their life, you're an idiot.

The problem with these kinds of discussion venues is you get idiots like you that assume because people disagree with your arrogant ass, bitch, that they aren't intelligent. I'm smart enough to know that constantly handing someone that won't do for him/herself isn't going to motivate them to do better in the future. It only enables them to continue being a leech. You haven't figured that out yet.

I hope your house catches fire next week and the fire department is too busy on something else more worthwhile than to be able to come. I hope that you get something very serious health related and it gets you before your insurance can be used.

By the way, unlike the leeches that constantly rely on someone else to support them, I help fund the fire department I would call.
 
katzgar said:
Using the quote button was not an available option for me
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Do you have him on ignore, as I do? If so, and someone quotes the idiot, I sometimes copy the text from the quoted box, paste it in my reply, and then manually wrap it with quote tags adding the posters name by adding =CFM,etc.. It shows up as a quoted post. I had no problem recognizing your quotation, but only because someone already quoted the original post, allowing me to read it.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Well, I was going to reply to this as though you were an actual rational adult, but as it went on and on and the ranting grew increasingly shrill, I decided that is no point in wasting electrons to try to educate the stupid and willfully ignorant. Suffice it to say that I understand insurance quite well. I am a health care professional who worked the last three years before retirement for -- wait for it -- a large health insurance company. You may have heard of it. It's called Aetna. My husband worked his entire IT career in the health insurance industry. You probably also heard of CIGNA?

That's the problem with these kinds of discussion venues on the Internet. Intelligent people make the mistake of assuming that everyone else is intelligent. Stupid people assume, like you do, that everyone else is equally stupid.

I hope if your house catches fire next week that you won't hesitate to call the local fire department -- that other people paid for.
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More often than not, they're either kids who play tough guys on the internet, or they get insurance from an employer. As such, they don't know what health insurance actually costs, so they blather on about things they know nothing about.

I've been in the individual market for about 40 years, so I'm pretty well versed in the differences between what used to be, and what is. Trying to talk to the idiots, when they're either parroting Fox News nonsense, or simply lying about insurance to further the Right Wing agenda....is a waste of time.

Didn't we have these discussions (or worse) in '09?
 
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